Why do I need merciless copper weapons to mine iron and what's the deal with clive the firestarter?

[bpppg79]

Hey devs,
Why would you require players to have merciless copper weapons, just to mine iron? Especially when you all decided iron would be a required part of crafting recipes! Also, why would you make the clive the fire starter fight have such an annoying mechanic? If you're preferred type of combat is melee, you're basically screwed as the goober likes to hide in the radius of the explosives he sets making hitting him nearly impossible. Using ranged weapons isn't any less annoying either. I found myself having to spend more time focusing on dodging bombs, than attacking

Something needs to balance out, either remove the requirement for merciless copper weapons to mine iron or limit how often that annoying turd clive can drop those large area bombs. Because it's not a fight if players are spending more time dodging than dealing damage

[Rose Brigade]

So.... This jumped off the rails fast.
OP:
The reason Merciless is required to mine iron is because they want you to finish all the progression before moving to Dunley Farms. They're encouraging you to make sure you have gear up to snuff to take on the next area, so they make sure you have at least Merciless tools to get the iron you need after beating Quincey. It's just a progression lock. You don't normally get iron before beating Quincey anyway, since he's the final main boss of the Farbane woods area, and you don't normally get the ability to use iron til you beat him and go to Dunley where iron is abundant. Luckily if you don't have Merciless copper or the motivation to use your Research Desk (trust me I don't blame you), then you can easily get iron from boxes and enemies in the Dunley Farms areas. Just try to avoid the brutes.

Clive on the other hand, I don't find him that annoying. I did when I first fought him, but even with melee he can be a pushover, you just have to know when to dip in for hits, and when to dip out for spells. His patterns are fairly predictable. I'll agree with you that spammy enemies are annoying, Clive isn't the only one. But most early enemies only have like 3-4 different moves anyway that they alternate between. It's just kinda the way they introduce mechanics to people, and in later areas these mechanics get combined into more complex enemies.

To everyone replying this thread:
Can we chill the hell out for 2 seconds? Like I joined this thread late and saw that the OP was talking about a completely different thing than everyone else is jumping them about. There's no need to be hostile or elitist about it. Everyone here was new once and I guarantee all the veterans weren't much different when they started and got screwed off by some of the spammier bosses, or had questions about the progression system. I didn't understand why Iron couldn't be mined by Copper either my first time. Sometimes I still think they'd have been better off just letting us mine it with copper, but I understand the reasons they have by encouraging the progression of the research tech.

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bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

The game's quest line literally tells you to build and interact with a servant coffin, to convert a human into a servant, and then command them from a throne, that being the case how exactly did I jump to any conclusion?

The V-Blood tree tells you that Quincey unlocks Iron and the Smithy. Again, this is you misunderstanding the game and what the main vector of progression is. If you had asked instead of being like "hey devs, this is wrong", I'd have explained, gladly. You did that in your other post, and you'll notice that my tone is vaaaastly different from the one I'm adopting here.

Here, I'll explain: These "quests" are more of a tutorial to gently guide you towards the game mechanics and help you learn them, it's parallel with actual progression, which is beating V-Bloods and unlocking things like being able to process Iron.

The V-Blood tree is the main progression vector, the journal quests are sortof a tutorial that teaches you the game's mechanics that are added as you progress.

Journal is mostly optional past a certain point, you really don't need a throne and servants to play the game.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

Furthermore, at any point in time does the game tell you that you'd need merciless copper weapons, other than when you actually try and fail to mine iron with copper weapons? On top of that just how exactly is one supposed to adapt to fight mechanics they've not seen? I'd have to know what the mechanics will be for any boss fight, to be able to adapt to them and they change from fight to fight.

Games have been teaching me how to play them by failing for 30 years (35 even ?). I learned to jump over pits in Mario by falling into a pit and the game telling me I did something wrong. My age was in the single digit range at that point.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

I'll have you know that I'm the creative type, so no I'm not wasting time playing games. So do yourself a favor and do not act like you know me.

