Act III Kinda Useless? Progression Breaking.

[D.A.R.K.]

So... I just reached Act III on Brutal, and I noticed that, no one there gives you upgrades, the best upgrade you'll get is a bag, and that's it... Why? Broke completely the progression, it looks like Act III is a pit compared to Act I, Act II, and Act IV.

> Act I you learn basic things, get basic spells, a few transformations, Research Desk that gives you gear upgrade as Armors and Weapons, good thing.

> Act II gives you tier 2 spells, the Study Table to get better Gear, potions and more walls...

> Act III is kinda... Sucks completely. You get a single bag upgrade that doesn't increase your Gear Score, and the LAST BOSS gives you the crafting station to craft the next Weapons. You learn the material required to craft the next Armor tier, but you don't learn Athenaeum on Act III so it's completely useless.

Just to compare... At Act II, you unlock the Study Table before unlocking the crafting material required to craft better Armors, this is good because gives you two options: Go for the material to craft your Armor, or farm the material to craft your Armor (I bought all 32 Thick Leather, by the way), which means you can get a little bit stronger before facing the other bosses.

In Act III you don't have this option... You have nothing, literally, just a bag and the Weapons AFTER beating Act III because you need to kill Act III last V Blood to get it. Why? You basically go through the whole Act III the same way as Act II, what is this? Why to break progression like that?



Edit:
I half-take back what I said because there's an Armor set in Act III, the Dawnthron, that gives you +GS, I thought it was purely cosmetic.

[Jet]

Act 3 gives you the Dawnthorn gearset and the gear-level 20 weapons though...

Here's a big tip for you: Vendors, Chests, and enemies drop the materials you need for crafting. You don't have to rely on beating the bosses to get those Radium Alloys, Pristine Leathers, etc. Just farm the right places such as Gloomrot and the Cursed forest. Loot all the cabinets, etc etc, and BUY the items from the vendors in Silverlight Hills.

If you spend a bit of time doing this you'll be around the same gear level for every boss in act 3. Don't forget Brute blood can also increase your gear level by 1 if that's something you're worried about. I was gear level 67 when I beat Cyril.

[theworld]

Acts do not matter. This is not Diablo 2.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Vox:

Act 3 gives you the Dawnthorn gearset and the gear-level 20 weapons though...

Here's a big tip for you: Vendors, Chests, and enemies drop the materials you need for crafting. You don't have to rely on beating the bosses to get those Radium Alloys, Pristine Leathers, etc. Just farm the right places such as Gloomrot and the Cursed forest. Loot all the cabinets, etc etc, and BUY the items from the vendors in Silverlight Hills.

If you spend a bit of time doing this you'll be around the same gear level for every boss in act 3. Don't forget Brute blood can also increase your gear level by 1 if that's something you're worried about. I was gear level 67 when I beat Cybil.

on brutal all v bloods gain 3 gear levels. this means you often cannot overgear them at all.

the act 3 has less total bosses than act 1 and 2.

the acts arent really... acts to begin with. just progression steps.

the smith and the mech dude are the only really required bosses for this.
you can skip the queen and the engenier by grinding the materials in silverlight.

you need silver ore anyway to make the weapons you unlock from the cursed smith boss. silver ore is only found in silverlight hills to begin with.

and level 65+ you can also fight the baron to unlock the amulet already but it still needs darksilver ingots anyway. the baron is silly easy with pistols and reaper. spam reaper E on him when he is not moveing and pistol the barrels that come for you in a line.

the upgrade table is gloomroot north. you need the new base weapons from the smith anyway to make use of that table. same for the dawn armor set. so even if you got the tier 3 research table you wouldnt be able to make any of the gear without beating smith and mech dude first to begin with.

act 4 is the worst. youre just sitting there grinding shards to get your level 30 weapons. totally stupid design given you can only grind shards once per hour on regular settings. besides that there is no more upgrades in act 4. the final armor set is unlocked so late its not helpful at all for anything anymore and they split it amoung the final 4 bosses for no good reason instead of makeing the final bosses drop level 30 legendarys instead to encourage farming them more than once.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

Originally posted by Vox:

Act 3 gives you the Dawnthorn gearset and the gear-level 20 weapons though...

Here's a big tip for you: Vendors, Chests, and enemies drop the materials you need for crafting. You don't have to rely on beating the bosses to get those Radium Alloys, Pristine Leathers, etc. Just farm the right places such as Gloomrot and the Cursed forest. Loot all the cabinets, etc etc, and BUY the items from the vendors in Silverlight Hills.

