Bosses seem far too OP

[Mr B.]

I'm sure there's gonna be a load of 'Its easy you suck' type replies, but the bosses suck.

Gear is highest levels, weapons too. Can't beat the bemoth thing. It's bit of a joke.

Had both the potions beforehand, fought during bloodmoon, used crossbow and kept at a distance. But he's got QUARTER life left. Oh, and of course 100% blood level.

It's very frustrating and after spending a lot of time getting all the best gear etc, kinda feels like I just wanna put the game down and not come back to it.

[R131]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TotalLosers:

Just to sump up what you said through :
- you have the best gear
- you have max potions
- you have knowledge on the game to prepare a build/stuff to kill the boss
- this is NOT a skill issue.
- you know the boss pattern
- you tried during full moon

If everything here is true, how come you can't kill it while we can ? This is like perfect condition for any encounter.

Hes a troll man ignore threads like this, if he really suffers neurologically that he cannot learn how to kill these bosses after this much time then he can turn down the difficulty its pretty simple, or tetris is that way>>>>>

[Mr B.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TotalLosers:

Just to sump up what you said through :
- you have the best gear
- you have max potions
- you have knowledge on the game to prepare a build/stuff to kill the boss
- this is NOT a skill issue.
- you know the boss pattern
- you tried during full moon
- good blood level and type

If everything here is true, how come you can't kill it while we can ? This is like perfect condition for any encounter.

Define 'we' and how many that is. You cant understand that concept.

And again, you lied. This is what, the 5th or 6th time you've blatently lied?

I never said I can't - I even said I can given enough goes - but once more, you prove me right in that your lying.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TotalLosers:

I never used any kind of number, i just said "most". And i stand by it. I definitly think most people will kill that boss, which is nothing special by today standart.

Ah, and there's the issue. You 'think' but yet stated as fact and still have nothing to show it's true. You don't even know what 'most' means. By definition, this would be more than half of the people playing - by all means, show me how you know this :D :D

This keeps circling - you keep lying, and failing to provide any sort of proof. You can definately think what you want, but until you show your not a liar, I'm not going to believe you.

Hes a troll man ignore threads like this, if he really suffers neurologically that he cannot learn how to kill these bosses after this much time then he can turn down the difficulty its pretty simple, or tetris is that way>>>>>

Hmmm. So I've only given an opinion, yet been insulted constantly, had lies constantly about what I said, and now you insinuate I've a neurological problem because of an opinion? And do you apply that same logic to everyone else who finds some of the boss fights annoying (note your yet another that is being willfully ignorant, in that I never said I can't beat them). So by what you say, anyone saying the same in this thread has neurological problems?

Whos the troll here then?

[theworld]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr B.:

in that I never said I can't beat them

Oh?

What's this then in the 1st post:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr B.:

Can't beat the bemoth thing.

[Nobbler]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr B.:

It's very frustrating and after spending a lot of time getting all the best gear etc, kinda feels like I just wanna put the game down and not come back to it.

Hey B, don't forget that you can modify the level of V Blood in the game settings.
I know after you create a server, it may seem like you cannot change your settings.
So.. here's a work-around:

In your saved game file (directory below), change the ServerGameSettings file in notepad.
Look for this segment,

"VBloodUnitSettings": [
{
"UnitId": ##########,
"UnitLevel": ##,
"DefaultUnlocked": false

You will have to find the unit ID by creating a new game, and changing the V Blood level at the beginning, then dig that data from the new game file to use in your main game file.

The unit ID can be positive or negative number, depending on which V Blood it is.
The unit ID is ten digits (not including negative sign)
Unit Level is a real, non-zero number

Make the Unit Level lower to make the boss easier, iirc behemoth is level 78? Try making it level 75. You hit lower level enemies harder, and they hit you softer. It might be just enough 'edge' to fix the fight.

I won't deny, I nerf a few V Bloods in EVERY server I play. I find some are just stupid fights, because they spam AoE and zerg spawns, and it comes down to just dumb luck whether you get a good sequence or not. This is bad when it is a V Blood that your progress depends on, so.. why make it suck? Just nerf that V Blood and play the game your way.

