Paper press seems pointless

[Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats]

So i made a beeline for the curse weaver witch boss, thinking "ah schematic recipe will help me open all the late game stuff"

......then i realised its 18 silver ore, 3 spectral dust and 6 scrolls.

Well, the scrolls werent exactly hard to get lol, but 3 spectral dust? that's 90 ghost crystal for each schematic?

So 100 schematics is 9000 ghost crystals......wtf? and thats not even beginning on the silver ore i also need.

Esp in Brighthaven i find schematics all over the place.......so why the massively heavy recipe?

[morrokain10587]

Yeah paper press is borderline useless. Its much easier to farm whatever you need. Even with library flooring the cost of mats is too high to make it worth it.

[Bomoo]

It totally is pointless, and with it the library flooring. By the time you can make paper, you don't need paper unless you've somehow skipped the entire first tier of tech. At best it's a way to burn all that sawdust you've got taking up storage space I guess.

[R131]

If it were 6 sawdust per paper with library flooring it might be worth it.

[Bomoo]

Originally posted by Silence:

If it were 6 sawdust per paper with library flooring it might be worth it.

At least it looks nice.

[John]

Originally posted by Silence:

If it were 6 sawdust per paper with library flooring it might be worth it.

Still not, with 9 you would need 242.000 logs to make enough sawdust to make 100 schematics. I mean jesus christ, they didn't think this one through. I have this feeling someone over there thought you needed 1 schematic or something for a new recipe, 2420 logs could be worth it then, but no, we have this useless crap.

Originally posted by Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats:

so why the massively heavy recipe?

Because they didn't think this through for more then 20 seconds.

[Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats]

Originally posted by John:

Originally posted by Silence:

If it were 6 sawdust per paper with library flooring it might be worth it.

Still not, with 9 you would need 242.000 logs to make enough sawdust to make 100 schematics. I mean jesus christ, they didn't think this one through. I have this feeling someone over there thought you needed 1 schematic or something for a new recipe, 2420 logs could be worth it then, but no, we have this useless crap.

Originally posted by Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats:

so why the massively heavy recipe?

Because they didn't think this through for more then 20 seconds.

I mean it make sense if you couldnt find the things.

Like for example if only paper dropped and you had to make scrolls and schematics. But they would still need to heavily buff the paper press, esp the recipes. Currently they are just completely useless.

[Bomoo]

Originally posted by John:

Originally posted by Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats:

so why the massively heavy recipe?

Because they didn't think this through for more then 20 seconds.

It's an early access balance pass of a high-tier tech that probably only a minority of players are going to interact with. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they put some random numbers in and didn't playtest it internally, or haven't looked at playtest feedback, or have looked at playtest feedback and haven't pushed the changes out to live.

If this game had been out of early access for a year or more and this unrealistic cost tuning was still there, yeah, that'd be dopey.

[Zaizo]

for paper is good, the other is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats]

Originally posted by Bomoo:

Originally posted by John:

Because they didn't think this through for more then 20 seconds.

It's an early access balance pass of a high-tier tech that probably only a minority of players are going to interact with. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they put some random numbers in and didn't playtest it internally, or haven't looked at playtest feedback, or have looked at playtest feedback and haven't pushed the changes out to live.

If this game had been out of early access for a year or more and this unrealistic cost tuning was still there, yeah, that'd be dopey.

I cant tell if you're being sarcastic or actually giving them an excuse?

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats:

Originally posted by Bomoo:

It's an early access balance pass of a high-tier tech that probably only a minority of players are going to interact with. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they put some random numbers in and didn't playtest it internally, or haven't looked at playtest feedback, or have looked at playtest feedback and haven't pushed the changes out to live.

If this game had been out of early access for a year or more and this unrealistic cost tuning was still there, yeah, that'd be dopey.

I cant tell if you're being sarcastic or actually giving them an excuse?

How is that an excuse? We bought an unfinished and unbalanced game, so it's really not a stretch to think they haven't fully tested or finalized the paper press. Hopefully it's on their list, and hopefully they're in tune enough with their fans to realize that people may want it balanced sooner rather than later, we'll see.

[whuzerg]

I too find it pointless even if I need one more paper to complete a set.

At least it looks nice. [/quote]
This is true. It looks nice in a room full of books and a study.

[Ragewaar]

I'm just going to throw my two cents in here, but I honestly think that the paper press is currently just something they threw in as a placeholder without actually testing the mechanic or costs, because as of right now its ridiculous. my main guess is its something they expect people to eventually need for the future fourth area and hopefully they'll balance some of the costs once we get that update. one thing I saw someone complaining about though for the log cost is theres exactly zero reason at current state to EVER use the paper press to upgrade from sawdust all the way to schematics. I feel like the lower tier recipes in it are simply there for players who blast through the lower areas at high speed and dont unlock everything, but want to get them finished out eventually without having to waste servant runs or time going back to the lower zones when you need so many of the upper tier resources.

[william_es]

Main purpose of the paper press is to make paper when you no longer raid in the areas where it drops, and you don't want to send servants raiding for it either.

[Kyvik]

Originally posted by John:

Originally posted by Silence:

If it were 6 sawdust per paper with library flooring it might be worth it.

Still not, with 9 you would need 242.000 logs to make enough sawdust to make 100 schematics. I mean jesus christ, they didn't think this one through. I have this feeling someone over there thought you needed 1 schematic or something for a new recipe, 2420 logs could be worth it then, but no, we have this useless crap.

Originally posted by Lion-O, Lord of the Thundercats:

so why the massively heavy recipe?

Because they didn't think this through for more then 20 seconds.

It's not unheard of for full release crafting games to have this exorbitant of a crafting cost on top tier items. My biggest issue with it was that as soon as I was to the point where I had enough material to make it, Paper was obsolete. Then once I had the mats to make scrolls, scrolls are now obsolete.

If they don't lower the entry/cost barrier for the press then the only thing it's good for is scenery. Hopefully that's what they're using early access for. Identifying their misses.

[DaHydroPonic]

if you speed run the press comes in clutch later on for paper, anything more than that its a waste of resources. Also u can trade paper to newer players for resources that you dont wanna farm i do it all the time, paper for Stone/wood/bone etc etc..I usually trade it for bones but you get the point.