this isnt a supporter pack, its cut content

[M͂͒̀λgi͡caℓ Ήo͓̽ﻇo̴]

they cut all this from the main game to sell to gamers with low iq and use gambling predatory schemes to make u fell like u are missing out. very scummy and if u dont see the problem with this. this is why 90% of games nowadays are trash. cuz u support money schemes instead of art.

https://blog.stunlock.com/v-rising-dlc-reveal/

[Engels78]

Lightor の投稿を引用：

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Then you need to change this "capitalistic world."





If it is just a game why do they need this much fiat money and use malicious practices like cut content?



Then you get few of them. All the same. So changing them if one gets dirty it is not a problem. I was talking just about t-shirts as base layer. Sure you need other clothes but principle there is the same.
I mentioned durability as well.



"But for example in Fortnite people got grieved as "defaults" if they don't play as cut content skin."





This is up to them. But no content should be behind artificial paywall. It would change how they behave. Malicious, sleazy practices wouldn't be rewarded like they are now.

"Then you need to change this "capitalistic world.""

Sure, lemme knock that out this weekend.

"If it is just a game why do they need this much fiat money and use malicious practices like cut content?"

1. They didn't cut content, this content was clearly planned as part of this pack, just like other games that have founders packs or collectors editions.
2. Why? Because it's a business that wants to make money, not a public service that make games for free.

"Then you get few of them. All the same. So changing them if one gets dirty it is not a problem. I was talking just about t-shirts as base layer. Sure you need other clothes but principle there is the same.
I mentioned durability as well."

You've lost the point and have gotten caught up in the analogy.

But this game is NOT free! Cosmetics in f2p are standard, but YOU NEED TO PAY for this game!

[Nake]

Dude just for writing that you have a lot of points to buy in the Steam item store and that is very unfair, I also want prizes from the community!!

[Squaul]

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I can't believe that people keep assuming what others believe and think it's an argument and right.
All along with the typical and cancerous : "duuh it was done before so its guud it shouldn't change".

This is insane.

Never said it shouldn't change or that it being done before makes it ok. That's you assuming and jumping to conclusions. What I'm saying is, this has been done before AND well received by the community. Look at Deep Rock Galactic. They did it, everyone loves it, they love the devs, and they are actually asking for more DLC to further support them.

It doesn't set some dangerous precedence at all, stop making this a bigger issue than it is. If you don't want to buy the DLC then you won't have some fancy cape and some statues, big deal, you still have the same game as everyone else. At the end of the day there is a set of purely cosmetic things that have 0 game play impact that you can buy if you want, but instead people are crying because they want everything for the box price of $20. This game is easily worth more than $20, and if you buy all the DLC it's still less than a standard $60 game. But no, people want more for less because they feel entitled to everything. They could have sold the game for $10 and had a $30 DLC and people would still complain because they ignore the low box price and fixate on DLC cost.

Kinda triggered cause you said it was "loved and praised" tbh x') my bad.

But i can't believe that it is really true, they probably praise and love the game and the great respect that the devs had offered ...
But literally praising, loving a dlc in an early access game that just came out?
That's kinda weird and suspicious.

[Lightor]

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Lightor の投稿を引用：

"Then you need to change this "capitalistic world.""

Sure, lemme knock that out this weekend.

"If it is just a game why do they need this much fiat money and use malicious practices like cut content?"

1. They didn't cut content, this content was clearly planned as part of this pack, just like other games that have founders packs or collectors editions.
2. Why? Because it's a business that wants to make money, not a public service that make games for free.

"Then you get few of them. All the same. So changing them if one gets dirty it is not a problem. I was talking just about t-shirts as base layer. Sure you need other clothes but principle there is the same.
I mentioned durability as well."

You've lost the point and have gotten caught up in the analogy.

But this game is NOT free! Cosmetics in f2p are standard, but YOU NEED TO PAY for this game!

Yes, and there are literally thousands of games that have cosmetics in games with a box price, what's your point?

Paying, in and of itself means nothing. If the game cost $2.99 would you still be mad that there is paid DLC?

[Lightor]

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Lightor の投稿を引用：

Never said it shouldn't change or that it being done before makes it ok. That's you assuming and jumping to conclusions. What I'm saying is, this has been done before AND well received by the community. Look at Deep Rock Galactic. They did it, everyone loves it, they love the devs, and they are actually asking for more DLC to further support them.

