Mandatory Server Wipe Is Bad...

[Medic4Christ]

I understand there is a small subset of individuals who are hardcore, spend days and days in game, and get off on restarting from scratch over and over ad nauseum, but making all official servers a 1 to 3 month mandatory wipe is insane.

The average player won't even make it to max level and have everything done in a month. It's a massive grind getting all the v's (and now they have added more), building your domain, etc. Forcing people to have it all wiped every 1 to 3 months is insane. Why spend all that hard work and free time grinding, when you know that it's all a waste of time, because its all going bye bye in 1-3 months?

Why build a nice looking castle that you work hard on if it's all going to be wiped in a month or so? How many times do you think people are going to grind their ass off over and over again before they get bored and quit? This has totally stolen my desire to even play the game. Talk about catering to a small demographic. You didn't even provide an option. Private servers are not an option. There is a whole host of issues that comes with private servers.

Not to mention what if I start playing in the middle of the month cycle? That means I got 2 weeks before wipe? LOL. Are these people for real? Why even play at this point?

[Ydyp]

Your average joe won't play for 6 months of the same game either. So try to come with a demographic that plays a game for more then 6 months before moving to another and you will find that it is the hardcore subset of individuals you want to exclude from this discussion.

Only your last point is valid one if you ask me, as well as this feature will be seen as negative by those casual players like you and go either for a refund or not buy it. Which in the end will make a large enough dent in newer sales though going by how successful this Early Access release was they probably don't mind anymore.

Oh and I am a casual player and no I don't see any problem with a 6 months wipe. Just like in other survival games when go to the next game after roughly playing for a month or 2 and return after more then 6 months I either create a new character and if I don't my base has fully decayed by then anyway as I don't keep a game installed just to log in once in a while to reset those decay timers.

[Doc Falk]

I totally agree. I really hope they adjust it before release. Maybe they can implement a compromise that at least your character gets transferred so you still keep all unlocked things available and "only" have to rebuild your castle (which would, at least to me, be bad enough).

[Medic4Christ]

Originally posted by Ydyp:

Your average joe won't play for 6 months of the same game either. So try to come with a demographic that plays a game for more then 6 months before moving to another and you will find that it is the hardcore subset of individuals you want to exclude from this discussion.

Only your last point is valid one if you ask me, as well as this feature will be seen as negative by those casual players like you and go either for a refund or not buy it. Which in the end will make a large enough dent in newer sales though going by how successful this Early Access release was they probably don't mind anymore.

Oh and I am a casual player and no I don't see any problem with a 6 months wipe. Just like in other survival games when go to the next game after roughly playing for a month or 2 and return after more then 6 months I either create a new character and if I don't my base has fully decayed by then anyway as I don't keep a game installed just to log in once in a while to reset those decay timers.

Most hardcore gamers take a break after 6 months as well. But, my point remains. A huge part of the game is character development and building. What is my incentive to give my valuable time to the grind this game requires, to only have to repeat it over and over every 1-3 months?

It isn't just your castle which is wiped (which is honestly bad enough). It's EVERYTHING. Your entire character is sent back to go. Every V you have killed. Every tech you have unlocked. All of it. POOF. Total waste of time. Hitting the same tree and rock to get copper weapons over and over is not fun.

Spent hours building a gorgeous fortress? Say goodbye in a month or so. Might as well have thrown all that time out the window. It all amounts to a waste of time and the only person who this change will cater to is the hardcore meta pvper who only plays to win and has an IQ of 12.

It does nothing to combat the griefing of new players which it is aimed at addressing. Because all that crap still happens. The meta pvper will still fast track to 60 and reign supreme for 3 months. Rinse and repeat. It only hurts people who like to play all the game has to offer and get into the game. The only people who will remain after the smoke clears are low life griefers. Everyone else will have moved on to something that doesn't waste their time.

[Lost_Kiwi]

These threads are popping up a lot lately. I notice you are bringing up 1-3 months while another person was bringing up 6 months. I guess this is because you are referring to PvP servers while the other is referring to PvE?

With PvP, I think resets may be an unfortunate reality so that one clan does not dominate a server with this type of game. However with PvE that's a different story.

The maps on PvE servers do need to be unclogged of players who don't log in anymore for sure. Though the natural decay system already starts to take care of that. You may get some ppl who just log in to feed the heart though too.

I feel there are a lot more interactive ways to unclog a map of old players on a PvE server then just wiping the server every 6 months. Things like NPC raids on castles in PvE that you need to defend with your servants etc. If you are not on to do so your castle will get destroyed faster and clear space for new payers.

There could also be a special PvE key like in PvP, where once a castle has been in decay for 24+ hours or so it can be used on the heart to remove it and make space.

PvE wipes hit harder since players can not really dominate a map as hard as they can in PvP and ppl are mostly playing PvE to take their sweet time to go through and really play with the build mechanics to get a nice castle. Imagine a builder in minecraft having their creation they spent months on tweaking just right, suddenly having it go poof. It does not feel good.

