Stunlock Studios has a History of Abandoning Games

[Dinlek]

They abandoned Bloodline Champions for Battlerite.
They abandoned Battlerite for a half-assed battle royale remake of Battlerite.

I'll give credit where credit is due. Both Bloodline Champions and Battlerite were well-thought-out permutations of the PvP MOBA genre, brought into a 'simplified' arena combat system that still had respectable depth.

However, Stunlock Studios clearly has no interest in devoting money into long-term support for any game they produce.

It's a strategy, to be fair. They release quality games and then give up on them. Rinse and repeat. It's a shame they make always online games that are worthless without an active playerbase.

The fact Stunlock Studios has the gall to release a game with $30 day 1 DLC?

Feel free to make your own decisions, but I don't like the idea of these devs half-assing support for another game.

[Draktok]

Messaggio originale di Ulti:

You are going to wait a whole year before deciding to buy a 20$ game because it might not have players by then. why not spend 20$ and just have fun with the game while people are having fun with it. its like talking yourself out of spending money to have fun. must be a boring life you have.
This game is well polished and couldve released as not early access. There is lots to do im 15 hours in and havnt left the first area of the game yet there is 4 more areas on the map. lots of bosses and creatures for me to kill still.
Even if its abandoned that doesnt make it any less fun now. i dont understand you people.

Some people spend $20 on food several times a week and $40 on monthly subs but bend ass over backwards over not spending $20 on a video games, lol

[Tanyon]

Messaggio originale di iJeff729:

Gave you an award. Thanks for posting this. It is for this reason that I DO NOT purchase early access games (AKA long-term betas). I was tempted with this one though, due to loving vampire lore.

Well you're missing out. I already got my $20 worth.. and I've only played for 10 hours simply because I HAVE to sleep and work lol. If this had released on a Friday I'd easily have 24+ hours by now. If they never did anything else with the game at all.. it was still worth $20.

[peep]

Messaggio originale di DarthTanyon:

Messaggio originale di iJeff729:

Gave you an award. Thanks for posting this. It is for this reason that I DO NOT purchase early access games (AKA long-term betas). I was tempted with this one though, due to loving vampire lore.

Well you're missing out. I already got my $20 worth.. and I've only played for 10 hours simply because I HAVE to sleep and work lol. If this had released on a Friday I'd easily have 24+ hours by now. If they never did anything else with the game at all.. it was still worth $20.

Same here. Just shy of 10 hours and I wish I could play this game all day. It's insanely good, don't remember the last time I played a game this addictive. Doesn't even feel like an EA game.

[Glitchy Girl]

Messaggio originale di Dinlek:

Crap, I got on a tangent and made some edits to my post after you replied; I did some research to make sure I wasn't talking out my sphincter. I partially was: TL;DR I didn't pay for Bloodline Champions, I payed for the beta of Battlerite because I wanted to give Stunlock another chance.

If there's a lot of standalone content that doesn't depend on other players, then Stunlock has certainly learned some valuable lessons from their previous projects.

That makes sense, and I am sorry you had that experience. It never is fun. :X

As for the content yep, not to push my own content. But if you want to see my experiences with the PvE content so far. I have been streaming my gameplay.

You can watch it over at /GlitchyGirl on twitch. And you'll see that except for chatting with a few folks and doing a boss or two with a few people. Most of it was done solo.

Plus you can just run stand alone sessions on your machine as well. :3

That said, I must shove off.. It's a bit late and I need to get some sleep. It was good communicating with you!

[Brokenrite]

Messaggio originale di Ulti:

You are going to wait a whole year before deciding to buy a 20$ game because it might not have players by then. why not spend 20$ and just have fun with the game while people are having fun with it. its like talking yourself out of spending money to have fun. must be a boring life you have.
This game is well polished and couldve released as not early access. There is lots to do im 15 hours in and havnt left the first area of the game yet there is 4 more areas on the map. lots of bosses and creatures for me to kill still.
Even if its abandoned that doesnt make it any less fun now. i dont understand you people.

Shutdown people PCs.
Not saving games.
Low FPS.


Well polished?

[Dinlek]

Messaggio originale di Draktok:

Some people spend $20 on food several times a week and $40 on monthly subs but bend ass over backwards over not spending $20 on a video games, lol

I'm going to ignore the fact that spending $20 on food several times a week (or *gasp* $100 a week on groceries in one fell swoop!) isn't really relevant, since no one's going to stop feeding their kids to buy V Rising...I hope.

If someone's getting less than (let's keep your ratio) 30 hours enjoyment a month for $40 of subscriptions, then they're not going to look at the discussions page to decide whether or not to buy this game. They clearly don't value that sort of chump change anyway, true.

Those aren't the people I'm talking to. Also, this cute little scarecrow (strawman) you put together is irrelevant. Nothing you're saying disagrees with what I've said in any way.

Yes. Stunlock releases polished games. I've said as much.

Yes. If you're coming into this game expecting a couple months of fun, then you'll get your moneys worth. Literally every post I've made has reiterated that point.

