Adam is over-tuned and needs a nerf

[Dreamstate]

After 30+ attempts, with various weapons, spells, and tactics, I'm giving up on the game for a week or two in the hopes some of this gets nerfed.

Adam (the boss 2nd to last, Dracula) is just way too over-tuned - both in terms of how much damage he can hit you with, and both with how many and how much goes on in with the WoW style raid mechanics (which reminds me of actual raids trying to dodge what is happening in this fight, let alone solo).

I'm sorry, but this guy needs to be taken down a peg. I was expecting this many potential attempts for Dracula - but not this many for a boss that is second to last.

The end-game is the PvP and castle siege - not durability testing our gear.

Other than that, everything else so far is very good and feels balanced - but wow, Adam just has too many mechanics and his damage and HP is just over the top.

Hope something changes.

I play on a PvP server and have no control over any features - it is all vanilla settings as far as I can see.

[theworld]

Originally posted by Dreamstate:

Hope something changes.

He has already been nerfed in a recent patch. I'd be shocked if he ever got nerfed again.

And from the sound of it, you're not even on Brutal.

If you're on Normal this fight is autopilot win with high blood %, all 3 potion buffs, top tier jewels and max gear.

Just spam healing potions every time he doesn't do the usual ground waves.

If you still feel lost, either study him on Youtube, or search for other threads "Adam" in this forum, I've got 2 videos on Brutal.

[Sleepy]

Originally posted by theworld:

Originally posted by Dreamstate:

Hope something changes.

If you're on Normal this fight is autopilot win with high blood %, all 3 potion buffs, top tier jewels and max gear.

This is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The boss is overtuned and the OP is right. Even on "Relaxed" difficulty, the boss is next to impossible solo.

If the boss is intended to be tackled with a group, FINE. Make it known to be so, and take him out of solo mode.

Otherwise, even with maxed/optimized weapon/gear/blood synergies, 100% blood, and full potion buffs (AND ALL PASSIVES UNLOCKED FFS), it is absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ absurd.

And, on top of that....

The guy is complaining about WoW-style boss mechanic-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and you TELL HIM TO STUDY THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BOSS.

I'm not here to study any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss. ♥♥♥♥ off with that ♥♥♥♥.

[Yumeko]

if you really struggle then just use a counter and a barrier, with the relevant weapons such as pistols and slasher etc.

With so many attempts you should have understood how to answer all his attacks to go unpunished but it seems you dont learn much.

Use your spell and weapon options to simply counter the boss and make the fight easy.

[Sleepy]

And even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The fact that this boss demands an optimized kit/build is proof that its overtuned.

If I can't walk into this fight and deal with it as I have _LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE BOSS BEFORE HIM_ --- then something is wrong.

If I have to change my weapons/gear/spells to fight him... something is wrong.

It's a poorly designed, over-tuned boss fight.

[theworld]

Originally posted by Sleepy:

The fact that this boss demands an optimized kit/build is proof that its overtuned.

Not on Normal. And especially not on Relaxed.

I'm confident I can do him with whatever build you name on Relaxed on 1st try, and whatever build you name on Normal within 30 minutes at most.

[GR4V3 MIST4K3]

Originally posted by Sleepy:

And even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The fact that this boss demands an optimized kit/build is proof that its overtuned.

If I can't walk into this fight and deal with it as I have _LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE BOSS BEFORE HIM_ --- then something is wrong.

If I have to change my weapons/gear/spells to fight him... something is wrong.

It's a poorly designed, over-tuned boss fight.

That's the route the Devs took. Following WOW's raid boss design philosophy you need to know the fight *by heart*, before you do the fight yourself. Any deviation from the script results in failure, which makes it a job not fun. That's why you see people on Youtube do bosses frailed and 10 levels lower. It's all about counters, dashes and dancing around the abilities, while applying damage in-between.

[Sleepy]

Originally posted by theworld:

Originally posted by Sleepy:

The fact that this boss demands an optimized kit/build is proof that its overtuned.

Not on Normal. And especially not on Relaxed.

I'm confident I can do him with whatever build you name on Relaxed on 1st try, and whatever build you name on Normal within 30 minutes at most.

Ok, pal. We can't all be korean, or paid playtest/qa personnel.

I like hard games. I have 100% achievements on every single Dark Souls game to come out since they've been on PC.

This boss is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Poorly designed garbage.

[Terminal Desolation]

Originally posted by Sleepy:

Originally posted by theworld:

If you're on Normal this fight is autopilot win with high blood %, all 3 potion buffs, top tier jewels and max gear.

This is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The boss is overtuned and the OP is right. Even on "Relaxed" difficulty, the boss is next to impossible solo.

If the boss is intended to be tackled with a group, FINE. Make it known to be so, and take him out of solo mode.

Otherwise, even with maxed/optimized weapon/gear/blood synergies, 100% blood, and full potion buffs (AND ALL PASSIVES UNLOCKED FFS), it is absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ absurd.

And, on top of that....

The guy is complaining about WoW-style boss mechanic-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and you TELL HIM TO STUDY THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BOSS.

I'm not here to study any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss. ♥♥♥♥ off with that ♥♥♥♥.

OP is not right... my friend and I just cleared him on Brutal first try last night

this is legitimately a skill issue, the boss is doable as-is, you should EXPECT boss difficulty to increase as you progress through a game and the bosses require a more in depth understanding of mechanics and abilities

complaining that you need to be running an "optimized loadout" and that you can't just run the exact same kit you ran for every other boss in the game is very telling... you need to adapt and use a different build, ensure your gear is up to snuff

thinking you should just be able to face-slam a boss without needing to learn its moves or patterns in a game like this is very, VERY telling, and not in a good way... if you've really 100% beaten Dark Souls like you claim this should be one of the most rudimentary things about boss design for you, and yet you act like it's an impossible task so I simply cannot believe that you actually earned those achievements like you claim

[theworld]

Originally posted by Sleepy:

I like hard games. I have 100% achievements on every single Dark Souls game to come out since they've been on PC.

Ah, you're one of those.

Yes, we've had a fair share of people complain really loud in this forum that just because they've beaten Dark Souls they feel either qualified or entitled to be good judges of a game's balance.

But this is a very different game with very different mechanics.

When Michael Jordan switched to baseball I never heard him complain he's not being given wins just because he's a basketball champion.

Yet here you are, using being good at one game to demand changes in a completely different game.

[Zeg]

lol. lmao, even.

[DrLamp]

Originally posted by Sleepy:

Originally posted by theworld:

Not on Normal. And especially not on Relaxed.

I'm confident I can do him with whatever build you name on Relaxed on 1st try, and whatever build you name on Normal within 30 minutes at most.

Ok, pal. We can't all be korean, or paid playtest/qa personnel.

I like hard games. I have 100% achievements on every single Dark Souls game to come out since they've been on PC.

This boss is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Poorly designed garbage.

Well, that was mildly racist.

[Sleepy]

Poorly designed.
Overtuned.

This is bad game dev.

[Mad Engineer Kikoumaru]

I'm still of the opinion that the problem is not Adam himself, the problem is that most bosses before him are too easy and he's the first one that is actually challenging on Normal and a bit of a difficulty spike on Brutal, I think some mid and late game bosses should be buffed to better prepare for Adam and Dracula.