I do know the part of you that you're displaying here, do you think me incapable of coming to my conclusions by combining my experience of the game + what you're displaying here ? Besides, what does being a "creative type" have anything to do with this ? I litterally earn a living doing commissions coding systems and making music for people.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

Terrific but it's not like the game says "hey, you need merciless copper weapons to mine iron" or give any clues at all really other than indicating that stronger weapons are needed. But how is a first time player, supposed to know those stronger weapons would have to be merciless copper weapons? Do you see the mistake in logic you've made? You're assuming that I'd know what class of weapons are in the game and how to obtain them, when the game doesn't tell you squat!

It tells you. Your character says it when you slap an iron vein. You don't need to know that these stronger weapons are merciless copper, you just continue playing the game until you unlock them naturally, progressing on other vectors. Then once you unlock merciless weapon, you go like "hey, I needed a stronger weapon to slap iron veins, I'll go try again".

[Reeva!]

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

Reeva! lähetti viestin:

Is this some low effort trolling that I'm too stupid to see? You don't need iron until you beat Quincy.

If you're transitioning over into iron then yeah, eventually you'd need to pick up Sulphur to make a Smithy to craft your iron weapons/tools, but you would also need materials from Dunley in addition to iron to make most of the stuff.

The game will require basic things like Whetstones in the future, far beyond where you'd normally need them, and that is why servants exist. If you need Whetstones, tell your servants to take a trip to the copper mine so you can craft some. If you gathered more than enough copper, you can completely skip this trip and send them straight into the iron mine.

Also, it's a good reminder to see how far you've come when you require something like sulphur, take a trip to Clide's and smash him against a node with your gigantic augmented weapon like he's made of paper, stand in his bombs like they don't exist and realize the bosses you're currently struggling with are going to become weak like Clide as you progress even further. Very nice reminder.

If you don't like picking up stuff you can't use because you've not progressed far enough yet... is there any game you enjoy? I imagine an MMO would drive you nuts... "Getting special level 80 gear cause I'm great at vidya game but I'm still level 78? What gives?!" You can use it later, just gotta kill the boss that seems to be filtering you.

How do I command my servant without a throne? I've played MMO's before and those usually have a tutorial explaining things, so I've no problem with those. Actually you need it before since the game instructs you to convert a human into a servant and then construct a throne from which to command him/her. I wish the game waited until you had the ability to make iron ingots, you personally may have waited but that's different

Oh if that's the complaint, yeah, hard agree. Idk if I misread something, my apologies if I did, but this definitely got me into unlocking all the Journal entries at level 1, in the server settings. The most annoying part was forcing me to convert a servant and then only after I've done it, it unlocks the Crypt flooring which speeds up the process.

There's never a tutorial on building something like a workshop, a room dedicated to a certain task, that Crypt flooring thing could be a massive step in the right direction if they asked you to build it before the Servant Coffin, give it some purpose rather than just unlocking it.

Disabling the quest mechanic allows me to use resources more freely as I please, without having to go through a hoop first, often at decreased and inconvenient efficiency.

I thought you were complaining about being able to look at iron nodes but not mine it, until you get a merciless copper mace, in which case you still wouldn't be able to use it even if you got it cuz you've not beaten Quincy yet. The boss gating for recipes is understandable, they want you to beat Quincy before transitioning over to gear that can contend with most of the Dunley Farmlands. Not beating Quincy and skipping over to Iron would trivialize the final fight of Farbane Woods, and if Quincy gave you a recipe to craft tools capable of harvesting Iron/Quartz/etc. then it'd be yet another thing to craft, which I don't think is entirely necessary. As for the Throne... I always treated it as a, well, treat, for beating Quincy, easier farming all around if I can power up servants enough, but unlocking the throne way before you reach Iron makes little sense.

I guess the way a lot of people see it is that, the game is letting go of your hand a little bit, and leaving you to your own devices to figure things out, which I would say is rather sudden as it squeezes it so tightly prior to the Throne. I don't mind games not holding my hand as much with tutorials, but the gap between it is a little abrupt.

[bpppg79]

jdtuggey lähetti viestin:

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

The generic it's a you problem bs is quite old you know. How exactly does me having issues with the game, when the devs just like everyone else make mistakes and likely have when developing the game or rather while developing the game mean I can't handle it?

