Bosses... oh boy

[Gw1nRess]

So let's have a discussion about bosses. Am I the only one that sees the pattern with summons and annoying mechanics that are not even fun to play around? ... Early bosses - except bear and christina are fun or at least not annoying but later bosses! I feel like someone just dumped annoying jumps, stuns etc without thinking about player CDs and added summons of some kind to make it even more annoying.

Don't take me wrong, I can take the challenge. After all I played my fair share of DS games, Elden Ring, you name it, but in past few years when I see a boss it feels more like a chore and "hour of depression" then fun that is brought up by challenge.

To be specific - Behemot, Nightmarshal and Solarus are the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things I've fought.
PS: Not mentioning some of these summons are ridiculously OP in numbers.

[dorkenstein]

Suzaku a écrit :

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

The bosses are not skill based else you could beat them at level 1. They are designed to be approached by multiple people.

They are skill-based because you can beat them without being hit at all. Careful use of movement skills, counters, and i-frames allows you to avoid or negate literally every single strike. Improving your gear just makes the fight shorter by making your damage higher, or reducing damage taken so you can make more mistakes.

Either join the conversation or keep walking.

If they are skill based then I'm still waiting for you to upload a video of you beating bosses at level 1.

Else you can concede that it's not and stop being offended that your new favorite video game is just a series of stat checks.

[LeftPaw]

You can kill them easily if you hit or shoot them. Problem is getting your hits and shots home. 99.9.9% of the time is spent dodging, running and hiding.
I kite around for around 80 minutes until lady luck smiles ,the stars are aligned perfectly and the RNG god says 'yes' Then I get to hit or shoot the boss, but only if I'm quick.

Not all, but some boss fights feel like that. Their ability cool down must be in the region of 0.0.01 nano seconds.

You know that fool you find in the grave yard that you get the poison grave spell from? He had me running around like a headless chicken with his AOE attacks. I got the sucker in the end though.

[Suzaku]

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

Suzaku a écrit :

They are skill-based because you can beat them without being hit at all. Careful use of movement skills, counters, and i-frames allows you to avoid or negate literally every single strike. Improving your gear just makes the fight shorter by making your damage higher, or reducing damage taken so you can make more mistakes.

Either join the conversation or keep walking.

If they are skill based then I'm still waiting for you to upload a video of you beating bosses at level 1.

Else you can concede that it's not and stop being offended that your new favorite video game is just a series of stat checks.

I'm not giving you a jester award. Stupidity is not to be rewarded.

[dorkenstein]

Suzaku a écrit :

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

If they are skill based then I'm still waiting for you to upload a video of you beating bosses at level 1.

Else you can concede that it's not and stop being offended that your new favorite video game is just a series of stat checks.

I'm not giving you a jester award. Stupidity is not to be rewarded.

Whatever you need to tell yourself. Feel free to hit me with that video when you get a chance. Looking forward to it.

[Suzaku]

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

Suzaku a écrit :

I'm not giving you a jester award. Stupidity is not to be rewarded.

Whatever you need to tell yourself. Feel free to hit me with that video when you get a chance. Looking forward to it.

Let's turn it around for fun. Show me a video of you beating the final boss in end-game gear without dodging or attacking. Prove that gear is how you beat a boss and not skill. Bring 10 of your friends to also stand there and not dodge or attack. Actually, bring 50 friends since they just increased the clan cap. Prove that multiplayer is how you win.

[GR4V3 MIST4K3]

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

Suzaku a écrit :

No, because that's not the argument anyone here is making. The point we're all making is that the bosses can be solo'd in level-appropriate gear, usually with great ease. If you want a video of a boss being solo'd, I'm certain there are already plenty of them on Youtube.

Either join the conversation or keep walking.

The bosses are not skill based else you could beat them at level 1. They are designed to be approached by multiple people.

Sadly, I agree. "git gud" does not apply for pve content.

[Vegetable Vampire]

Siventis a écrit :

Let me just simply say: Get good

Let me just simply say: think about your existence and if it is worth anything

[dorkenstein]

Suzaku a écrit :

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

Whatever you need to tell yourself. Feel free to hit me with that video when you get a chance. Looking forward to it.

Let's turn it around for fun. Show me a video of you beating the final boss in end-game gear without dodging or attacking. Prove that gear is how you beat a boss and not skill. Bring 10 of your friends to also stand there and not dodge or attack. Actually, bring 50 friends since they just increased the clan cap. Prove that multiplayer is how you win.

I never made the claim that the bosses can't be killed with a gear advantage. They obviously can since you need a gear advantage to beat them. Are you saying that it can't be done? That's even more absurd than your previous claims.

I'm simply asking you to prove your claim that the bosses are skill based by providing a video showing boss kills at level 1. Else just admit you're wrong.

