Most Animal froms are pointless?

[hirsch-hunter]

As a wolf you run faster and jump over stuff and creat shortcutes, best form to have from beginning to end to go around. So unless you are in combat or on horse you walk around in wolf form all the time even in your castle with all the crafting and gathering of stuff you have to do in this game.
As a bat you can fly and get the fastest over the map besides the teleporter of course.
Bear form lets you mine the big chunks of Minerals but only if you still have a weapon equipped. A little dump mechanic but not world ending since you hardly use it anyway.
Frog lets you high jump over water but the walking speed and time to transform makes it less usefull than running around it with the wolf form.
Spiderform lets you burry underground to hide but you could just walk away from the sun to the nearest shadow or cloud using again the wolf form.
Human form is usefull to get the stuff from the merchants in the town that wouldnt trade with vampires and that area is a deathtrap for vampires when you reach that point the fist time.
And last the "hidden" Rat form lets you walk in the blocked area in the silver mine. But that area only has the standard loot in it and nothing else so why bother?
If i missed any features please tell me i would like to know them.

Some thoughts to improve them:
Make it possible to swim or walk over water as a frog. Let us go fishing as frog using his long tongue for more fun and efficency and more fish. Also why do i get random items while fishing instead of fish? The hole point i go out of my way to do that is to get fish for the blood banks.
Remove the dump mechanic for the bear form. My vampire is too weak to punch a big rock with a tool but the big bear is to waek without it? Make a mechanic where we can break shields or armor in bear form maybe?
Rat form could be used to spy around especially in other players castle to some degree not fully maybe?
Wolf is fine the way it is, but maybe give the Howle a short effect that makes us run faster for a short time?
Spider form i would like to se them walk over walls or up and down the stone hills. But that would make them pointless again after you can use the bat form.
Bat form is fine i think, no idea what to add there

[theworld]

Now think about PvP and reflect on the implications of what you've proposed.

[Götterdämmerung]

Bear-form also increases your base HP regeneration outside of combat especially with 100% Brute Blood consumed you glow when regenerating at Max HP in fact, it also reduces duration of debuffs stacks such as Garlic.

But I somewhat agree, outside of PvP certain transformations are redundant in PvE namely the Toad-form. As for your suggestions there is whole can of worms with "balancing" to consider, easier spoken of than implemented live.

The other forms are also good for creative little events i.e. rat, spider for player hunts if you're into setting up events for your online server.

[Xero]

Wolf Form :
Allows you to move faster, jump over fences, small gaps and structures. You also are friends to other wolves as they won't attack you in wolf form.

Fandom Wolf Form :
Wolf Form is a Shapeshifting Power that allows a vampire to travel faster than running, but slower than riding a Horse. While in Wolf Form, Wolves will not attack you. This include Frost Wolves, the Alpha Wolf and Bandit Wolves, however Cursed Wolves and Mutated Wolves will still attack you on sight.

Bat Form :
Is like wolf form but not bound by borders. And you can reach places you normally couldn't before.

Fandom Bat Form :
Turn into a bat and fly high into the air, allowing you to cross impassable terrain. Flying during the day will always subject you to Sun Exposure.

Flying in Bat Form increases your base movement speed to 10.8.

Notes
You can only carry teleportable items (Non-Shards) while in Bat Form.

Bear Form :
Allows you to mine large chunks of minerals and also knock down bandit doors without using explosives. You also will not be attacked in this form around other bears I believe.

Fandom Bear Form :
When in Bear Form your weapon skills are replaced with 2 new abilities:
Smash and Crush. The latter of which can be used to enter Quincey the Bandit King's stronghold and the Iron Cave. Your Ultimate Spell is replaced by a Roar, with no combat usage.

Bear Form also grants resistance to garlic, sunlight, holy and silver. It's especially usefull against garlic as it can also be used to lower the debuff quicker.

Frog Form :
I heard is useful on PVP for jumping wooden walls.

Fandom Frog Form :
Toad Form gives access to the Toad Leap ability. The ability allows a player to jump half a "level" up a ledge, as well as jump over Fences. It is useful for reaching otherwise unreachable regions of the map. Toad Leap has 3 charges and an 8 second cooldown.

