is it me or everyting is hella expensive?

[Green Gnoblin]

to make the anvil is 32 dark silver. That is just the crafting table without counting all the weapons/tools and upgrades that you want to get.

32 dark silver is: (btw 1 dark silver is: 15 silver ore + 1 scourgestone)

For the 32 scourgestones you need:

- 96 glass (same has 1440 quartz)
- 96 gravedust (same has 7200 bones)
- 32 whetstones (same has 32 copper INGOTS and 288 stone dust)

!!!!!AND!!!! 480 silver ore.

This is awful. I am not even counting the time you need to spend to actually craft all this items. The grind for private server (singleplayer) that are only online when you are actually playing (compared to actual servers that are on 24/7) its enormous.

Was this game meant to play with others on public servers where they are online 24/7?

I would be guessing here but I bet that most players are playing CO-OP in a private server or singleplayer.

This is just for one item but many others are also a pain to actually gather. The papers, scrolls and schematics the drop rate and amount its really low that you can clear a whole village looting everything and you only get 10 scrolls. It takes 75 for each research and if you want to craft your own scrolls you need a paper press...

For that you need to research it so that means finding the book (probability of this happening really low or gambling all your scrolls until you get the paper press (again, the probability of getting the item is also really low)

You could spend more than 2000 scrolls before you get the paper press (if you have bad luck, but has the probability of getting the paper press are low so I wouldn't be surprised this actually happening).

Is it just me or this game needs some serous balancing?

[Tolfdir]

480 silver ore is just one trip. The first time, when you are weak, will give you the best memory: sneaking and attacking select enemies as you crawl through the mine. Then you see the secret entrance and say "I will know for next time."

[76561199232607771]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Green Gnoblin:

Is it just me or this game needs some serous balancing?

It is you. An expert can solo speedrun the game to all 3 shards on an official server in 11-12 hours max, and yes, that's including the very slow default crafting rates.

Monastery has complete Scourgestone in its containers, so does Church of the Damned.

Undead in Ancient Villages drop both Scourgestone and Grave Dust.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Green Gnoblin:

You could spend more than 2000 scrolls before you get the paper press

Paper press is there to give you 4-5 tier 1 researches, no serious player plans their game around Paper press. It's just a way to get a bit more gambling for tier1 floors/potions.

Its Scroll/Schematics recipes are too expensive and should be treated as almost useless unless you can loot a lot of Sawdust from PvP raids.

The only real grind is the Schematics grind, paper and scrolls grind is skipped to reach Tier3 gear ASAP because GS is everything in this game and there are only 2 tier 2.5 items that can be better in some circumstances than tier 3: Misty Necklace and General's Soul Reaper.

[76561199232607771]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Green Gnoblin:

I would be guessing here but I bet that most players are playing CO-OP in a private server or singleplayer.

Most private servers have a greater loot modifier as well as faster crafting time. If you're single player you can change that as well.

[Yumeko]

uses grindy settings and proceeds to make a post about it rather than play on more enjoyable settings.

[76561199232607771]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hi im Royeen:

uses grindy settings and proceeds to make a post about it rather than play on more enjoyable settings.

To be fair to OP, on the 1st blind playthrough it's not obvious that the default settings are extremely slow.

[Tolfdir]

Oprindeligt skrevet af SpectralSoul:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hi im Royeen:

uses grindy settings and proceeds to make a post about it rather than play on more enjoyable settings.

To be fair to OP, on the 1st blind playthrough it's not obvious that the default settings are extremely slow.

Also, changing the settings to "less grindy" feels as if we are cheating. At least for me.

[ナオヤ]

1) You don't have to craft all ingredients (you can go farm Scourgestones directly if only for a change of pace). It's also another incentive to raid other players for their resources.

2) If you play on private server (solo or with friends) just change amount of resources gathered/needed and speed up crafting time. For a long time I disliked these crafting survival games (Conan Exiles, V Rising, Valheim in some way) due to their default balance being more tailored to online (especially PvP online). While I don't mind having to go gather resources, I found out I much prefer to make them way less mandatory so I can focus on building stuff.
You can also disable Waygate restrictions so you can teleport with all resources (though with a horse and after a few trips around the area, you should be fine either way).

3) Until devs include native solution and you are playing private, I highly recommend a mod to have missions work offline as well (that, or you could just reduce the amount of time they take - non-mod solution is to increase rewards via server settings for HUGE returns but no often than two or three times a week (depends on how often and long you play).

[Vampira]

I got the book dropped

[Ziegfried]

It's not just you. This game is obviously meant to be played on persistent servers. If you are not playing on persistent servers the minion missions are pointless and it takes a very long time to get all the materials solo or with a small group. This is a grindy game..that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your preferences. Like someone else mentioned you can change the server settings if you are running your own server to make it more palatable.

[Napalm]

Finding 90-100% worker blood will solve all your farming problems.

[Green Gnoblin]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Napalm:

Finding 90-100% worker blood will solve all your farming problems.

well yeah. But first you gotta find one. In the last 20 hours that I have spent I have only seen 2 NPC with 100%. It was before I had the jail.

[Myrkana]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ziegfried:

It's not just you. This game is obviously meant to be played on persistent servers. If you are not playing on persistent servers the minion missions are pointless and it takes a very long time to get all the materials solo or with a small group. This is a grindy game..that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your preferences. Like someone else mentioned you can change the server settings if you are running your own server to make it more palatable.

minion missions can be made doable with a mod. I forget the name but we added it to our game and it made 24 hour missions be done in like 2 hours. You can adjust the amount of time irc.

[fongereD]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Green Gnoblin:

to make the anvil is 32 dark silver. That is just the crafting table without counting all the weapons/tools and upgrades that you want to get.

32 dark silver is: (btw 1 dark silver is: 15 silver ore + 1 scourgestone)

For the 32 scourgestones you need:

- 96 glass (same has 1440 quartz)
- 96 gravedust (same has 7200 bones)
- 32 whetstones (same has 32 copper INGOTS and 288 stone dust)

!!!!!AND!!!! 480 silver ore.

This is awful. I am not even counting the time you need to spend to actually craft all this items. The grind for private server (singleplayer) that are only online when you are actually playing (compared to actual servers that are on 24/7) its enormous.

Was this game meant to play with others on public servers where they are online 24/7?

I would be guessing here but I bet that most players are playing CO-OP in a private server or singleplayer.

This is just for one item but many others are also a pain to actually gather. The papers, scrolls and schematics the drop rate and amount its really low that you can clear a whole village looting everything and you only get 10 scrolls. It takes 75 for each research and if you want to craft your own scrolls you need a paper press...

For that you need to research it so that means finding the book (probability of this happening really low or gambling all your scrolls until you get the paper press (again, the probability of getting the item is also really low)

You could spend more than 2000 scrolls before you get the paper press (if you have bad luck, but has the probability of getting the paper press are low so I wouldn't be surprised this actually happening).

Is it just me or this game needs some serous balancing?

- Whetstones easy to find around the map and will only probably take you one trip out to acquire the enough to craft the remaining ones that you need to get a total of 32.
- Gravedust i agree that there is not always enough bones, but game is built around team play unless you change the settings to grindy and play solo.
- glass is easy to grind with trips and also find quartz.
- Silver ore is one trip as said before from another user. Also there is a cloak that you can craft with 15 silver resistance, if equipping this you can carry anything between 600-660 silver ore before being damaged by the silver.
- There is a graveyard at the northside of the map where you will be able to easily farm between 2-6 scourgestones