I know there will be packs of no lifers claiming the game can be finished in like a week or 2....thus proving the no life comment. Though most of us will not.

[Medic4Christ]

Originally posted by Lost_Kiwi:

These threads are popping up a lot lately. I notice you are bringing up 1-3 months while another person was bringing up 6 months. I guess this is because you are referring to PvP servers while the other is referring to PvE?

With PvP, I think resets may be an unfortunate reality so that one clan does not dominate a server with this type of game. However with PvE that's a different story.

The maps on PvE servers do need to be unclogged of players who don't log in anymore for sure. Though the natural decay system already starts to take care of that. You may get some ppl who just log in to feed the heart though too.

I feel there are a lot more interactive ways to unclog a map of old players on a PvE server then just wiping the server every 6 months. Things like NPC raids on castles in PvE that you need to defend with your servants etc. If you are not on to do so your castle will get destroyed faster and clear space for new payers.

There could also be a special PvE key like in PvP, where once a castle has been in decay for 24+ hours or so it can be used on the heart to remove it and make space.

PvE wipes hit harder since players can not really dominate a map as hard as they can in PvP and ppl are mostly playing PvE to take their sweet time to go through and really play with the build mechanics to get a nice castle. Imagine a builder in minecraft having their creation they spent months on tweaking just right, suddenly having it go poof. It does not feel good.

I know there will be packs of no lifers claiming the game can be finished in like a week or 2....thus proving the no life comment. Though most of us will not.

I play on a pvper server. But even when I am able to dedicate whole days to playing, it is quite a grind to get through all the Vs and get my castle built. Furthermore, why should I spend time decorating and building something I love, if it is going to be wiped in a month or so? Also, the meta pvper is still going to fast track to 60 and dominate servers. Wiping isn't going to change that.

At least when there wasn't wipes, there was power plays and intrigue. I remember way back when the game came out, I started a revolution on the server and rallied the entire server against the ruling clan and stormed their fortress. It was some of the most fun I have had gaming even though our revolt lost. There are other things they can do to curb dominance besides wipes.

[Maltsi]

Originally posted by Medic4Christ:

Most hardcore gamers take a break after 6 months as well.

They play the game until there is nothing to do anymore, in this game you reach that point probably in a week or so. after that, they will wait for the WIPE and then comes back so they can start again. i would say 6 months resets are way too long.

[Lost_Kiwi]

Originally posted by Maltsi:

Originally posted by Medic4Christ:

Most hardcore gamers take a break after 6 months as well.

They play the game until there is nothing to do anymore, in this game you reach that point probably in a week or so. after that, they will wait for the WIPE and then comes back so they can start again. i would say 6 months resets are way too long.

This is a lie. If you play 5+ hours a day...maybe you can finish in a week and thats base line finish as in took out all the V Bloods. "most" ppl in the honest term of MOST will not be done in a week.

[Brokenrite]

You will own nothing and will pretend you are happy...

If they wipe out your bank account like SLS just did with in game resources. They would get penalized for fraud. But here such fraud(developer threat early access game as full release) is approved.

[Maltsi]

Originally posted by Lost_Kiwi:

Originally posted by Maltsi:

They play the game until there is nothing to do anymore, in this game you reach that point probably in a week or so. after that, they will wait for the WIPE and then comes back so they can start again. i would say 6 months resets are way too long.

This is a lie. If you play 5+ hours a day...maybe you can finish in a week and thats base line finish as in took out all the V Bloods. "most" ppl in the honest term of MOST will not be done in a week.

they were talking about hardcore player base, which plays the game 8-16h a day.

[James Cougar Mellonballer]

Originally posted by Brokenrite:

You will own nothing and will pretend you are happy...

If they wipe out your bank account like SLS just did with the game. They would get penalized for fraud. But here such fraud(early access game threaded as full release) is approved.

wow damn, if this situation were entirely different, then it would be fraud. really opening my eyes here.

[alan0n]

If wipes bother you so much just play a local game or make a dedicated server yourself. For ease of maintenance and to keep the limited real estate free without constant manual supervision they pretty much need periodic wipes.

[Brokenrite]

Originally posted by Ruth Baader Meinhof Ginsberg:

Originally posted by Brokenrite:

You will own nothing and will pretend you are happy...

If they wipe out your bank account like SLS just did with the game. They would get penalized for fraud. But here such fraud(early access game threaded as full release) is approved.

wow damn, if this situation were entirely different, then it would be fraud. really opening my eyes here.

Developer thread this game as full release already. They just pretend it is an early access. Valve is aware of such things but they won't do anything because they get a cut.

People are working full time jobs where they think ways: "how to convince you they are not scamming you but what they are doing is good for you and you are getting off with a deal."