Human Form :
Is not only to trade with human NPC's but you will not be attacked by other NPC unless they are powerful. Only the powerful ones will spot you out.

Fandom Human Form :
Human Form is a Shapeshifting Power that allows a vampire to pass unnoticed by humans. Its main use is to trade with Rural Merchants in Dunley Farmlands and City Vendors in Silverlight Hills. Shady Vendors in Farbane Woods do not require Human Form.

Some high level Enemies such as Paladins, Priests and Lightweavers won't be fooled by this disguise and will attack on sight.

Rat Form :
Allows you to crawl in narrow spaces and is actually better than human form when it comes to sneaking among human and other enemies.

Fandom Rat Form :
This small and stealthy form allows you to slink through the night (or day) to avoid combat. Beware however, as some more perceptive V Blood Carriers and enemies in Silverlight will still be able to detect you. It can notably be used to access a secret area in the back of the Silver Mine.

Notes
Taking damage, attacking, using abilities, items, or Emotes will bring you out of Rat Form.
You can still build and access buildings/storage.

Fandom Spider Form :
The burrow ability allows the player to burrow into the ground, avoiding the sun and hiding from enemies. Taking damage breaks the effect. While burrowed, the player can use the ability unburrow to re-emerge at the surface.

Notes
the Burrow ability has 8s cooldown; 1.8s cast time, while the Unburrow ability has 1s cooldown; 1.1s cast time.

Source :
https://vrising.fandom.com/wiki/Abilities#Vampire_Powers

[torqueblue]

Some, yes.
Rat Form I can't really be Bothered to understand why it exist only to reduce the aggro range, but no by alot. I think rat form can be improved by allowing burrows to accessed to hide from enemies and escape hairy chases. I think allowing a Pipe or Vent system to be created in your castle so you can Warp Pipe to the next floor or something would be pretty sweet early on until Teleporters are unlocked.

Bear Form I use from time to time, but with the way non violent creatures and Villagers can trigger combat when you're not engaged with them kinda sucks for healing, the extra resist stats it offers is okay early on when you don't have a any cloaks or Level 2 or three cloaks. The ability to bust up Massive Resources is okay, but mostly by the end of the game the bear form has two uses for me, Massive Resources and Silver Resist for silver mines.

Human form is Use quite a lot for Making Purchases. yes, I buy lots of things: Glass, seeds, potions, reinforced planks, Lots of Pristine Leathers, dust, and silk. So it's a form that's far from useless.

Wolf is pretty much always used. The ability to avoid wolf and bear fights while in that form is pretty nice. Weird how the Mutant wolfs attack you but not the Mutant bears. Double jump and speed, blah blah blah. Wolf from is good.

Spider I barely use but when I need to afk or take care of something, finding a quite spot and going spider and burrow is pretty nifty, seeing as we don't have a pause function. I could just log out, but passing time for merchants to restock, day to turn into night and vice versus is okay with me. Pretty neat to use when in the spider cave so I can just run in to see if there is any golden chest when and if I feel like hunting for them and not be attacked by the spiders.

Bat form is bat form, nothing wrong with it, I would like to have the ability to adjust my flight Height so I'm not so high up in the air and I can see the patrols that respawned to see if any of them came back as a high quality blood type or spot carriages.

Toad form has been useless since early access for me and I've never used it right or much at all. Can't hop up cliffs to access caves, or just ledges really. Can munch on mosquitoes like the cursed toads in the cursed forest. I think having that ability would make eating a quick High quality blood type pretty nice. Seeing as we can summon the bugs via vermin nest it might be nice to have them locked up in a room away form servants and can be used as a one time Blood fill.

[Mercurial]

Wolf form is movement.

Bear form is regen, resistances, large object destruction.

Rat form is reduced aggro PvE; sneak around PvP.

Human form is to purchase in Dunley and Silverlight.

Frog form is useless PvE; base infiltration PvP.

Spider form is AFK Form PvE; ambush form PvP.

Bat form is better movement.

The end.