It doesn't set some dangerous precedence at all, stop making this a bigger issue than it is. If you don't want to buy the DLC then you won't have some fancy cape and some statues, big deal, you still have the same game as everyone else. At the end of the day there is a set of purely cosmetic things that have 0 game play impact that you can buy if you want, but instead people are crying because they want everything for the box price of $20. This game is easily worth more than $20, and if you buy all the DLC it's still less than a standard $60 game. But no, people want more for less because they feel entitled to everything. They could have sold the game for $10 and had a $30 DLC and people would still complain because they ignore the low box price and fixate on DLC cost.

Kinda triggered cause you said it was "loved and praised" tbh x') my bad.

But i can't believe that it is really true, they probably praise and love the game and the great respect that the devs had offered ...
But literally praising, loving a dlc in an early access game that just came out?
That's kinda weird and suspicious.

No worries, it's the internet, it's hard to convey things via written text sometimes.

I get that it seems sus, but look at DRG and the ratings on the DLC. Specifically the supporter pack that dropped the same time the game dropped in EA. It has an overall score of 98% on the DLC itself, which is higher than the actual game, at 97%. You can do some searches on the forums and such too, people do ask for more ways to support the devs. What I've seen is it's because they have done such a good job with constant, meaty updates and people want to keep that going by supporting them.

[Guirssane]

Cosmetic is p2w Kappa

[Brokenrite]

Lightor の投稿を引用：

Sure, lemme knock that out this weekend.

Like NewWorldNextWeek?

Lightor の投稿を引用：

1. They didn't cut content, this content was clearly planned as part of this pack, just like other games that have founders packs or collectors editions.
2. Why? Because it's a business that wants to make money, not a public service that make games for free.

Timing is enough.

Lightor の投稿を引用：

"Then you get few of them. All the same. So changing them if one gets dirty it is not a problem. I was talking just about t-shirts as base layer. Sure you need other clothes but principle there is the same.
I mentioned durability as well."

You've lost the point and have gotten caught up in the analogy.

I tried once more because, you didn't understand it first time.

[Brokenrite]

Guirssane の投稿を引用：

Cosmetic is p2w Kappa

Can you acquire them with gameplay or you have to pay with fiat currency to remove artificial paywall?

[Lightor]

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Like NewWorldNextWeek?

Wut?

Brokenrite の投稿を引用：

"If it is just a game why do they need this much fiat money and use malicious practices like cut content?"

1. They didn't cut content, this content was clearly planned as part of this pack, just like other games that have founders packs or collectors editions.
2. Why? Because it's a business that wants to make money, not a public service that make games for free.

Timing is enough.

No, no it's not. Unless you think every supporter pack, founders pack, and collectors or deluxe edition is also some scam. And if that's the case, you just don't understand business.

Brokenrite の投稿を引用：

"Then you get few of them. All the same. So changing them if one gets dirty it is not a problem. I was talking just about t-shirts as base layer. Sure you need other clothes but principle there is the same.
I mentioned durability as well."

You've lost the point and have gotten caught up in the analogy.

I tried once more because, you didn't understand it first time.

You didn't try once more, that implies you explained it again. You had a metaphor then I used it and you got really deep into it and lost the point. If you think you didn't then explain to me what layering cloths represent in DLC within the metaphor? You also said "Then you get few of them", so with DLC you should get a few of them? You're just talking in circles there bud.

[Lightor]

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Cosmetic is p2w Kappa

p2w stands for Pay 2 Win. How do cosmetics help you win? Wut.

[KripTed]

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Early Access games should be cancelled. They shouldn’t even exist. It’s nothing but a way for developers to be lazy and release a bare bones game and then use that as an excuse. Same when they mess everything up and release poor updates. I mean if the game was finished and they released DLC, I can somewhat understand but releasing such DLC before a game is even finished makes no sense.

Just shows they’re going to focus more on useless items and add ons than actually fixing and finishing the game. Then the consumer will be stuck in limbo waiting for the game to work as intended or be finished. Then when it never gets finished and dies out, they can use their “Early Access” excuse as a cop out and never have to give consumers their money back. Early Access is literally anti consumer on some level.

I personally think Early Access games should have higher consumer protection laws than fully finished games. I believe Early Access games should be refundable until the game is complete. Then if they don’t finish their job, they don’t get paid.

