Dracula... Yeah no.

[Mephistoau]

88 hrs in the game, loved fighting all the bosses and then.... Dracula. Why do games always make the final boss such a ♥♥♥♥ fight? After all the fighting, all the grinding for material and gear.... I just can't be bothered bashing my head against a wall over the last boss. He broke me. And yeah, I'm sure some people love it, I just can't be bothered with the insane difficulty spike, especially after the first born fight.

Anyway, great game, I just can't anymore. For those that stuck it out and killed him... Kudos to you.

[Akadai]

My friends and I made our first attempt at Dracula tonight, and we got pretty wrecked. I figured it would be a hard fight considering there was a patch that nerfed him a bit already, which was sort of a red flag to me. We made a few attempts and failed each time

The Adam fight we managed in one go. It was challenging, but fun. One of us did die right at the end, but we figured out what to do in our first attempt. I wasn't aware people were finding it so difficult, but I can see why it might be

We've been playing since the first early access. Every boss up to Dracula we've beaten in one go this time around (on normal btw). And that's kind of my problem with Dracula. As others have stated, there was no difficulty curve, it really does feel like a wall

In the first early access we kind of hit this wall with the spider boss. It took us quite a few tries to finally beat it. I feel like that's where we currently are with Dracula. We'll change up our game plan, figure out a strategy and probably beat it eventually. But I probably wont be happy with the victory. When a fight becomes so frustrating, I don't feel triumphant when I finally win. I don't go "yay, we beat it." It's more of a "thank god that's over and I never want to do it again" which is not a great feeling. Especially as a final boss to the game

I'm not here to play Dark Souls. It's been a pretty fun casual time, up to the end. I don't mind a challenge, but this was far greater than we expected, and nothing along the way seemed to prepare you for it

[Metaldrone_ZA]

Go watch terribletimmy on youtube it might just give you that lightbulb moment on how to beat him

[Akadai]

Publicado originalmente por Mr_Birb_ZA:

Go watch terribletimmy on youtube it might just give you that lightbulb moment on how to beat him

I mean, that's kind of where I'm at right now. Watching videos of how other people are doing it to get some tips

I guess the unfun aspect of that though, is you're kind of forced to play in a way that maybe you're not used to or to go with a build that you're unfamiliar with. By the time you get to Dracula, you've most likely fallen into a build you really like, and it probably doesn't work for this ONE fight, where it worked with literally everything else

If that's what we have to do to win, then so be it. But I'm not going to be happy about it

[Metaldrone_ZA]

Publicado originalmente por Akadai:

Publicado originalmente por Mr_Birb_ZA:

Go watch terribletimmy on youtube it might just give you that lightbulb moment on how to beat him

I mean, that's kind of where I'm at right now. Watching videos of how other people are doing it to get some tips

I guess the unfun aspect of that though, is you're kind of forced to play in a way that maybe you're not used to or to go with a build that you're unfamiliar with. By the time you get to Dracula, you've most likely fallen into a build you really like, and it probably doesn't work for this ONE fight, where it worked with literally everything else

If that's what we have to do to win, then so be it. But I'm not going to be happy about it

Well that is the nature of the game, you should be changing skills for certain bosses and pvp, some pvp skills dont work in pve and vice verse, same for weapons, all of them work but some work better than other. Some bosses require counters to beat some need more agility movement, others you need to go max damage and nuke them quick. Some will find this fun others wont. In normal mode all spells work on all bosses until adam imo, in brutal you need to adapt and change otherwise you will most likely fail. I was stuck in a mindset as i was using the summoning skills and it made all the bosses trivial until adam in normal mode, once i understood that you cant just summon and stand back with a bow and win things made sense. I have now started with brutal mode after being able to beat normal and all bosses solo, brutal is brutal and very fun learning the bosses and what spells to use against them

[Metaldrone_ZA]

Just dont give up, this game is truly amazing and its scary how quickly time goes by when playing this. I loved every second playing though this game, so much so that i was depressed after finally slapping draculas cheeks, its like finishing a great series and now i dont know what to do with myself. Brutal here i come

[PSA]

Publicado originalmente por Chaos:

Wait, you get pass Adam but complain about Dracula?
Really?

Dracula is actually a fair boss fight, unlike Adam where it's just a cheesefest.

(Playing co op) beat Adam on first try on normal, no deaths. 20+ tries so far on Dracula, been able to at most deal 5% health damage to him. He keeps spawning wolves all the time.

