Still dont agree on the wiping all the time

[reapincamaro]

i think the game needs to figure out how to update without making everyone lose everything in a wipe. not everyone wants to rebuild every 6 freaking months. i think that should be a major focus going forward, even if its just destroying whats been changed or whatever but hey HAVE to stop making us wipe to the point of starting completely over. i already know hundreds who wont come back until they fix this feature. NO other game does this to people who work so hard to get where they are.

[( ͡° o ͡°)]

Path of exile does that quite regularly

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by ( ͡° o ͡°):

Path of exile does that quite regularly

And thats the reason while mostly only the hardcore PoE fans are the ones that stay with that game from season to season. majority of other players only come back to it once every blue moon when allready multiple seasons have passed and there were large changes and aditions to the content.

And its one of the MAJOR issues right now with PoE2 people DON'T want to redo EVERYTHING to get to the good part.

Soft reset is fine but a hard reset can go and burn in a pit.

[Willow Rivers]

There are other games that wipe frequently and make you start over. This is not the only game.

[Kappa]

They don't have to and they probably won't.
AFAIK it's something they won't be able to change and players can just do one of the following:

1) Keep playing and start over everytime a big update ( once per year ) drops.
2) Keep playing with an old patch/save ( it's something that wasn't possible until, if I got it right ), renouncing to new content and fixes.
3) Drop the game because neither point 1 nor point 2 are appealing.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

There are other games that wipe frequently and make you start over. This is not the only game.

Most of them not all but good 90% of them are PvP focused games that are almost only PvP with little to almost no PvE in them.

in those games PvP is the main focus AND you can start doing that main part of the game veeery fast almost from the start.

Progression is also way faster in those game.
Also majority of them failed and barely can keep any playerbase. outside of the few notable ones.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by Kappa:

They don't have to and they probably won't.
AFAIK it's something they won't be able to change and players can just do one of the following:

1) Keep playing and start over everytime a big update ( once per year ) drops.
2) Keep playing with an old patch/save ( it's something that wasn't possible until, if I got it right ), renouncing to new content and fixes.
3) Drop the game because neither point 1 nor point 2 are appealing.

To be honest there is a setting in the game where you can set up your start gear and resources and everything.

The main issue is one of the most important part of the game the Castle... allot of people build it for days to even weeks to just then get deletet.

Im enjoying the game but personaly im NOT gonna deal with that, i gonna mostly 100% as much of the game i can then when i feel like i saw and did everything im done with the game and not gonna return and redo the whole thing AGAIN just because they added another new zone lol

One of the things Enshrouded does right is they can add and modify and change the whole world and experience without needing the player to restart.

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by Kappa:

They don't have to and they probably won't.
AFAIK it's something they won't be able to change and players can just do one of the following:

1) Keep playing and start over every time a big update ( once per year ) drops.
2) Keep playing with an old patch/save ( it's something that wasn't possible until, if I got it right ), renouncing the new content and fixes.
3) Drop the game because neither point 1 nor point 2 are appealing.

They have left older versions in the betas function for the game so you could go back and play your older saves on those older versions. That's been done for a long while. Factorio is one of the games making the most use of it to have as many versions available as Steam will allow.

[Gyson]

Anyone using the excuse that other games have resets.. that's nice, but what does it have to do with this game?

Our save games being incompatible with V Rising's updates is not part of some "seasonal" mechanic or timed server reset, this is a technical limitation of the game's engine that has left the developer with limited choices on how to address it, and they've opted with the solution that wastes the player's time instead of their own.

Yes, you can always go back and play your old save on an old version of the game, but it is an older version of the game that has less content than what you were probably sold on. I won't fault anyone for not being enthusiastic with that "solution". At best it's a means to finish your existing playthrough before dropping a negative review of the game because the developers couldn't be bothered to plan things out better.

And before anyone gets weirdly defensive about that, bear in mind that during some point in the development process a conversation occurred among decision makers in the team about whether they would develop the game in a way that allowed them to push updates while maintaining compatibility with player saves, and they opted not to do that. That's on them. And then they create blog posts where they're essentially state "yes, these unavoidable resets are a pain, we hate them too, hope you appreciate our bandaid solution, though!". It's ridiculous to defend that.

