Do yourselves a favor and avoid Brutal difficulty.

[Discipline Before Dishonor]

Just a warning from a friend, the devs royally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up. Bosses are completely immune to all forms of CC (Even on lower difficulties this is true, but on harder difficulties it's significantly more noticeable). You can't freeze them, slow them, stun them, nor can you interrupt their casts, and they all have new abilities on Brutal difficulty, most of which are either broken by design, or trivial and easy to counter. There is no in between. Basically the new abilities that V Bloods have, which are exclusive to Brutal difficulty, are either completely and utterly unfair and broken, or they're practically useless and completely easy to avoid.

Tristan for example, he has a whirlwind spin where he whirlwinds around with his sword, but here's the catch: Not only does he outspeed you while using it, and not only can you not slow/stun/freeze/interrupt him while casting it, and not only does it last for 10 seconds (yes, 10 seconds), and not only can he eliminate your entire health pool from full by using that single move just once, but I even tried to switch to Wolf Form (+60% speed) to run away from him while he used it, and he was still faster than me, even when I used Wolf Form. Oh, and it has a 20 second cooldown.

So honestly, just protect yourselves from this failed attempt that the devs made at creating a difficulty. Jesus loves you. Have a nice day.

[Bloodsmith The Dragon]

Does this look difficult to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntc9Znvhvg

[Discipline Before Dishonor]

Originally posted by Bloodsmith The Dragon:

Does this look difficult to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntc9Znvhvg

No, it simply looks like you collected all sorts of data online about what the best approach was, and you rode on the coattails of everybody else's discoveries. You unlocked abilities which streamlined this fight specifically, edited out every single failed attempt (of which I'm sure there were a great many), and you leaned on summons to keep him distracted while you pelted him with arrows for two and a half minutes. Try to defeat him with any other strategy, and you'll, unfortunately, prove my point. Congratulations on googling the meta, and subsequently editing out all of your failed attempts at fighting him.

[Suzaku]

Originally posted by Bloodsmith The Dragon:

Does this look difficult to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntc9Znvhvg

Impossible! The attack hit you and you didn't die instantly? Could it be that OP... exaggerated?! Dramatized? Possibly even hyperbolized?

[Suzaku]

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

No, it simply looks like you collected all sorts of data online about what the best approach was, and you rode on the coattails of everybody else's discoveries. You unlocked abilities which streamlined this fight specifically, edited out every single failed attempt (of which I'm sure there were a great many), and you leaned on summons to keep him distracted while you pelted him with arrows for two and a half minutes. Try to defeat him with any other strategy, and you'll, unfortunately, prove my point. Congratulations on googling the meta, and subsequently editing out all of your failed attempts at fighting him.

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

[Discipline Before Dishonor]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Originally posted by Bloodsmith The Dragon:

Does this look difficult to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntc9Znvhvg

Impossible! The attack hit you and you didn't die instantly? Could it be that OP... exaggerated?! Dramatized? Possibly even hyperbolized?

I want you to quote the part in my post where I said I died instantly to it. I had fights against him where I survived his usage of that move multiple times - but, that doesn't mean the move is perfectly balanced, nor acceptable. If I can't outpace it with 60% bonus movement speed in wolf form, then it's simply too fast. We should be able to counter things like that with CC, but alas, we can't. The game is too one dimensional for that, and I'm not the first person to claim that.

[Suzaku]

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Impossible! The attack hit you and you didn't die instantly? Could it be that OP... exaggerated?! Dramatized? Possibly even hyperbolized?

I want you to quote the part in my post where I said I died instantly to it.

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

Tristan for example, he has a whirlwind spin where he whirlwinds around with his sword, ... and not only can he eliminate your entire health pool from full by using that single move just once, ...

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get good

[Discipline Before Dishonor]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

I want you to quote the part in my post where I said I died instantly to it.

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

Tristan for example, he has a whirlwind spin where he whirlwinds around with his sword, ... and not only can he eliminate your entire health pool from full by using that single move just once, ...