How exactly is me telling you that issue is a "you" issue, that you make mistakes like everyone else a problem ? How exactly is me telling you "You came off as entitled, why not just ask for solutions ?" a problem ?

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

I'm curious because it seems that rather than admitting that yes the devs have made some mistakes, players like you blindly and with bias run to their defense. Imagine if you were suddenly tossed into a situation, where nothing was explained to you and you were just expected to adapt how would you go about it when you'd have no idea what you were to adapt to?

Because your post was made out of misunderstanding mechanics we've understood ourselves a long time ago naturally, without any friction. Majority of players have, actually. So yeah, it makes a lot more sense to us to assume it's a you issue.

When a vast majority of players have cleared Clive without friction, and you're here complaining about him and his mechanics, it's way less of a stretch to assume it's a you problem and you need to adapt.

You're assuming devs made mistakes. From my perspective, you made mistakes and you're unwilling to assume the responsibility. You're also hopelessly unable to be empathetic and put yourself in someone else's shoes. Everyone here who replied to you cleared Clive without friction, and found out how to work with iron without friction. They don't need to be handheld, and if the game would start handholding them, they'd probably feel they have a lesser product on their hands.

Who plays a sandbox game to get handheld ? rofl.

It may be less of a stretch, but it's still a mistake and one that should be quite obvious!
I mean, I've only recently started playing the game and as such I'd naturally have no idea what the mechanics would be regarding the fight with Clive, so expecting me to adapt to something I'd be clueless of is ludicrous!

You can't misunderstand something you've no knowledge of, just like you can't adapt to something you've never experienced before. If you were put into such a position and expect to adapt you'd die, so where do you keep getting this nonsense from?

The fact is it's going to take time for players to adapt to the boss fight mechanics, so just saying adapt, adapt repeatedly isn't going to help. As for wanting to be hand held, how is wanting a game to explain things asking to be hand held? I'm still new to the game and as such there's going to be things about it I will not know, heaven forbid I actually want some info on the game so I can make the best use of my playing time

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Reeva! lähetti viestin:

Oh if that's the complaint, yeah, hard agree. Idk if I misread something, my apologies if I did, but this definitely got me into unlocking all the Journal entries at level 1, in the server settings. The most annoying part was forcing me to convert a servant and then only after I've done it, it unlocks the Crypt flooring which speeds up the process.

I can also agree with that, because I also disable journal on my playthroughs. ;p

Reeva! lähetti viestin:

There's never a tutorial on building something like a workshop, a room dedicated to a certain task, that Crypt flooring thing could be a massive step in the right direction if they asked you to build it before the Servant Coffin, give it some purpose rather than just unlocking it.

Disabling the quest mechanic allows me to use resources more freely as I please, without having to go through a hoop first, often at decreased and inconvenient efficiency.

I agree less on that, much like slapping iron with a weapon not strong enough, the game clues you on it if you look hard enough. There's this tasty -25% square at the top right of the dialog of the stations that tell you exactly what's up.

Reeva! lähetti viestin:

I thought you were complaining about being able to look at iron nodes but not mine it, until you get a merciless copper mace, in which case you still wouldn't be able to use it even if you got it cuz you've not beaten Quincy yet. The boss gating for recipes is understandable, they want you to beat Quincy before transitioning over to gear that can contend with most of the Dunley Farmlands. Not beating Quincy and skipping over to Iron would trivialize the final fight of Farbane Woods, and if Quincy gave you a recipe to craft tools capable of harvesting Iron/Quartz/etc. then it'd be yet another thing to craft, which I don't think is entirely necessary.

This is the main issue I have with OP's complaint, besides the entitlement that OP thinks it's a "mistake from the dev", not simply something he misunderstands.

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bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

It may be less of a stretch, but it's still a mistake and one that should be quite obvious!

That's your opinion, no more or less valid than mine than the error is on your part.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

I mean, I've only recently started playing the game and as such I'd naturally have no idea what the mechanics would be regarding the fight with Clive, so expecting me to adapt to something I'd be clueless of is ludicrous!