I love that the devs have included server settings like this.

Personally, I think V Blood have too many HP. The fights just take a long time, and it is just an annoying disco-dance in flashy-light spam. My opinion? Making things 'more difficult' by adding HP is just dumb.

Thick-skin boss fights like this means that you are performing a precise dance choreography for X time until the HP = 0. If people enjoy precise disco dancing? That's cool. Good on them.

It is one skill of many in life, to precisely click buttons according to impulsive timing. For me, I don't care to 'master' that skill! haha

Luck to you, B. I find the spider boss, the behemoth, and the paladin boss all to be down to a bit of 'luck' if fought at or near level, depending on where and when they use certain abilities. Sometimes, you lose the fight. Sometimes, you get lucky. You only need to beat them once, that's the cool part.

Saved game location (for PC)
C:/
Users/
(open whichever user file name your computer login is)/
AppData/ (might be hidden folder, use file properties to 'show hidden' if you don't see this)
LocalLow/
Stunlock Studios/
V Rising/
Saves/
v1/
(some file name with a hexadecimal value like 12abc-34def-...)/
ServerGameSettings (open with notepad)

[TotalLosers]

It keep getting better lol
https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=22/30/v31w.png
I can say "we".
And you still didnt answer why you can't, while WE can. With less conditions lol
But we all know why you won't answer, and that is hilarious x)

[Horror Muppet]

Yeah I definitely get the feeling that many of the bosses were designed with multiple players in mind and not so much for those who want to play solo.

[Ozius]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Horror Muppet:

Yeah I definitely get the feeling that many of the bosses were designed with multiple players in mind and not so much for those who want to play solo.

I've beaten the majority of the bosses both as a solo player and in a two player clan and have found them all harder to beat as a duo due to the scaling.

Although not that much harder, I did solo them first so had already gained experience before playing as a duo.

[grraf]

Fine lets just entertain for a moment the concept that the BH&Solarus in theyr current state are too hard to handle for a decent chunk of the players...yet it is a given fact that the incoming new content will add a new tier(at minimum) of armor&weaponry so when you show up with 12 gear levels or more then these bosses is there any shred of doubt you will smoke them ?!
Even if you can't ever beat these 2 bosses wtf are you even loosing ?!
BH:20% resource gathering and +50% resistance to garlic&holly(FML what will i do with my life without extra garlic resistance ?! can no longer retire to the farmland in my auld age ) ... and wisp dance the one spell that no build can survive without(oh wait its actually the one spell nobody uses)
Solarus:+50 sun resistance & 10 physical power(well F me sun tanning was my one and only goal as a vampire ) and fallen angel this one is indeed one of the better ultimates to have but its in no way vital or indispensable.

None of them are blocking access to vital new gear nor are they likely to remain an unbeatable challenge after getting better gear...just think about it this way: at some point each of use may have had a boss we couldn't handle at similar gear score to it so what did we do to eventually kill it with ease ?! come back to it with better gear and smoke it... for me in my first run it was Tristan(hes no progression road block(slows it but doesn't halt it)) so i simply returned to nail hes ass when I was 6gear levels higher then him and it was quite easy.

So there isn't any reason/point to do anything about these bosses when future content is going to render them 'obsolete' by default down the line...

Even if assuming that the new content will scale in such a way that part of the community can't handle it you still have the option of not using official servers and make private ones where you can lower the game difficulty as much as you wish and likely find plenty of others that will want join due to them also finding the default settings to be overtuned.

[EthanT]

Bosses are easier solo. They scale up when multiple players are around. Always split up and do it solo if youre struggling as a group. Every boss is defeated using the same strategy. Scholar blood and chaos volley spam. There isnt a single boss this doesnt work on. To beat Behemoth you just have to learn which attacks you can walk dodge and which you need dash for. Once youve learned those timings, you just spam chaos volley over and over for the ez win. Its honestly not any more complicated than that.