If you spend a bit of time doing this you'll be around the same gear level for every boss in act 3. Don't forget Brute blood can also increase your gear level by 1 if that's something you're worried about. I was gear level 67 when I beat Cybil.

on brutal all v bloods gain 3 gear levels. this means you often cannot overgear them at all.

the act 3 has less total bosses than act 1 and 2.

the acts arent really... acts to begin with. just progression steps.

the smith and the mech dude are the only really required bosses for this.
you can skip the queen and the engenier by grinding the materials in silverlight.

you need silver ore anyway to make the weapons you unlock from the cursed smith boss. silver ore is only found in silverlight hills to begin with.

and level 65+ you can also fight the baron to unlock the amulet already but it still needs darksilver ingots anyway. the baron is silly easy with pistols and reaper. spam reaper E on him when he is not moveing and pistol the barrels that come for you in a line.

the upgrade table is gloomroot north. you need the new base weapons from the smith anyway to make use of that table. same for the dawn armor set. so even if you got the tier 3 research table you wouldnt be able to make any of the gear without beating smith and mech dude first to begin with.

act 4 is the worst. youre just sitting there grinding shards to get your level 30 weapons. totally stupid design given you can only grind shards once per hour on regular settings. besides that there is no more upgrades in act 4. the final armor set is unlocked so late its not helpful at all for anything anymore and they split it amoung the final 4 bosses for no good reason instead of makeing the final bosses drop level 30 legendarys instead to encourage farming them more than once.

You can't outgear dracula, you can outgear everyone else.

[Kathrynerius]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

So... I just reached Act III on Brutal, and I noticed that, no one there gives you upgrades, the best upgrade you'll get is a bag, and that's it... Why? Broke completely the progression, it looks like Act III is a pit compared to Act I, Act II, and Act IV.

> Act I you learn basic things, get basic spells, a few transformations, Research Desk that gives you gear upgrade as Armors and Weapons, good thing.

> Act II gives you tier 2 spells, the Study Table to get better Gear, potions and more walls...

> Act III is kinda... Sucks completely. You get a single bag upgrade that doesn't increase your Gear Score, and the LAST BOSS gives you the crafting station to craft the next Weapons. You learn the material required to craft the next Armor tier, but you don't learn Athenaeum on Act III so it's completely useless.

Just to compare... At Act II, you unlock the Study Table before unlocking the crafting material required to craft better Armors, this is good because gives you two options: Go for the material to craft your Armor, or farm the material to craft your Armor (I bought all 32 Thick Leather, by the way), which means you can get a little bit stronger before facing the other bosses.

In Act III you don't have this option... You have nothing, literally, just a bag and the Weapons AFTER beating Act III because you need to kill Act III last V Blood to get it. Why? You basically go through the whole Act III the same way as Act II, what is this? Why to break progression like that?

By the time I unlocked the athenaeum I had so many schematics from just playing thati unlocked all recipes instantly..... I had like 10,000 of them..... For the study phase of research I had to grind out paper and scrolls for a week. The gap between the two is so huge.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by Vox:

Act 3 gives you the Dawnthorn gearset and the gear-level 20 weapons though...

Here's a big tip for you: Vendors, Chests, and enemies drop the materials you need for crafting. You don't have to rely on beating the bosses to get those Radium Alloys, Pristine Leathers, etc. Just farm the right places such as Gloomrot and the Cursed forest. Loot all the cabinets, etc etc, and BUY the items from the vendors in Silverlight Hills.

If you spend a bit of time doing this you'll be around the same gear level for every boss in act 3. Don't forget Brute blood can also increase your gear level by 1 if that's something you're worried about. I was gear level 67 when I beat Cyril.

How? How did you craft better Armor, Jewels, and Weapons if you can only do that AFTER beating up the last Act III Boss? If you beat up the last Act III boss this means you are in Act IV, not in Act III anymore. You also didn't learn the recipes since you can only unlock recipes from the Athenaeum, but this you only unlock at Act IV, so how did you reached GS 67 during Act III?

Edit: By saying "last Act III Boss" I mean Cyril, he's the one that unlocks the Anvil allowing us to craft better Weapons, which is the first gear upgrade in Act III. This, literally, means we only increase our GS at the start of Act IV, so we start Act III the same way we leave Act II, but we leave Act III the same way we start Act III, this means Act III didn't increase our GS at any point.

Right now I'm 61 and I don't see how to increase my GS before beating Cyril, which means I finish Act II at 61, and I'll end Act III at 61.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by theworld:

Acts do not matter. This is not Diablo 2.

Originally posted by アゼム:

Originally posted by theworld:

Acts do not matter. This is not Diablo 2.