That's okay that you've just started playing the game and you're learning. But this also means that you don't know better, you don't know if the devs made a mistake, you don't even understand the game yet.

Adapting just means sitting down and drawing conclusions out of your failures.

"Clive puts down bomb that keeps me from approaching him in melee. How can I deal with that ? Probably by using ranged options." That is what I call adapting.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

You can't misunderstand something you've no knowledge of, just like you can't adapt to something you've never experienced before. If you were put into such a position and expect to adapt you'd die, so where do you keep getting this nonsense from?

Yet I adapted to Clive without anyone telling me I needed to adopt ranged options to clear him. I think you misunderstand my definition of "adapting". If you had no knowledge of clive, you wouldn't have even made this post.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

The fact is it's going to take time for players to adapt to the boss fight mechanics, so just saying adapt, adapt repeatedly isn't going to help. As for wanting to be hand held, how is wanting a game to explain things asking to be hand held? I'm still new to the game and as such there's going to be things about it I will not know, heaven forbid I actually want some info on the game so I can make the best use of my playing time

Well, reinforcing you in the fact that you should bang your head 5 hours against clive trying to beat him with a sword so you feel better about yourself isn't gonna help. Again, I think you misunderstand my definition of adapting.

I'm just asking you to think and come up with your own solutions and try them. This game will ask that a lot of you, and with that in mind, we circle back to this post, which expresses the same thing:

Suzaku lähetti viestin:

Clive is easy, and entirely optional. And I'll tell you this: if you're already this adamant about not adapting to a fight, just uninstall now. You'll never survive an actually difficult opponent.

If you need merciless weapons, you can grab a handful of copper coins and visit one of the shady dealer camps and just buy a recipe.

I think you misunderstand like, most of what's going on with the game and with this thread, and you're adopting your position based on that. Just play the game more man, failing is okay, but when you do, sit down and ask yourself what you did wrong, and what you could do better. If you have questions, ask here without making assumptions and without saying it's the dev's fault, and I'll gladly answer them, or research them, that's also okay.

[ExplorerNMS]

jdtuggey lähetti viestin:

ExplorerNMS lähetti viestin:

Name another game with a system like V Rising

Valheim and Terraria.

Interesting. Two games I own. but haven't played. Both of them were pretty boring.

but, helps make the point anyway ... Build/class is standard gaming ... having to change your build/spells/tactics/style is NOT standard gaming.

Also, I just watched a few Reviews/Beginners guides on V Rising. Of course, none of them mentioned "V Rising is NOT a class based system." OR "V Rising requires you to change your build/spells/tactics/style for Each and every Boss fight."

V Rising

[bpppg79]

jdtuggey lähetti viestin:

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

The game's quest line literally tells you to build and interact with a servant coffin, to convert a human into a servant, and then command them from a throne, that being the case how exactly did I jump to any conclusion?

The V-Blood tree tells you that Quincey unlocks Iron and the Smithy. Again, this is you misunderstanding the game and what the main vector of progression is. If you had asked instead of being like "hey devs, this is wrong", I'd have explained, gladly. You did that in your other post, and you'll notice that my tone is vaaaastly different from the one I'm adopting here.

Here, I'll explain: These "quests" are more of a tutorial to gently guide you towards the game mechanics and help you learn them, it's parallel with actual progression, which is beating V-Bloods and unlocking things like being able to process Iron.

The V-Blood tree is the main progression vector, the journal quests are sortof a tutorial that teaches you the game's mechanics that are added as you progress.

Journal is mostly optional past a certain point, you really don't need a throne and servants to play the game.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

Furthermore, at any point in time does the game tell you that you'd need merciless copper weapons, other than when you actually try and fail to mine iron with copper weapons? On top of that just how exactly is one supposed to adapt to fight mechanics they've not seen? I'd have to know what the mechanics will be for any boss fight, to be able to adapt to them and they change from fight to fight.

Games have been teaching me how to play them by failing for 30 years (35 even ?). I learned to jump over pits in Mario by falling into a pit and the game telling me I did something wrong. My age was in the single digit range at that point.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

I'll have you know that I'm the creative type, so no I'm not wasting time playing games. So do yourself a favor and do not act like you know me.

