By the Time Stunlock actually adds any content to Vrising, I'm not sure if players will come back

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

6 months of content drought. That is long, especially for Early Access standards

[Suzaku]

Give the game time to be made.

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Give the game time to be made.

Reread what I said and understand my point.

[Suzaku]

Originally posted by 富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』:

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Give the game time to be made.

Reread what I said and understand my point.

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Originally posted by 富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』:

Reread what I said and understand my point.

Are you going to address the simple point that most if not all Early Access games with a supposed recognised dev would NOT leave their project with a 6 month downtime?

You can pull the "give it time" dismissal if it was 2 months, maybe even 3 months. 6 months looks a whole lot like procrastinating.

[Suzaku]

Heard it all before in countless other titles. Give them time and good updates come out one after another. Rush them and you get yet another broken product that requires the devs to spend months just to make it functional, which hurts the product even more because instead of "they're taking too long", it turns into "everything they make is broken" so people can't even get excited anymore.

Give. The. Game. Time. To. Be. Made.

If you can't do that, then don't buy early access titles anymore. Everyone, including yourself, will thank you.

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Heard it all before in countless other titles. Give them time and good updates come out one after another. Rush them and you get yet another broken product that requires the devs to spend months just to make it functional, which hurts the product even more because instead of "they're taking too long", it turns into "everything they make is broken" so people can't even get excited anymore.

Give. The. Game. Time. To. Be. Made.

If you can't do that, then don't buy early access titles anymore. Everyone, including yourself, will thank you.

Sounds to me like you're uncritically giving the Developers slack and completely dismissing growing concerns as to the silence as "being impatient".

There's supporting developers when they deserve support, and then there's being an apologist.

[Suzaku]

Sure. You have fun with that.

[PKantos]

Originally posted by 富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』:

6 months of content drought. That is long, especially for Early Access standards

yeah thats why i stopped playing. I won't be playing again

[S7R4NGER]

Plenty of gamers still around... but it would be nice to have some updates

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Sure. You have fun with that.

For the first coupla months, yeah. Had this been Month 1 or 2 of release I would have said the same thing you said to people complaining.

Month 3 I didn't complain, Month 4 nothing was added, Month 5, its like they stopped caring.

Looks to me the devs practically drag their feet on any form of content.

And you being disingenuous isn't going to make more people suddenly accept the soon to be 7 month silence, you'll likely just anger more people.

[Suzaku]

I've yet to meet a single person use the term "disingenuous" correctly, and each one that tried knew exactly nothing about which they were talking about.

Early Access development cycle is about testing the current content, and then using that feedback/data for the next update to be dropped at an undetermined later date. The next update is scheduled for Q1 2023. There's nothing to be said or done except wait. Some of you don't seem to get that.

[Rassle]

True. Usually all DLC/ new content prepared before the launch, but here still no any huge updates (doesn't matter early access or not, that's only the words), so I think it's mean that the game was finished and we'll not see any changes. And the marketing campaign is also finished, so no new players. Stunlock always creates a cool unique games, but all of them is always abandoned in a few years. I remember when I played Bloodline Champions, that was insane, but same way.

The last chance is New Year, but I don't belive that will be something huge except the new skins. The game really looks like a finished, not early access or something. And new content is not about Stunlock. They working on the new game 100%

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

I've yet to meet a single person use the term "disingenuous" correctly, and each one that tried knew exactly nothing about which they were talking about.

Early Access development cycle is about testing the current content, and then using that feedback/data for the next update to be dropped at an undetermined later date. The next update is scheduled for Q1 2023. There's nothing to be said or done except wait. Some of you don't seem to get that.

Not my problem you feel that way. I'm am calling you disingenuous for trying to lecture me and probably everyone who has the same opinion as me, to be patient with a PAID product where the developer promises commitment to developing its content and providing updates as reasonably expected of an Early Access...

DESPITE said product not having even a single content drop for six months and going into seven. Again, no Early Access game with recognised game devs from my experience, has a content drought for 6+ months.

What you are doing can be analogised to telling someone waiting for food in a restaurant for 2 over hours, to "not complain and be patient, the kitched just needs an extra 2-3 hours for your food to come out". THAT is why I called you disingenuous.

The Devs saying "maybe we'll have an update in Q1 2023" is noncommittal, and is a growing indicator that they are procrastinating. Something that people who PAID to support them, have the right to notice and complain about.

You are demanding a growing segment of the playerbase to stop complaining because we supported the devs for 6 months of nothing new despite the devs' claims it is a "work in progress"., too bad that's not how it works.

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

Originally posted by Rassle:

True. Usually all DLC/ new content prepared before the launch, but here still no any huge updates (doesn't matter early access or not, that's only the words), so I think it's mean that the game was finished and we'll not see any changes. And the marketing campaign is also finished, so no new players. Stunlock always creates a cool unique games, but all of them is always abandoned in a few years. I remember when I played Bloodline Champions, that was insane, but same way.

The last chance is New Year, but I don't belive that will be something huge except the new skins. The game really looks like a finished, not early access or something. And new content is not about Stunlock. They working on the new game 100%

That will be a right shame if its true, I supported the devs by buying their Founder pack.

[Suzaku]

To start, Early Access games are sold as-is. You get what you're sold, and anything beyond that is icing. Many expect to get more, and usually the devs lay out plans, or at least mention their ideas, for further content, of which there often is still no concrete timeframe given.

Originally posted by 富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』:

What you are doing can be analogised to telling someone waiting for food in a restaurant for 2 over hours, to "not complain and be patient". THAT is why I called you disingenuous.

Rather than a meal in 2 hours, it's more like paying for a construction project and expecting it to be done in 2 months. You might feel like it's taking forever, but such a timeframe would be completely unreasonable. Similar with game design. You know the vast majority of games take several years to make, right? So when the devs show up with a fair chunk and say the next big one could be 6-12 months away, or even more, then that's simply how it is.

Using your meal analogy, if you can't be patient for your meal, then you should've made it yourself, or bought one that was finished. Stop buying Early Access games if you're not patient or mature enough to do so.

Oh, and you're still not using disingenuous properly.