Absolutely no one would complain if the developers could update this game with new content without breaking existing saves. No one. Nobody is going to be upset if their current save is compatible with content updates. Absolutely no one is going to run to the forums crying "oh noes, what have you done?? Now I have the option of continuing with my current save OR starting a new game? I hate choices! Why would you do this to me! Refunding!". So why make excuses for them? The multi-million dollar company really doesn't need you running defense for them.

[Supreme]

Originally posted by reapincamaro:

i think the game needs to figure out how to update without making everyone lose everything in a wipe. not everyone wants to rebuild every 6 freaking months. i think that should be a major focus going forward, even if its just destroying whats been changed or whatever but hey HAVE to stop making us wipe to the point of starting completely over. i already know hundreds who wont come back until they fix this feature. NO other game does this to people who work so hard to get where they are.

Only way is to find a no wipe server. One i like search for Neverwipe 24/7

[Gyson]

Originally posted by Supreme:

Originally posted by reapincamaro:

i think the game needs to figure out how to update without making everyone lose everything in a wipe. not everyone wants to rebuild every 6 freaking months. i think that should be a major focus going forward, even if its just destroying whats been changed or whatever but hey HAVE to stop making us wipe to the point of starting completely over. i already know hundreds who wont come back until they fix this feature. NO other game does this to people who work so hard to get where they are.

Only way is to find a no wipe server. One i like search for Neverwipe 24/7

He isn't talking about scheduled server resets. He's talking about technical limitations with the game that make game-saves incompatible with the latest version of the game whenever they release a content update.

[<Caeris↝]

The joke is, a hobby coder already found out how to transfer your old castle to the newer version in offline mode and made a mod.

A whole payed team can´t do it. Ask yourself why....

[Raze]

Originally posted by reapincamaro:

i think the game needs to figure out how to update without making everyone lose everything in a wipe. not everyone wants to rebuild every 6 freaking months. i think that should be a major focus going forward, even if its just destroying whats been changed or whatever but hey HAVE to stop making us wipe to the point of starting completely over. i already know hundreds who wont come back until they fix this feature. NO other game does this to people who work so hard to get where they are.

Do you realize how much time 6 months even is? It's a lot longer than you think it is. Are you saying that you are playing this game consistently for 6 months straight?

[Tanyon]

Originally posted by <Caeris↝:

The joke is, a hobby coder already found out how to transfer your old castle to the newer version in offline mode and made a mod.

A whole payed team can´t do it. Ask yourself why.... :pout:

let me guess because you don't think they care? even id SLS literally said "we don't care about your progress" 90% of us would blink once and then just keep playing.. people are making this a way bigger deal than it has to be..

WHAT ARE YOU castle lovers doing? Logging in once a month ans sitting in your throne and admiring your architecture lol?

[Raze]

Originally posted by <Caeris↝:

The joke is, a hobby coder already found out how to transfer your old castle to the newer version in offline mode and made a mod.

A whole payed team can´t do it. Ask yourself why.... :pout:

That's all well and good, but does it work 100% of the time, does it have any kind of problems that are associated with it? Why can't he do it in Online instead of just offline? There are a million considerations that have to be made. If it was easy, the devs would've implemented it.

There are likely issues with making this work that you are not aware of, you know, seeing as how neither you or I are on the Dev team...

[Raze]

Originally posted by Tanyon:

Originally posted by <Caeris↝:

The joke is, a hobby coder already found out how to transfer your old castle to the newer version in offline mode and made a mod.

A whole payed team can´t do it. Ask yourself why.... :pout:

let me guess because you don't think they care? even id SLS literally said "we don't care about your progress" 90% of us would blink once and then just keep playing.. people are making this a way bigger deal than it has to be..

WHAT ARE YOU castle lovers doing? Logging in once a month ans sitting in your throne and admiring your architecture lol?

Pretty much this.