I do know the part of you that you're displaying here, do you think me incapable of coming to my conclusions by combining my experience of the game + what you're displaying here ? Besides, what does being a "creative type" have anything to do with this ? I litterally earn a living doing commissions coding systems and making music for people.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

Terrific but it's not like the game says "hey, you need merciless copper weapons to mine iron" or give any clues at all really other than indicating that stronger weapons are needed. But how is a first time player, supposed to know those stronger weapons would have to be merciless copper weapons? Do you see the mistake in logic you've made? You're assuming that I'd know what class of weapons are in the game and how to obtain them, when the game doesn't tell you squat!

It tells you. Your character says it when you slap an iron vein. You don't need to know that these stronger weapons are merciless copper, you just continue playing the game until you unlock them naturally, progressing on other vectors. Then once you unlock merciless weapon, you go like "hey, I needed a stronger weapon to slap iron veins, I'll go try again".

Be honest with me, you're trying to troll right now aren't you? I mean, you just contradicted yourself here "You don't need to know that these stronger weapons are merciless copper," and then you say this "Then once you unlock merciless weapon, you go like "hey, I needed a stronger weapon to slap iron veins" Now we both know that merciless copper weapons are the stronger weapons you've mentioned, so you're admitting that I'd need to know that!

[Reeva!]

ExplorerNMS lähetti viestin:

jdtuggey lähetti viestin:

Valheim and Terraria.

Interesting. Two games I own. but haven't played. Both of them were pretty boring.

but, helps make the point anyway ... Build/class is standard gaming ... having to change your build/spells/tactics/style is NOT standard gaming.

Also, I just watched a few Reviews/Beginners guides on V Rising. Of course, none of them mentioned "V Rising is NOT a class based system." OR "V Rising requires you to change your build/spells/tactics/style for Each and every Boss fight."

V Rising

This game does incentivize changing builds a fair amount.

Unholy spells are really good against bosses that rapidly hit you, or that have a lot of mobs that spawn with them, allows you to create your own personal army. If you don't want that, Chaos spells absolutely melt things. Otherwise, Blood spells will keep you alive for longer as you learn and study a boss' moveset, etc.

Are you fighting vegetation like a Mantrap? Use a sword. 25% bonus damage.
Are you fighting a creature like a bear? Use a spear. 25% bonus damage.
Are you fighting an enemy you don't want to get near? Use a crossbow. Range is good.
Are you fighting an undead enemy? Use a reaper. 25% bonus damage.

You don't 'have' to, but if you did, and you got used to the weapons and spells, that's when the fun begins imo. I could burn through this game with only a spear cuz it's my favourite weapon, or a greatsword when I get to it, never swapping. Changing weapons to take advantage of combat modifiers just feels really nice, like I'm making the resources I've gathered work hard for me.

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ExplorerNMS lähetti viestin:

Interesting. Two games I own. but haven't played. Both of them were pretty boring.

Real talk, they're both amazing offerings. You should probably sit down and give them a legit shot.

ExplorerNMS lähetti viestin:

but, helps make the point anyway ... Build/class is standard gaming ... having to change your build/spells/tactics/style is NOT standard gaming.

That is legit untrue. If we're talking solely on the niches where class based gameplay is a main feature, even that is changing rapidly. World of Warcraft asked you to adopt a class per character, FFXIV allows you to play every class on every character, and you're allowed to switch on the fly when you're not doing group content. On a more meta level, all of the classes in FFXIV are more and more geared towards just... dealing damage. Overwatch might classify characters as tanks, healers and DPS, but you can absolutely outperform a DPS with a Tank. There's also the games that don't give you a class, but ask that you make one, Cyberpunk 2077 and Skyrim, for example. You craft your own playstyle, and you adapt. If you went hard one-handed and heavy armor on skyrim, but you realize you need some means to heal, you'll slowly start leveling restoration as well.

ExplorerNMS lähetti viestin:

Also, I just watched a few Reviews/Beginners guides on V Rising. Of course, none of them mentioned "V Rising is NOT a class based system." OR "V Rising requires you to change your build/spells/tactics/style for Each and every Boss fight."

