Was the game nerfed?

[Nexsos]

Hello, quick question, has the game been nerfed? A year ago I had some really big problems against some bosses and I was only playing on normal. In my current run I'm playing on brutal and some bosses feel like they've been nerfed a lot?

[Götterdämmerung]

There was recent patch that nerfed all the V Bloods in particular the last three shard bearers due to mass player complaints, not something I am particularly thrilled with myself considering I beat Brutal solo already prior to the changes.

Generally speaking having played since EA some bosses were increased in difficulty slightly insofar to mechanics at least via Brutal whereas others not so much, prior to the nerf Adam did feel slightly easier than when I last fought him via the Gloomrot branch, he was a bit faster, more agile & erratic now he is much more predictable at least that is how I feel.

[Nexsos]

I notice that Henry Blackbrew or Cyril were much harder a year ago, I was close to having a nervous breakdown and now, 1-2 attempts on Brutal and I kill them easily. It doesn't really feel satisfying right now.

[Leslian Lexter]

Originally posted by Nexsos:

I notice that Henry Blackbrew or Cyril were much harder a year ago, I was close to having a nervous breakdown and now, 1-2 attempts on Brutal and I kill them easily. It doesn't really feel satisfying right now. :winter2019neutralyul:

Its not really a nerf, its because you have access to more stats on gear and passives.

[Götterdämmerung]

Originally posted by Nexsos:

I notice that Henry Blackbrew or Cyril were much harder a year ago, I was close to having a nervous breakdown and now, 1-2 attempts on Brutal and I kill them easily. It doesn't really feel satisfying right now. :winter2019neutralyul:

I noticed the same, Henry Blackbrew's grapple is less frequent now & his pushback wave is less powerful also Voltatia was also much harder, now she barely has a chance to split her form before she dies.

[Morte Wulfe]

Originally posted by Nexsos:

I notice that Henry Blackbrew or Cyril were much harder a year ago, I was close to having a nervous breakdown and now, 1-2 attempts on Brutal and I kill them easily. It doesn't really feel satisfying right now. :winter2019neutralyul:

I think the difficulty was toned down quite a bit at normal, haven't tried brutal yet. Part of me is wondering whether being used to the bosses for the past two years makes it feel easier then it really is? Will say that the blood souls with surrounding mobs (not saying what for spoiler reasons!) can get a tad difficult even with low level bosses, but that is generally if you get unlucky with a patrol wandering by.

[theworld]

Originally posted by Morte Wulfe:

Part of me is wondering whether being used to the bosses for the past two years makes it feel easier then it really is?

No, it is easier. I have videos of my old boss battles, the new ones are shorter with almost the same builds.

[sno0ks]

Yes. It is way easier than EA.

[Chaos]

Yes, for some reason most of the endgame boss are nerfed to hell now.
Even some of the midgame one also got the nerf bats too.

[grraf]

Originally posted by theworld:

Originally posted by Morte Wulfe:

Part of me is wondering whether being used to the bosses for the past two years makes it feel easier then it really is?

No, it is easier. I have videos of my old boss battles, the new ones are shorter with almost the same builds.

Passives got introduced in addition to armor set bonuses so yes it does feel easier then back in the gloomrot update...on top of it all some select bosses got specifically targeted for nerfing like Adam for instance(-5%hp 1st phase and -10%hp 2nd phase with some moves getting slowed down)

Anyways it does feel significantly easier then before especially when taking advantage of all the newly introduced mechanics...

[omega]

Originally posted by Götterdämmerung:

I noticed the same, Henry Blackbrew's grapple is less frequent now & his pushback wave is less powerful also Voltatia was also much harder, now she barely has a chance to split her form before she dies.

Originally posted by Morte Wulfe:

I think the difficulty was toned down quite a bit at normal, haven't tried brutal yet. Part of me is wondering whether being used to the bosses for the past two years makes it feel easier then it really is?

Speaking from my own experience of facing off against Voltatia for the first time this weekend: Yeah, I'm pretty sure experience is a big part of it. She cloned herself when she had at least one third of her hp left and her doubled walls and beams messed me up multiple times.

[Lywelyn]

i believe it still need a massive N, it was a lot more doable in EA, now it looks like only youngs with reflexes of youngster can manage to defeat the end game bosses.

not everyone is a dark souls amateur here

[Götterdämmerung]

Originally posted by Lywelyn:

i believe it still need a massive N, it was a lot more doable in EA, now it looks like only youngs with reflexes of youngster can manage to defeat the end game bosses.

not everyone is a dark souls amateur here

That Ageism is BS.

1. Implying that anyone who is older that is playing this game and "unskilled" is somehow geriatric boxing an entire age demographic into shallow category checkbox is utterly absurd.