Or YOU could just stop buying early access games. I'll keep buying the ones I like because I know a lot of the games I love never would have been made without it.
Early access has some risk associated with it, but it's very small and it's out weighed by it's rewards. And with steams return policy as long as you're not an idiot there's almost no risk.

2 hours for Early Access games is not enough time for an unfinished product. You’re basically an alpha/beta tester. The refund policy should be extended specifically for Early Access like I mentioned previously.

I usually don’t buy Early Access games and when I do. I make sure to form an opinion quick since my refund time is precious.

There is a risk, even with the refund policy. You’re taking a risk that the game will be completed. You’re looking at 10 years of limbo, waiting for the game to actually progress with any results. There is no rewards with Early Access. It’s an anti consumer practice and promotes lazy work from game developers.

Honestly, Early Access games should be treated like contract work. Don’t finish the job, you don’t get paid. I’m surprised someone hasn’t sued these companies for such practices yet, especially for the failed ones. Maybe one day.

[Engels78]

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But this game is NOT free! Cosmetics in f2p are standard, but YOU NEED TO PAY for this game!

Yes, and there are literally thousands of games that have cosmetics in games with a box price, what's your point?

Paying, in and of itself means nothing. If the game cost $2.99 would you still be mad that there is paid DLC?

But this game cost 20$! It is not f2p!

If this game costs 2.99$ and cosmetics costs 20$ I would probably be mad too...

If game costs 2.99$ and cosmetics cost 1-2$ I would be OK, but! Also depends when those DLC would be released??? If day 1, I still be mad probably, if like month or 3 later AFTER performance/bug fixes etc... patches, I would be totally OK.

[ShadyYogaInstructor]

M͂͒̀λgi͡caℓ Ήo͓̽ﻇo̴ の投稿を引用：

Lora Grim の投稿を引用：

I'm not giving you the clown emoji. Bait harder.

no bait. hard truth kiddo. could care less about your little steam awards lol:BigClownSmile: sad life over there if u think that actually does anything to anyones emotions...

but either thanks for supporting the downfall of ur favorite hobby

How does it feel to be broke and unable to support a game u like financially?

[Engels78]

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Or YOU could just stop buying early access games. I'll keep buying the ones I like because I know a lot of the games I love never would have been made without it.
Early access has some risk associated with it, but it's very small and it's out weighed by it's rewards. And with steams return policy as long as you're not an idiot there's almost no risk.

2 hours for Early Access games is not enough time for an unfinished product. You’re basically an alpha/beta tester. The refund policy should be extended specifically for Early Access like I mentioned previously.

I usually don’t buy Early Access games and when I do. I make sure to form an opinion quick since my refund time is precious.

There is a risk, even with the refund policy. You’re taking a risk that the game will be completed. You’re looking at 10 years of limbo, waiting for the game to actually progress with any results. There is no rewards with Early Access. It’s an anti consumer practice and promotes lazy work from game developers.

Honestly, Early Access games should be treated like contract work. Don’t finish the job, you don’t get paid. I’m surprised someone hasn’t sued these companies for such practices yet, especially for the failed ones. Maybe one day.

I totally agree with this!!! Gameplay time should be at least double, to 4h and period of test at least also double to 4 weeks better even 8 weeks, and ideally until end of EA! Like with Preorders! You can cancel anytime before release!

[KripTed]

Engels78 の投稿を引用：

KripTed の投稿を引用：

2 hours for Early Access games is not enough time for an unfinished product. You’re basically an alpha/beta tester. The refund policy should be extended specifically for Early Access like I mentioned previously.

I usually don’t buy Early Access games and when I do. I make sure to form an opinion quick since my refund time is precious.

There is a risk, even with the refund policy. You’re taking a risk that the game will be completed. You’re looking at 10 years of limbo, waiting for the game to actually progress with any results. There is no rewards with Early Access. It’s an anti consumer practice and promotes lazy work from game developers.

Honestly, Early Access games should be treated like contract work. Don’t finish the job, you don’t get paid. I’m surprised someone hasn’t sued these companies for such practices yet, especially for the failed ones. Maybe one day.

I totally agree with this!!! Gameplay time should be at least double, to 4h and period of test at least also double to 4 weeks better even 8 weeks, and ideally until end of EA! Like with Preorders! You can cancel anytime before release!

Exactly. Glad someone with a brain gets it.