Siege meta in this game is awful

[CountCapacollo]

Tired of it already. Honeycombing and expanding out your bottom base as far as possible is the superior meta.

The same boring corridor fights, over and over.

Just change it already. I want to fight in well decorated, large castles.

Resorting to the same crappy raid proof bases they've been doing for years in rust is the devs just being lazy and not brainstorming a better way to have raid mechanics incorporated into a base building game.

[Beefcakes]

Just imagine if they let you move the heart from the ground floor to the ones above.

[Ryvaku]

How can you blame the devs for meta gamers?

You can't be that delusional to blame devs when PvP players create a meta for PvP'ing.
Make your own PvP server with rules is the only way.

[Ryvaku]

Originally posted by Beefcakes:

Just imagine if they let you move the heart from the ground floor to the ones above.

I can imagine building a sweet gauntlet of stairs, turns and tight corridors to get to the heart. lol

[CountCapacollo]

Originally posted by Ryvaku:

How can you blame the devs for meta gamers?

You can't be that delusional to blame devs when PvP players create a meta for PvP'ing.
Make your own PvP server with rules is the only way.

How can you blame the devs for implementing lazy mechanics in which a meta forms around?

Surely this is a troll.

[SolutionS]

I think raiding and pvp in the game really just becomes who can speed run the pve the fastest. Servers tend to die shortly after a week or so running since one or two clans reach end game and start wiping everyone else in pvp or raiding. Online of offline pvp it doesnt matter if your mid 50's and the raiders are 83-84, Raiding for shards is the only thing that makes sense imo. But the honeycomb meta is prevalent in every survival game. I think raiding is silly altogether in this type of pvevp game

[Yumeko]

The real problem is that the devs dont play pvp.

[BoiledTeaBag]

Well those are the people that take pvp seriously.... if you want decoration then play pve bud.
In pvp people want to keep their stuff as secure as possible, this is why people used double/triple door entrances.

[BoiledTeaBag]

Originally posted by Hi im Royeen:

The real problem is that the devs dont play pvp.

^This

The devs want to make a pvp game but clearly don't know how to execute or balance it.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Hi im Royeen:

The real problem is that the devs dont play pvp.

Very few people actually play PvP.

The data and community surveys 'all' show the large majority of people play solo and/or with small groups on PvE.

Originally posted by HammyBread:

Originally posted by Hi im Royeen:

The real problem is that the devs dont play pvp.

^This

The devs want to make a pvp game but clearly don't know how to execute or balance it.

And on top of that they stubbornly refuse to flesh out the PvE side of the game.

You know, the side of the game where most of the playerbase is.

It's completely baffling.

Originally posted by HammyBread:

Just change it already. I want to fight in well decorated, large castles.

.

That will never happen in a PvP setting.

If you want to fight in large, decorated castles, the devs would need to add PvE castles to raid. Which would actually be really cool.

[R131]

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

Very few people actually play PvP.

The data and community surveys 'all' show the large majority of people play solo and/or with small groups on PvE.

You are probably not wrong, the RNG on jewels and legendaries is absurd and unplayable, im not doing pvp where some streamer with a gold star next to his name gets top RNG luck whilst i sit for 7 days crafting the same thing a hundred times over and still not get it what i am after.

[Mr. Fibble]

A meta will always form regardless of how good or bad mechanics are, this has always been the case although these days its much faster to evolve and be adopted since folk can easily find videos promoting the "optimal" or "best" way to do things rather than having people actually find out for themselves.

The cult of meta is bland and predictable so I'd assume that if you went to a castle built in a specific location on a pvp server its layout would be pretty much identical to a castle in the same place every other pvp server. Should also make finding weaknesses much easier since the cultists don't like to anger their prophets by deviating from the path

Until content creation dies off the cult of meta will be what you meet in every multiplayer game, single player as well but much easier to avoid as you're in control of everything there.

[Pera]

Originally posted by HammyBread:

Well those are the people that take pvp seriously.... if you want decoration then play pve bud.
In pvp people want to keep their stuff as secure as possible, this is why people used double/triple door entrances.

More like 30+ doors, in my pvp base i have the entire territory foundationed with both the 1st and 2nd floor entirely honeycombed.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Jereronimo:

Originally posted by HammyBread:

Well those are the people that take pvp seriously.... if you want decoration then play pve bud.
In pvp people want to keep their stuff as secure as possible, this is why people used double/triple door entrances.

More like 30+ doors, in my pvp base i have the entire territory foundationed with both the 1st and 2nd floor entirely honeycombed.

It's the same in games like Rust, Ark, and Conan.

'Stuff' is the name of the game, and so protecting your 'stuff' is more important than whether a base looks nice. In some ways, protecting your 'stuff' is even more important than whether the base is functional or not. That's just the way it is.

That said, V Rising is unique in that most people are actually playing solo or with friends in PvE, and yet the devs COMPLETELY IGNORE PvE-specific content.