As if the nervous system atrophies at age 40 or something, I hear this talking point too often and it is 100% false. PC reaction time has nothing to do with age, all it requires is simple focus & practice, lack practice makes you imprecise - this affects all ages.

Nothing complicated about it. Unless you have chronic eye problems and/or a unique neurological condition it should not be a consequence.

2. Insinuating every skilled player must be a Souls fan or something similar, I am not ashamed to admit I've never played it.

And here I thought strawman arguments were wasted on the .... oh nevermind. this game will run its course whether the devs continue to nerf or not will be on their own terms, but they better make up their minds on who their market demographic is or else this game will be subject to the tug of war of poorly executed decisions.

[grraf]

Originally posted by Götterdämmerung:

Originally posted by Lywelyn:

i believe it still need a massive N, it was a lot more doable in EA, now it looks like only youngs with reflexes of youngster can manage to defeat the end game bosses.

not everyone is a dark souls amateur here

That Ageism is BS.

1. Implying that anyone who is older that is playing this game and "unskilled" is somehow geriatric boxing an entire age demographic into shallow category checkbox is utterly absurd.

As if the nervous system atrophies at age 40 or something, I hear this talking point too often and it is 100% false. PC reaction time has nothing to do with age, all it requires is simple focus & practice, lack practice makes you imprecise - this affects all ages.

Nothing complicated about it. Unless you have chronic eye problems and/or a unique neurological condition it should not be a consequence.

2. Insinuating every skilled player must be a Souls fan or something similar, I am not ashamed to admit I've never played it.

And here I thought strawman arguments were wasted on the .... oh nevermind. this game will run its course whether the devs continue to nerf or not will be on their own terms, but they better make up their minds on who their market demographic is or else this game will be subject to the tug of war of poorly executed decisions.

Sorry to say it but you are wrong age will slowly f'up your reflexes&fine motor coordination i've seen this on myself when i was in my teens/early twenties if i saw a fly 'park' on a window curtain i could do a swift downward open palm swipe parallel to the curtain then quickly smack&close my fist on it mid flight catching it(my record was 4 out of 5 in a row) nowadays(i'm close to 40yrs) i'm lucky if i can catch two out of five... so what changed ?! i'm not sick, i have never been stronger than i am atm(my gym numbers keep going up slow&steady) and my flexibility&balance is no worse/better then in my teens, so the only note worthy variable here is in fact age...

There is a reason why boxers/fighters usually retire in theyr 30ties and that is because theyr not as quick as they used to be, even if a metric ton of steroids are used to keep their strength&size&recovery up to snuff there is nothing(that doesn't f' you up badly) that can help you keep your reflexes and speed up to snuff.

Anyways there are exceptions/anomalies to this like smb having a boat load of fast twitch muscle fibers so even with age he retains a degree of speed&reflexes that are well above and beyond most folk but make no mistake that one in hes youth was lightning fast.. M Tyson being such an extreme example most folk could barely see him bob&weave in the ring when he was at his prime and nowadays with copious amount of steroids(uhm the politically correct term being TRT so as to not ruffle any feathers) hes still big&strong enough to compete but hes a far cry from how swiftly he could move back when he was in hes prime, but hes still at a good enough level to entertain the masses and wipe floor with the like of Logan Paul

[theworld]

There is a reason why boxers/fighters usually retire in theyr 30ties and that is because theyr not as quick as they used to be, even if a metric ton of steroids are used to keep their strength&size&recovery up to snuff there is nothing(that doesn't f' you up badly) that can help you keep your reflexes and speed up to snuff.

Boxers/fighters are a terrible example because they take hits to the head, or at least heavily wear out their joints and tendons doing the same types of moves over and over again. Even professional power lifters/bodybuilders retire for the latter reasons, and they don't need THAT much speed/reflexes. I know people who were serious athletes but retired in mid 20s due to injuries. Perhaps not physical disability pension level injuries, but they could no longer (and never will) reach the level needed to compete.

M Tyson

A bad example, the guy was a generational talent in the ring, but led a terrible lifestyle outside of it.

[grraf]

@theworld but do you know why they take hits to the head in the first place ?! because theyr not fast enough to dodge/block them and the more they age the more slow they get so the amount of hits to the head increases... so stop mistaking the consequence for the cause
As for wearing out theyr joints&tendons pretty please give me a break there are countless body builders that still compete in theyr 70's and 80's (granted theyr no longer the freak show attraction they once were but can still keep an impressive amount of muscle compared to an average Joe) and boxing unlike wrestling/mma doesn't have submission locks that can damage the joints not only that they also wear gloves to prevent direct bone to bone impact.

PS just for reference this guy is past 80yrs : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqV_MKNGgS4 <-- notice how hes physique isn't that bad even for a 30yr old(wrinkly skin aside) and he started bb at 15yrs by your sound logic hes joints and tendons should have been ground down to dust by now eh ?!