[hirsch-hunter]

Originally posted by torqueblue:

Some, yes.
Rat Form I can't really be Bothered to understand why it exist only to reduce the aggro range, but no by alot. I think rat form can be improved by allowing burrows to accessed to hide from enemies and escape hairy chases. I think allowing a Pipe or Vent system to be created in your castle so you can Warp Pipe to the next floor or something would be pretty sweet early on until Teleporters are unlocked.

Bear Form I use from time to time, but with the way non violent creatures and Villagers can trigger combat when you're not engaged with them kinda sucks for healing, the extra resist stats it offers is okay early on when you don't have a any cloaks or Level 2 or three cloaks. The ability to bust up Massive Resources is okay, but mostly by the end of the game the bear form has two uses for me, Massive Resources and Silver Resist for silver mines.

Human form is Use quite a lot for Making Purchases. yes, I buy lots of things: Glass, seeds, potions, reinforced planks, Lots of Pristine Leathers, dust, and silk. So it's a form that's far from useless.

Wolf is pretty much always used. The ability to avoid wolf and bear fights while in that form is pretty nice. Weird how the Mutant wolfs attack you but not the Mutant bears. Double jump and speed, blah blah blah. Wolf from is good.

Spider I barely use but when I need to afk or take care of something, finding a quite spot and going spider and burrow is pretty nifty, seeing as we don't have a pause function. I could just log out, but passing time for merchants to restock, day to turn into night and vice versus is okay with me. Pretty neat to use when in the spider cave so I can just run in to see if there is any golden chest when and if I feel like hunting for them and not be attacked by the spiders.

Bat form is bat form, nothing wrong with it, I would like to have the ability to adjust my flight Height so I'm not so high up in the air and I can see the patrols that respawned to see if any of them came back as a high quality blood type or spot carriages.

Toad form has been useless since early access for me and I've never used it right or much at all. Can't hop up cliffs to access caves, or just ledges really. Can munch on mosquitoes like the cursed toads in the cursed forest. I think having that ability would make eating a quick High quality blood type pretty nice. Seeing as we can summon the bugs via vermin nest it might be nice to have them locked up in a room away form servants and can be used as a one time Blood fill.

I used the Human form maybe 3 times to by seeds or a nice cape, all the other stuff i make myself in larger quantity that i dont need to bother saving the money for it.

[Mercurial]

That's great.

Human form is still amazingly useful for people trying to play effectively, buying the weapon/armor/flooring they need.

Human form is still amazingly useful for people trying to play casually, buying seeds for their garden and fish for their prisoners and bottles for their potions and cosmetics to look glam in.

You not using a useful tool doesn't make it useless.

[hirsch-hunter]

Originally posted by Mercurial:

That's great.

Human form is still amazingly useful for people trying to play effectively, buying the weapon/armor/flooring they need.

Human form is still amazingly useful for people trying to play casually, buying seeds for their garden and fish for their prisoners and bottles for their potions and cosmetics to look glam in.

You not using a useful tool doesn't make it useless.

Yeah sorry i just think its way faster producing these things than gather the money from random spawns. it would be diffrent if money making wouldnt come so late in the game.

[Mercurial]

Originally posted by hirsch-hunter:

Originally posted by Mercurial:

That's great.

Human form is still amazingly useful for people trying to play effectively, buying the weapon/armor/flooring they need.

Human form is still amazingly useful for people trying to play casually, buying seeds for their garden and fish for their prisoners and bottles for their potions and cosmetics to look glam in.

You not using a useful tool doesn't make it useless.

Yeah sorry i just think its way faster producing these things than gather the money from random spawns. it would be diffrent if money making wouldnt come so late in the game.

You are free to believe incorrect things all you want. That doesn't make them correct.

In the actual game, farming a million scrolls to unlock everything eventually is the slow method, and it is much faster to get four blueprint pieces of the same armor set and an upgraded weapon blueprint if you use the shop to purchase the pieces you are missing, with the coins you find in chests while looting.

[Xero]

Everyone plays differently and there is no right or wrong way of playing. This isn't a racing game, everyone plays at their own pace. Some like to go from V Blood to V Blood. Some like to loot, purchase or craft their own materials and ingredients. Some like to level up all 16 servants to max them out.