[Sevil]

Publicado originalmente por D`Sparil:

Publicado originalmente por LeftPaw:

For me there are a few really daft things in the game and Drac as being the end boss is one of them. Still a top game though.

I mean, he is THE vampire. Why wouldn't he be the last boss?

eeh i actually kinda disagree with this take. i think the final boss should be a human IE whoever killed dracula. since that fits with games theme of vampires rising up and taking revenge on humans for causing their demise.

[Lywelyn]

Publicado originalmente por Cactus:

I see two actual comments and everyone else just being snarky. Nice to see the community for this game is just as juvenile as all games end up being.

I'm sorry you didnt like the end boss. Sometimes it can be worth while to stick it out until you succeed. But if it's just not for you and you dont want to do that for whatever reason then thats fine to. If a boss isnt fun theres no reason to fight it or play the game further. Its a video game. Spend your time on something you do like, because this doesnt matter for anything, at all.

damn who are you to spread such words of wisdow in this degenerate den lol
kudo, kinda rare to find people that can have a positive though process

[Chaos]

Publicado originalmente por PSA:

(Playing co op) beat Adam on first try on normal, no deaths. 20+ tries so far on Dracula, been able to at most deal 5% health damage to him. He keeps spawning wolves all the time.

Adam and Dracula Co-op scale really different from each other.

Adam is a cakewalk if you are not alone since he doesn't get anything new aside from more HP, while Dracula get so many new mechanics on top of the HP.

But overall, Dracula mechanics is still mostly fair even in co-op, for wolves you simply just have to stick close to him so he doesn't transform into wolf (which summons wolves).
or use your teamwork to burst the wolves right as they spawn, your choice.

But with Adam, if you play alone, you just in for a bad time.

[Galroche]

Publicado originalmente por Evilsod:

Publicado originalmente por PSA:

(Playing co op) beat Adam on first try on normal, no deaths. 20+ tries so far on Dracula, been able to at most deal 5% health damage to him. He keeps spawning wolves all the time.

Adam is obnoxious as hell, especially with his gap closers and the arena lightning beams. Being able to beat him first time, despite not knowing what's coming, and not even dealing 5% damage to Dracula in 20 attempts?
Nah. Nobody is gonna believe you on that one.

adam is annoying solo, but really easy to cheese in co-op. the exact opposite of dracula who is 10X easier in solo.

[Evilsod]

Publicado originalmente por Galroche:

adam is annoying solo, but really easy to cheese in co-op. the exact opposite of dracula who is 10X easier in solo.

Fair, deleted my comment since I was apparently way off the mark. Didn't realise it was such a different thing in coop

[Skyblade799]

Just beat him on Brutal and got 100%. Yeah Dracula is overtuned, both normal and brutal. He's a large difficulty jump compared to the other shard carrying bosses, and I suspect you are far from the only person to stop right at the end. I'm fine with a good bullet hell/dark souls boss, but it's a big leap from the others in normal, and having two extra phases in Brutal makes that jump even larger. Spell swapping is really ideal unfortunately, as those last two phases become a damage race into a needed parry spam.

Another annoying thing is that he is actually is much, much worse co-op then solo. They scale him way too hard for multiple people, where his spastic targeting changes and extra spawns make it much worse then solo where he is very predictable.

All of the other bosses feel pretty well tuned though.

[Akadai]

I might have to try him solo and see how that goes, but my friends probably wont want to solo it. I don't mind that I might have to switch up my skills and try different than my normal tactics. It was just very drastically different from what we had experienced up to that point. I'm certainly not going to give up. I haven't failed enough to do that yet :P

So am I understanding correctly that on normal he only has 2 phases, and on brutal he has 4? I thought maybe it was the same on both, just he was somehow harder on brutal, like more damage and hp or something

[Noop]

I understand the complain on brutal cuz his damage is way too high imo, but on normal? realy? you dont even have to do the hard phase.

[Tychus]

Publicado originalmente por Mephistoau:

88 hrs in the game, loved fighting all the bosses and then.... Dracula. Why do games always make the final boss such a ♥♥♥♥ fight? After all the fighting, all the grinding for material and gear.... I just can't be bothered bashing my head against a wall over the last boss. He broke me. And yeah, I'm sure some people love it, I just can't be bothered with the insane difficulty spike, especially after the first born fight.

Anyway, great game, I just can't anymore. For those that stuck it out and killed him... Kudos to you.

Took me 3 tries to kill Big Daddy Drac. Skill issue.