[The Time Traveler]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Freebird:

I feel you bro. I opened up a similar thread where I was "whining" about how OP bosses of lvl 70+ are. But the fanboys came to the rescue and told me that I'm wrong.

its cuz 'those guys' turned all the monster stats down to bare min in their private server settings. but wont admit to it.

[grraf]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadow:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Freebird:

I feel you bro. I opened up a similar thread where I was "whining" about how OP bosses of lvl 70+ are. But the fanboys came to the rescue and told me that I'm wrong.

its cuz 'those guys' turned all the monster stats down to bare min in their private server settings. but wont admit to it.

Should that be the case there won't be any vods on youtube showing frailed&x level lower players beating those bosses ?! except those do exist so whoops there goes the validity of that theory...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBErkYSkI_4 <--frailed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtxUYRPzjl8 <--melee only
Want more proof ?! go ahead do a search yourself and find out just how many of them are around...

[R131]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr B.:

everyone else who finds some of the boss fights annoying

I said tetris is that way>>>>>>


This guy is definitely a troll, instead of learning how to play the game and getting better at it he sits in the forums writing walls of text for weeks on end ignoring solutions, ignoring advice and ignoring the fact that most people like a challenging game(this game is not hard)

Find another game if you quote "find it annoying"

[TotalLosers]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Toxic:

Bosses are easier solo. They scale up when multiple players are around. Always split up and do it solo if youre struggling as a group. Every boss is defeated using the same strategy. Scholar blood and chaos volley spam. There isnt a single boss this doesnt work on. To beat Behemoth you just have to learn which attacks you can walk dodge and which you need dash for. Once youve learned those timings, you just spam chaos volley over and over for the ez win. Its honestly not any more complicated than that.

Couldn't agree more, especially considering the size of the behemot cave. I hope they nerf Scholar blood, THIS is op and make every boss a walk in the park...

[TotalLosers]

https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=22/30/ix44.png
Did you beat the Behemot ?
Yes : 306 (91.34%)
No : 29 (8.66%)

[Reeva!]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr B.:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Naomi_chi:

Dw it's normal for him to completely discredit anything that doesn't have multiple screenshots and/or video evidence confirming something that thousands if not millions have done before him.
Very difficult for someone so low on the skill ceiling to accept that people can do certain things that he can't with their eyes closed.
Honestly surprised this thread hasn't died yet, with those foolish requests and blatant discrediting of anyone's ability to perform basic feats in a linear game that tells you what to kill next and even takes you to the target.

There we go again, you totally guessing 'thousands' or even 'millions' have done it, without the slightest bit of evidence.

And you've never seen me play, so you're also guessing at that too.

It's people like you, and the loser guy, that drive people away from giving feedback. Your massive ignorance, berating and general trolling contribute.

Saying I'm ignoring people, when it's literally written there in my own posts the advice I've taken on board from others. Did you miss that, forget or just ignore it to try and make your points more valid?

People like you two are a massive detriment to the forums. I've NEVER said people can't defeat them. I've never said people can't beat them easy. I've never even said *I* can't beat them. I've gone out of the way to make it obvious the issue is it's starting to be frustrating rather than fun.

You might have had a counterpoint if:

I'd said the bosses were too hard to beat.
I'd said the game was unfair
You'd had some solid metrics to back yourself up
You didn't lie through your teeth
You didn't state opinions and total guesswork as fact
You were reasonable in your disagreement.

I ask for evidence because you lie, and put forth BS you don't know. You've both said the many have done it with no problem. You've even gone so far as to give BS numbers plucked from who knows where.

And even if it WAS thousands that have beat the bosses...

That's still very much a minority out the copies sold
That doesn't mean it was a fun/unfrustrating experience.

Lesson for you - if you're reasonable and get the ability at some point to discuss opposing opinions without lying/conjecture, people will be far more inclined to take on trust what you say.

Okay so thousands or millions haven't done it? What's your point with this proof thing? You keep discrediting the obvious because you're so bad at the game you couldn't possibly envision people doing what you could not do. You just suck man, go have a good cry into your pillow and move on, or just try beating Behemoth again ffs.