[Cpt.P1mp]

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

Suzaku a écrit :

They are skill-based because you can beat them without being hit at all. Careful use of movement skills, counters, and i-frames allows you to avoid or negate literally every single strike. Improving your gear just makes the fight shorter by making your damage higher, or reducing damage taken so you can make more mistakes.

Either join the conversation or keep walking.

If they are skill based then I'm still waiting for you to upload a video of you beating bosses at level 1.

Else you can concede that it's not and stop being offended that your new favorite video game is just a series of stat checks.

So what if its a stat check, you can still solo. Often while underleveled.
For me that was the case while playing, usually 3 or 5 levels under what I fight, sometimes even.

It isn't made for multiple at all.
No matter what ♥♥♥♥ you are trying to turn here.

You always have the right gear made available to you before the next tier of bosses n so on.

[Cpt.P1mp]

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

Suzaku a écrit :

Let's turn it around for fun. Show me a video of you beating the final boss in end-game gear without dodging or attacking. Prove that gear is how you beat a boss and not skill. Bring 10 of your friends to also stand there and not dodge or attack. Actually, bring 50 friends since they just increased the clan cap. Prove that multiplayer is how you win.

I never made the claim that the bosses can't be killed with a gear advantage. They obviously can since you need a gear advantage to beat them. Are you saying that it can't be done? That's even more absurd than your previous claims.

I'm simply asking you to prove your claim that the bosses are skill based by providing a video showing boss kills at level 1. Else just admit you're wrong.

Yer being retarded, you said it's maid for multiple, Wich it ain't.

You can solo, with the appropriate gear.
First time playing a rpg?
Look at wow and raids. Come back. It's a mix of skill n gear.
Same way you won't beat a raid in wow at lvl1.

You need to hit certain softcaps.

[dorkenstein]

Cpt.P1mp a écrit :

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

I never made the claim that the bosses can't be killed with a gear advantage. They obviously can since you need a gear advantage to beat them. Are you saying that it can't be done? That's even more absurd than your previous claims.

I'm simply asking you to prove your claim that the bosses are skill based by providing a video showing boss kills at level 1. Else just admit you're wrong.

Yer being retarded, you said it's maid for multiple, Wich it ain't.

You can solo, with the appropriate gear.
First time playing a rpg?
Look at wow and raids. Come back. It's a mix of skill n gear.
Same way you won't beat a raid in wow at lvl1.

You need to hit certain softcaps.

It's made for multiple people. You can also solo a lot of raids in WoW if you have a gear advantage. In v Rising you also need a gear advantage. Whether you get that by leveling or using multiple players doesn't matter. It's designed this way on purpose. If it wasn't, you'd be able to solo the bosses at level 1.

[LeftPaw]

Never mind bosses I survived the bosses but was killed twice today by those napalm archers. I'm sure those arrows are homing.

[Cpt.P1mp]

PYRRHONIANGUNK a écrit :

Cpt.P1mp a écrit :

Yer being retarded, you said it's maid for multiple, Wich it ain't.

You can solo, with the appropriate gear.
First time playing a rpg?
Look at wow and raids. Come back. It's a mix of skill n gear.
Same way you won't beat a raid in wow at lvl1.

You need to hit certain softcaps.

It's made for multiple people. You can also solo a lot of raids in WoW if you have a gear advantage. In v Rising you also need a gear advantage. Whether you get that by leveling or using multiple players doesn't matter. It's designed this way on purpose. If it wasn't, you'd be able to solo the bosses at level 1.

You can't solo any raid in wow that is up to par with your gear.
It's like saying, oh I'm lvl 60 I can go solo lvl1 areea now.

You don't need a gear advantage in v rising. Not in a sense of being 100x times stronger than the boss. Equal level gear to boss is enough to solo.
Cut the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

You don't need to be 60 to beat a lvl 10 boss.
Hence why a lot of players can solo the game.
Not to mention endgame where there is a clear limit, its not like you will be miles ahead in gear vs the last boss. He is 80 u are 80.
And even at that level there are mechanics That can do you in a couple of blows.

But if u play it right, you beat them.


This is my first top down since diablo3 and I manage fine. Game is easy. I heard ark is similar but haven't tried.
A game where you can also solo endgame raids, guardians I believe.

[CoreHaven]

Insignia a écrit :

I have beaten every boss solo. Kinda easy tbh.

Not on your own and not with default settings you didn't. You're either on an easy server with easy settings or you're playing with friends to beat the bosses. Mid tear bosses are practically invincible on default if you're alone. Any boss after Tristan the Vampire Hunter is just impossible to defeat solo. Unless you alter server settings.

[Suzaku]

CoreHaven a écrit :

Insignia a écrit :

I have beaten every boss solo. Kinda easy tbh.

Not on your own and not with default settings you didn't. You're either on an easy server with easy settings or you're playing with friends to beat the bosses. Mid tear bosses are practically invincible on default if you're alone. Any boss after Tristan the Vampire Hunter is just impossible to defeat solo. Unless you alter server settings.

Have you tried winning instead if whining?