The craft/building in this is nonsensical.

[ExecutiveOdin]

Going to copy the other guy who asked about roofs and remind everyone that I am playing a vampire.
As a vampire the number 1 biggest threat to you is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sun.
So you go out and you are forced to follow this very strict tutorial. Screw you, you aren't allowed to do what you want. Already know how to play the game? Too bad, do the tutorial.

So you pop down a castle heart and expand its influence, cool. Now I want to build a room to protect myself from the sun.
I can't, too bad, can only make palisades. Also you are forced to make palisades.
Which means I know how to make wooden structures, just not for shelter because reasons.

Start popping down crafting stations that you won't be able to stand next to and use because it's day time. The sun is a massive threat and makes travel and combat a hassle but you aren't allowed to make a roof, go hunt a boss creature instead because that is what you are told to do.

Go and hunt the boss creature and get told to make a research bench and THEN you get the recipe for structures.
Make the research bench and lol you actually can't use it because it needs paper and you can't make paper until you research it and researching it requires paper.

Next objective to upgrade your castle heart. This objective also requires crafting stations and resources you aren't able to make yet and it doesn't tell you how to get them despite the fact that it has been holding your hand and making you do things you haven't wanted to do step by step up till this point.

But whatever, I can make ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ floors now and finally be safe from the sun and random animals won't wander into my space.
So you see you need a grinder to make bricks for the structures. To make a grinder you need whetstones. Whetstones require stone dust. You get stone dust from a...grinder.
So more cyclical bullcrap. Additionally I'd like to point out that the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ FORGE IS MADE OF BRICKS!

Also the nearest camp that I could get whetstones from is halfway across the map and my character seems to walk with a limp and can't fast travel back to his base or anywhere if he he is holding a stick.

How is this fun?

[Avallac]

Or if you had at least 1 braincell you'd figure out to use the mist brazier that provides cover from the sun before you can make floors and stone walls. You could also use about 1 braincell to get whetstones from any mobs and crates in farbane, like you're supposed to instead of trying to craft them...
This may explode your brain but there is wolf form, horses and portals to travel faster as well...

[ExecutiveOdin]

Ok big brain.
So it makes sense to you that I can craft this ornate magical device that I need to constantly fuel with a resource and takes up additional space in my tiny starter non castle and that the game doesn't inform me about or prompt me to create as it does with with almost every other single thing at the beginning.

Instead of making a wooden roof.

ALSO, also big brain I want you to inform me. Give me some education daddy please. I know know whetstones drop from specific camps and mobs that are a hike away from me and I noted that in my post. But tell me baby, if a grinder is needed to make whetstones....where did ANY of the whetstones come from? How do they exist at all?
Again, nonsense. Unless your big brain can explain that to me.

[Mansen]

Fun fact: The game is in early access and feedback from players is essential to ensure the right things are changed, added and in some rare cases completely redone or removed.

It would appear that you've missed a very obvious piece of equipment that could have saved you a lot of grief early on - The Mist Brazier. Pop some bones in that, and you've got a fog 2-3? tiles away from it on all sides that are permanently in shade.

As for the Whetstone grind... if you can't even be bothered to grab a very easy whetstone from random mob drops, breaking crates and looting chests, you're not going to enjoy the game at all... or the genre as a whole.

[Avallac]

Originally posted by ExecutiveOdin:

Ok big brain.
So it makes sense to you that I can craft this ornate magical device that I need to constantly fuel with a resource and takes up additional space in my tiny starter non castle and that the game doesn't inform me about or prompt me to create as it does with with almost every other single thing at the beginning.

Instead of making a wooden roof.

ALSO, also big brain I want you to inform me. Give me some education daddy please. I know know whetstones drop from specific camps and mobs that are a hike away from me and I noted that in my post. But tell me baby, if a grinder is needed to make whetstones....where did ANY of the whetstones come from? How do they exist at all?
Again, nonsense. Unless your big brain can explain that to me.

Any mobs drop whetstones, there is no reason to go to some specific camp to get them.
As for who makes the ones mobs have... this might blow your mind... but maybe humans have a different process from vampires to make them? Not that any sane person would care.
They are crafted in the furnace btw, not a grinder.

[Avallac]

With a few braincells you could also avoid the sun by using shade from your own walls and crafting stations or leave a few trees near base.

[Suzaku]

This just ain't your game OP.

[ExecutiveOdin]

Originally posted by Mansen:

or the genre as a whole.

I have hundreds of hours on Conan Exiles, 7 Days to Die, Project Zomboid, Ark, Atlas, Rust, Subnautica, Long Dark, The Forest, etc.

That's how I can sit down with this and be like "no, no this doesn't feel right, the flow is just not there."

[Avallac]

Originally posted by ExecutiveOdin:

Originally posted by Mansen:

or the genre as a whole.

I have hundreds of hours on Conan Exiles, 7 Days to Die, Project Zomboid, Ark, Atlas, Rust, Subnautica, Long Dark, The Forest, etc.

That's how I can sit down with this and be like "no, no this doesn't feel right, the flow is just not there."

The forest, lmao, no surprise you have issues. I can see how anyone could get severe braindamage after playing that garbage for more than a few hours.

[ExecutiveOdin]

The Forest is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weird right?
When I beat it I went and made my cabin and then went into a cave. By the time I left the cave system I didn't really need anything at my cabin because I had so many resources so I just went and found another cave and then after a few more hours in that cave system I finished the game.
You have to force yourself to build and craft in that game because it's just not needed.

[Serious Secare]

You guys calling him an idiot for not liking something are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

[gibbelblonk]

perhaps this type of game is not for you... try something simpler, like fortnite or bejeweled.

[Suzaku]

Originally posted by Serious Secare:

You guys calling him an idiot for not liking something are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

They're making fun of him for complaining about super, extremely minor inconveniences to which he already has solutions for, or will have the solution within minutes. Literally if they didn't make this thread, they'd have solved all their problems instead, but they chose whining instead of winning.

[Avallac]

Originally posted by Serious Secare:

You guys calling him an idiot for not liking something are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

His post isn't about not liking something, its an intellectual failure. Everything he is complaining about is just in his head and not how the game works or is intended to work which is also very obvious to a normal person.

He is literally complaining about needing to make paper for the research bench, which almost nobody ever should or needs to do. Just go and get books from mobs... he would have realized that if instead of complaining if he spent a couple minutes killing mobs to get whetstones that he is also complaining about.

[ExecutiveOdin]

I'm complaining about bad design.
You are forced to build a research bench that you can't use so that you can get the recipes for structures that you can't build because you need to make crafting stations out of resources that you can't make because they require those crafting stations.

And you're defending that because "well you can just check your map and see that this camp over here has that resource for you". But that is nonsense from a game play perspective. It's artificially limited for "reasons".

[ExecutiveOdin]

Ok Avallac I don't think you know how discussion or debate works.

I made a claim. I claim that the experience I am having in the game is unfun and not well designed. I then go on to explain why I feel that way.

You disagree and you want to express that back to me. The proper way to do that would be to explain why the claim I made is incorrect by telling me why it is good design and fun for you.

When you just make assumptions and name call it does not prove your point. It subverts it and makes me not want to engage with you because you either don't want or are incapable of making an argument in good faith.

For example you say that in this crafting game that it is better to farm from mobs because crafting is to just get rid of leftovers resources.
Claim: gathering from mobs is more efficient
Reason: it's a waste of resources to craft certain things

That is completely valid and makes sense and I probably agree with you that is is a better way to use resources. Now on the same topic I will my claim.
Claim: it is bad design to require farming from mobs to progress
Reason: it limits play style and player choice