If they don't mention it, then why are you expecting a class based system ? Diablo mention in their marketing that it's a class based system, yeah I'd expect it in that case, rofl. It's not a norm in gaming. Mario doesn't have classes, crash bandicoot doesn't either, doomguy doesn't, rayman doesn't, quake doesn't have classes, leon, jill and claire don't have classes in resident evil, link doesn't have classes in zelda... Do I really need to name more ? rofl.

None of these games ever tell you "this is not a class based system" in their marketing, and they are all huuuuuuuuuugely successful. Like, wtf man, is it really that hard to think a little before making a point ? All of these games will ask you to adapt, like, shotgun will absolutely destroy a random zombie in resident evil, but if you do that, you'll quickly realize down the line that you don't have shotgun ammo to tackle a monster that kinda requires the stopping power of your shotgun.

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bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

Be honest with me, you're trying to troll right now aren't you? I mean, you just contradicted yourself here "You don't need to know that these stronger weapons are merciless copper," and then you say this "Then once you unlock merciless weapon, you go like "hey, I needed a stronger weapon to slap iron veins" Now we both know that merciless copper weapons are the stronger weapons you've mentioned, so you're admitting that I'd need to know that!

No, I am not trying to troll.

This is the experience I had with V Rising and like, every other sandbox game like this. Game tells me I need a stronger weapon, I look at what else I could be doing until I get a stronger weapon. Simple as that. I don't need to know this stronger weapon is merciless copper, I just need to do stuff until I find a stronger weapon outright, or I find the means to make a stronger weapon.

If I legit want to know, and I don't know, I look it up, the only time I've needed to do that with V is to find Pristine Hides, and even then, if I had really wanted to, I could've tried a little harder and found them myself.

[bpppg79]

jdtuggey lähetti viestin:

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

It may be less of a stretch, but it's still a mistake and one that should be quite obvious!

That's your opinion, no more or less valid than mine than the error is on your part.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

I mean, I've only recently started playing the game and as such I'd naturally have no idea what the mechanics would be regarding the fight with Clive, so expecting me to adapt to something I'd be clueless of is ludicrous!

That's okay that you've just started playing the game and you're learning. But this also means that you don't know better, you don't know if the devs made a mistake, you don't even understand the game yet.

Adapting just means sitting down and drawing conclusions out of your failures.

"Clive puts down bomb that keeps me from approaching him in melee. How can I deal with that ? Probably by using ranged options." That is what I call adapting.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

You can't misunderstand something you've no knowledge of, just like you can't adapt to something you've never experienced before. If you were put into such a position and expect to adapt you'd die, so where do you keep getting this nonsense from?

Yet I adapted to Clive without anyone telling me I needed to adopt ranged options to clear him. I think you misunderstand my definition of "adapting". If you had no knowledge of clive, you wouldn't have even made this post.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

The fact is it's going to take time for players to adapt to the boss fight mechanics, so just saying adapt, adapt repeatedly isn't going to help. As for wanting to be hand held, how is wanting a game to explain things asking to be hand held? I'm still new to the game and as such there's going to be things about it I will not know, heaven forbid I actually want some info on the game so I can make the best use of my playing time

Well, reinforcing you in the fact that you should bang your head 5 hours against clive trying to beat him with a sword so you feel better about yourself isn't gonna help. Again, I think you misunderstand my definition of adapting.

I'm just asking you to think and come up with your own solutions and try them. This game will ask that a lot of you, and with that in mind, we circle back to this post, which expresses the same thing:

Suzaku lähetti viestin:

Clive is easy, and entirely optional. And I'll tell you this: if you're already this adamant about not adapting to a fight, just uninstall now. You'll never survive an actually difficult opponent.

If you need merciless weapons, you can grab a handful of copper coins and visit one of the shady dealer camps and just buy a recipe.

I think you misunderstand like, most of what's going on with the game and with this thread, and you're adopting your position based on that. Just play the game more man, failing is okay, but when you do, sit down and ask yourself what you did wrong, and what you could do better. If you have questions, ask here without making assumptions and without saying it's the dev's fault, and I'll gladly answer them, or research them, that's also okay.