This. I don't know why people keep making topics so upset about the acts. Like, just ignore them. It's about the v blood progression. Acts are meaningless

You both missed completely the point. This isn't about the Act itself, it's about GS progression. Acts are there to follow a progression just to tell the player "Hey, you are in the tutorial area.", "Now you are facing stronger foes.", "Now you are facing even stronger foes.", "Hey, you reached the end-game, last push to kill them all." but you don't necessarily needs to follow the boss order, neither need to beat the boss, the thread isn't about the Act itself. You should re-read the thread and think about it a little more.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by Kathrynerius:

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

So... I just reached Act III on Brutal, and I noticed that, no one there gives you upgrades, the best upgrade you'll get is a bag, and that's it... Why? Broke completely the progression, it looks like Act III is a pit compared to Act I, Act II, and Act IV.

> Act I you learn basic things, get basic spells, a few transformations, Research Desk that gives you gear upgrade as Armors and Weapons, good thing.

> Act II gives you tier 2 spells, the Study Table to get better Gear, potions and more walls...

> Act III is kinda... Sucks completely. You get a single bag upgrade that doesn't increase your Gear Score, and the LAST BOSS gives you the crafting station to craft the next Weapons. You learn the material required to craft the next Armor tier, but you don't learn Athenaeum on Act III so it's completely useless.

Just to compare... At Act II, you unlock the Study Table before unlocking the crafting material required to craft better Armors, this is good because gives you two options: Go for the material to craft your Armor, or farm the material to craft your Armor (I bought all 32 Thick Leather, by the way), which means you can get a little bit stronger before facing the other bosses.

In Act III you don't have this option... You have nothing, literally, just a bag and the Weapons AFTER beating Act III because you need to kill Act III last V Blood to get it. Why? You basically go through the whole Act III the same way as Act II, what is this? Why to break progression like that?

By the time I unlocked the athenaeum I had so many schematics from just playing thati unlocked all recipes instantly..... I had like 10,000 of them..... For the study phase of research I had to grind out paper and scrolls for a week. The gap between the two is so huge.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, it seems Act III shouldn't exist or should be part of Act II and Act IV? Or it seems the developers missed content between Act II and Act IV, made Act III without the content, and now we feel like we are missing content when playing Act III.

[Professor Goat]

I'm pretty sure the max level is 62 (with brute blood) until you beat the act 3 boss.. folks clearly were higher levels bc of their teammates..

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by Professor Goat:

I'm pretty sure the max level is 62 (with brute blood) until you beat the act 3 boss.. folks clearly were higher levels bc of their teammates..

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the extra GS from the blood type.

Playing with friends gives you more GS? I didn't know that, I'm playing solo. Anyways, it seems single-player the best you can do is to start Act III at 62 and end Act III at 62, right?

[Professor Goat]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Originally posted by Professor Goat:

I'm pretty sure the max level is 62 (with brute blood) until you beat the act 3 boss.. folks clearly were higher levels bc of their teammates..

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the extra GS from the blood type.

Playing with friends gives you more GS? I didn't know that, I'm playing solo. Anyways, it seems single-player the best you can do is to start Act III at 62 and end Act III at 62, right?

Nah I think people they played with were further than them, allowing them access to act4 gear

[Glyph]

Why do you care so much about the arbitrary grouping of the bosses

[Sharkinbear]

Originally posted by Professor Goat:

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the extra GS from the blood type.

Playing with friends gives you more GS? I didn't know that, I'm playing solo. Anyways, it seems single-player the best you can do is to start Act III at 62 and end Act III at 62, right?

Nah I think people they played with were further than them, allowing them access to act4 gear

I'm playing on a server with friends but I'm further than they are. I just entered act 3 at GS 61. And I don't have the dawnthorn armor lvl 6 set yet. I'm still rocking the upgraded lvl 5 and 2 ancestral blue weapons. So I have to assume the dawnthorn will have me higher than 62.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by Vox:

Act 3 gives you the Dawnthorn gearset

You said it, I didn't understand, and now I do.
I thought Dawnthorn was a cosmetic gear set, not +GS.
I take back everything that I said, you do get more GS during Act III.

[Fumoffu!]

It is criminal that you must so quickly change t2 upgraded armour sets to dawnthorn or bosses will outgear you (set bonuses not that great to be matched with more health and gear lvl). Overall we need more bosses and things in act 3. This place in game looks like the most likely future content expansion.

And I totally disagree about "meaningless" acts: if they are called "acts" and using same pattern twice (1&2), they must be at least consistent progression & content wise in 3&4.