This does not say I died instantly, rather what it says is that you can get stuck in the whirlwind and be repeatedly struck until your health pool diminishes, and since he can outpace you even in wolf form when using this whirlwind ability, it becomes requisite that you spam summons and save your dodge for this specific ability, otherwise he's guaranteed to kill you with it. And what I implied, is that if every boss wasn't completely immune to all forms of CC, that perhaps there wouldn't be a meta for this boss fight, and several different strategies could be viable.

[Suzaku]

Sidestep his crossbow shot, overhead slash, and jumping slash with WASD. Counter/barrier his sweeping strike. Walk away from his bomb.

When to use your veil? When he does the spin. Slip right past him and keep walking. He can't catch up in time to deal damage.

Play right and you win without issue. Play poorly and this thread happens.

[Mikoto]

"Discipline Before Dishonor" man people with names like that love to self report don't they

[Mikail]

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

Originally posted by Bloodsmith The Dragon:

Does this look difficult to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntc9Znvhvg

No, it simply looks like you collected all sorts of data online about what the best approach was, and you rode on the coattails of everybody else's discoveries. You unlocked abilities which streamlined this fight specifically, edited out every single failed attempt (of which I'm sure there were a great many), and you leaned on summons to keep him distracted while you pelted him with arrows for two and a half minutes. Try to defeat him with any other strategy, and you'll, unfortunately, prove my point. Congratulations on googling the meta, and subsequently editing out all of your failed attempts at fighting him.

Wow, you are smart, you got it, we have to cheese enemies and not tanking every hit, ty for this research, finally i can start playing.

I just slamming my head on keyboard and im dying, now i know i have to poke them and not tanking them.

[Discipline Before Dishonor]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Sidestep his crossbow shot, overhead slash, and jumping slash with WASD. Counter/barrier his sweeping strike. Walk away from his bomb.

When to use your veil? When he does the spin. Slip right past him and keep walking. He can't catch up in time to deal damage.

Play right and you win without issue. Play poorly and this thread happens.

Google the meta and you win without issue, but believe there's more than one way to skin a rabbit, and you'll lose repeatedly until you google it. That's just the way this game is designed.

[Mikail]

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Sidestep his crossbow shot, overhead slash, and jumping slash with WASD. Counter/barrier his sweeping strike. Walk away from his bomb.

When to use your veil? When he does the spin. Slip right past him and keep walking. He can't catch up in time to deal damage.

Play right and you win without issue. Play poorly and this thread happens.

Google the meta and you win without issue, but believe there's more than one way to skin a rabbit, and you'll lose repeatedly until you google it. That's just the way this game is designed.

You dont need meta, look at yt, there are diff builds and they done it too, only exuses from you because you dying and you blame game, not yourself.

[Discipline Before Dishonor]

Originally posted by Mikail:

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

Google the meta and you win without issue, but believe there's more than one way to skin a rabbit, and you'll lose repeatedly until you google it. That's just the way this game is designed.

You dont need meta, look at yt, there are diff builds and they done it too, only exuses from you because you dying and you blame game, not yourself.

"You don't need meta, look at youtube" so you agree then, that in order to win the fight, you have to study the strategies which others have used to win, because only a very limited set of strategies (probably 1-2) are viable. This is caused by the fact that the devs made all bosses immune to all forms of CC, thus the only thing anyone can do against higher level bosses is summon skeletons, block with the unholy shield, and save their dodge for a specific attack. You could apply this formula to every boss in the entire game, and your chances of beating that boss would be as high as possible, because nothing else can compare to it.

[Mikail]

Originally posted by Discipline Before Dishonor:

Originally posted by Mikail:

You dont need meta, look at yt, there are diff builds and they done it too, only exuses from you because you dying and you blame game, not yourself.

"You don't need meta, look at youtube" so you agree then, that in order to win the fight, you have to study the strategies which others have used to win, because only a very limited subset of strategies (probably 1-2) are viable.

U are rly special, yes go at yt, you got 8 weapons in this game and everybody is playing with diff weapons, its only skill issue on your side, where should you look at how other guys playing? You will see it from picture?

I told you look how other guys playing, you dont need meta, i told you to go at yt and watch, not look for meta.