Your definition of the word adapting means nothing quite literally and when I said that I meant no disrespect, but it has to be said because the official definition of the word is all that matters. The subjective nature of what you mean by adapting makes your definition unreliable. I can't do that as this isn't that type of game, this isn't Albion online the only things I've control over is how I approach boss fights, what I do, and when I do it. But the tools I use to gather resources like iron for example, has been predetermined so i simply have no choice but to use the class of weapons the devs decided I'd need!

I refuse to believe you don't understand that, so why would you say something like that knowing that? I do know the devs made mistakes because they too are human and no human is infallible. When exactly did I say it's the devs fault? I've said that the game explains nothing and it doesn't, I've also said that the order in which they've you finish quests is backwards and it is, I've even said the devs made mistakes while developing the game and you can bet your behind they have. But I've never once said the difficulty I have while playing the game is their fault. It's because I'm new to the game plain and simple and I'm aware of that

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bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

Your definition of the word adapting means nothing quite literally and when I said that I meant no disrespect, but it has to be said because the official definition of the word is all that matters. The subjective nature of what you mean by adapting makes your definition unreliable. I can't do that as this isn't that type of game, this isn't Albion online the only things I've control over is how I approach boss fights, what I do, and when I do it. But the tools I use to gather resources like iron for example, has been predetermined so i simply have no choice but to use the class of weapons the devs decided I'd need!

*Rubs temple* I haven't told you to adapt to mining iron.
I told you to adapt to fights.
Don't tell me I'm misunderstanding when you're the one so thoroughly misunderstanding me, almost like it's on purpose.

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

I refuse to believe you don't understand that, so why would you say something like that knowing that? I do know the devs made mistakes because they too are human and no human is infallible. When exactly did I say it's the devs fault? I've said that the game explains nothing and it doesn't, I've also said that the order in which they've you finish quests is backwards and it is, I've even said the devs made mistakes while developing the game and you can bet your behind they have. But I've never once said the difficulty I have while playing the game is their fault. It's because I'm new to the game plain and simple and I'm aware of that

You're the one that misunderstands, and you're the one that refuses to accept you're making mistakes, V devs definitely make mistakes, they're patching them. They're just not the mistakes you're describing here.

You're also making mistakes by misrepresenting and deliberately misunderstanding me just to be "right".

You're wrong. Deal with it.

[bpppg79]

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Be honest with me, you're trying to troll right now aren't you? I mean, you just contradicted yourself here "You don't need to know that these stronger weapons are merciless copper," and then you say this "Then once you unlock merciless weapon, you go like "hey, I needed a stronger weapon to slap iron veins" Now we both know that merciless copper weapons are the stronger weapons you've mentioned, so you're admitting that I'd need to know that!

No, I am not trying to troll.

This is the experience I had with V Rising and like, every other sandbox game like this. Game tells me I need a stronger weapon, I look at what else I could be doing until I get a stronger weapon. Simple as that. I don't need to know this stronger weapon is merciless copper, I just need to do stuff until I find a stronger weapon outright, or I find the means to make a stronger weapon.

If I legit want to know, and I don't know, I look it up, the only time I've needed to do that with V is to find Pristine Hides, and even then, if I had really wanted to, I could've tried a little harder and found them myself.

I'll take your word for it, though to be honest that's not something I normally do. You're still missing the point, the game should explain these things so you don't have to look it up! Now I'm not saying it should explain everything like boss fight mechanics as that would make the fights boring, but what tools you'd need to gather resources and how to obtain them should be clearly explained

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bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

I'll take your word for it, though to be honest that's not something I normally do.

Does that mean everyone should play like you do, and every game should be made for you ? wtf man... >.>

bpppg79 lähetti viestin:

You're still missing the point, the game should explain these things so you don't have to look it up! Now I'm not saying it should explain everything like boss fight mechanics as that would make the fights boring, but what tools you'd need to gather resources and how to obtain them should be clearly explained

I'm not, and you don't have to look them up, you just need to do other things until you find a stronger weapon. If you really want to know, then you can look it up.