Some spend countless hours on designing and decorating their castle, while others make a shack with essentials. Like in any open world game, some still play the game even though they have completed it. It's OK to have your own opinions and share your thoughts, but in these games, there's no wrong way of playing it. The point of the game is to have fun and or challenge yourself by playing a step above your comfort level.

[Mercurial]

Originally posted by Xero:

Everyone plays differently and there is no right or wrong way of playing. This isn't a racing game, everyone plays at their own pace.

"There's no wrong way to play the game" =/= "There are no wrong ideas to have about the game".

The idea that human form does not have a use because farming *things* is faster than buying what you need is a wrong idea about the game. It is incorrect. It is faster to progress by using the shops.

You, and Hirsch, are not required to play the game in a way that tries to progress quickly. But if Hirsch pretends something does not have a use because they have an incorrect idea about the game, I will correct him. Likewise, if you act like I'm insisting other people play the game a certain way instead of simply correcting misinformation, I will also correct you. I didn't tell anybody how to play the game in this thread.

[Xero]

I wasn't picking sides. I just briefly skimmed through both discussions half way reading anything. My comment was completely unbiased.

[hirsch-hunter]

Originally posted by Mercurial:

Originally posted by hirsch-hunter:

Yeah sorry i just think its way faster producing these things than gather the money from random spawns. it would be diffrent if money making wouldnt come so late in the game.

You are free to believe incorrect things all you want. That doesn't make them correct.

In the actual game, farming a million scrolls to unlock everything eventually is the slow method, and it is much faster to get four blueprint pieces of the same armor set and an upgraded weapon blueprint if you use the shop to purchase the pieces you are missing, with the coins you find in chests while looting.

I just dont like how that works and cant see how it is faster. To get all the stuff i need for anything with 3 diffrent coins that are for most of the game random loot sounds insane to me. its lucky to get the coins, its lucky the merchant has the item you want and if he has it you can only buy a small amount. I dont see why i should do that if i can make most of what they sell in wast amounts myself on the side while i do anything else. They should change it so you can make the 3 diffrent coins yourself step by step and not all late in the game. I mean we can produce copper coins at the time in the game you mostly need gold coins for new unlocks and the fruits for the special blood potion. And i also dont do all that to be as fast or as efficient as possible but more that it is boring. And from my expeience coins dont drop enough to get the stuff i want, wehn i want it, in the ammount i want/need it. And the scroll/paper production is pretty easy since alot of the materials you find or produce on accident.

[Mercurial]

Originally posted by hirsch-hunter:

I just dont like how that works and cant see how it is faster.

1) It doesn't matter if you don't like it. You not liking something doesn't make it incorrect.

2) It doesn't matter if you can't see it. You not seeing something doesn't make it incorrect.

3) And least importantly ... you can't see how walking up to an NPC and clicking Buy is faster than farming 300 scrolls to finally get a weapon blueprint? That's a you problem.

To get all the stuff i need for anything with 3 diffrent coins that are for most of the game random loot sounds insane to me.

Sane things sounding insane to you is also a you problem.

its lucky to get the coins,

No, it isn't. Coins are extremely common loot from chests and containers, and chests and containers are an extremely common place to get resources.

are an its lucky the merchant has the item you want

It's extremely common for the vendors to have a weapon book, and it's extremely common for vendors to have armor books for slots you're missing.

It's possible they won't, but considering it takes one minute to check and many minutes to farm the blueprints, it's an obvious time save.

and if he has it you can only buy a small amount. I dont see why i should do that if i can make most of what they sell in wast amounts myself on the side while i do anything else.

We're talking about book blueprints. Book blueprints are why using vendors is faster than not using vendors.

Everything else they sell, with the possible exception of blood rose seeds and buff potions, is just a nice bonus.

They should change it so —

They should absolutely take any suggestion you personally have for the game out back and put its fetid, rotting husk out of its misery.

[Isaac]

it is unbelievable how some people spread misinformation with tons of confidense and hostility. well, that is the crowd PvP games attract