No. The games 55k launch doesn't prove that they'll support it. Because if this game follows the trend of 99% of multiplayer Indie games, we'll be seeing the 5k weekly players soon enough.

My point throughout: Stunlock does not support games long term. They've chosen a monetization strategy that doubles down on getting high profits out of a game with a very short lifecycle.

[peep]

Messaggio originale di Brokenrite:

Messaggio originale di Ulti:

Shutdown people PCs.
Not saving games.
Low FPS.


Well polished?

You don't even own the game and your name is dedicated to hating on an indie developer. Not sure why anyone would take you seriously but whatever floats your boat.

[Jagore]

People are really mad a game developer stopped supporting a game that lost all its players and wasn't making money.

[Saint Olaf]

for $20 if they patch this game twice get rid of most of the bugs, then never touch it again its worth the money.

[Tanyon]

Messaggio originale di Saint Olaf:

for $20 if they patch this game twice get rid of most of the bugs, then never touch it again its worth the money.

Yup 100%.. that's exactly how I feel. Game is incredible basically as is. IF they make VAST improvements and expansions whatever that's just icing on the cake.

[Dinlek]

Messaggio originale di Glitchy Girl:

[...]Plus you can just run stand alone sessions on your machine as well. :3

That said, I must shove off.. It's a bit late and I need to get some sleep. It was good communicating with you!

Sounds like there will still be game worth playing in a year, even if my assumptions prove correct, which is great to hear!

Thanks for the stimulating conversation!

Messaggio originale di Jagore:

People are really mad a game developer stopped supporting a game that lost all its players and wasn't making money.

Less mad, more bitter. The kinda of bitter that leads to me getting on a soapbox in the Steam discussions. So, stale dark chocolate I suppose.

Messaggio originale di Saint Olaf:

for $20 if they patch this game twice get rid of most of the bugs, then never touch it again its worth the money.

Completely fair. As long as you know what you're getting into.

[Brokenrite]

Messaggio originale di Brazil:

Messaggio originale di Brokenrite:

Shutdown people PCs.
Not saving games.
Low FPS.


Well polished?

You don't even own the game and your name is dedicated to hating on an indie developer. Not sure why anyone would take you seriously but whatever floats your boat.

What I stated are facts. You can check them out on this on steam forums. I did not made up this things. I would never do this.

Have you heard about Ad hominem? if not. This might be the right time you could learn about.

[Dinlek]

Messaggio originale di Draktok:

Having a dead game be abandoned isn't abandoning games. It's just smart business. Battlerite was averaging like 2k players on a good friday night after a month into launch with endless support and releases, and the servers for BLC and BR are still up.

They didn't really abandon the game, at all - the players abandoned it. Just my thoughts.

Missed this post. I'm not gonna edit my last one yet again.

Abandon might be too harsh a term. There's considerable daylight between "they stopped updating!" and "they shut down the servers!". I feel like stopping updates on a multiplayer game is the same as abandoning it, but they definitely deserve credit for continuing server support for their old games. Thanks for bring that up.

[Draktok]

Messaggio originale di Dinlek:

Messaggio originale di Draktok:

Some people spend $20 on food several times a week and $40 on monthly subs but bend ass over backwards over not spending $20 on a video games, lol

I'm going to ignore the fact that spending $20 on food several times a week (or *gasp* $100 a week on groceries in one fell swoop!) isn't really relevant, since no one's going to stop feeding their kids to buy V Rising...I hope.

If someone's getting less than (let's keep your ratio) 30 hours enjoyment a month for $40 of subscriptions, then they're not going to look at the discussions page to decide whether or not to buy this game. They clearly don't value that sort of chump change anyway, true.

Those aren't the people I'm talking to. Also, this cute little scarecrow (strawman) you put together is irrelevant. Nothing you're saying disagrees with what I've said in any way.

Yes. Stunlock releases polished games. I've said as much.

Yes. If you're coming into this game expecting a couple months of fun, then you'll get your moneys worth. Literally every post I've made has reiterated that point.

No. The games 55k launch doesn't prove that they'll support it. Because if this game follows the trend of 99% of multiplayer Indie games, we'll be seeing the 5k weekly players soon enough.

My point throughout: Stunlock does not support games long term. They've chosen a monetization strategy that doubles down on getting high profits out of a game with a very short lifecycle.

It's interesting to me that you expect a game that received regularly updates for 2 full years and a polished game for ... $20 during EA to free at launch to continue developing despite a regularly dropping player base / unsustainable business model to NOT be abandoned.

The devs still haven't turned off the servers and still support it.

The 'strawman' about where people spend $20 was a reply to someone else and i think it's relevant - hopefully no one is whining about $20 to feed their kids vs $20 to feed a game, ironic you used a strawman to defend that statement. I only mentioned it more in line with people spending $20 to go out to eat, ie people spend money on unnecessary pleasure all the time.

I just fundamentally disagree they make games then abandon them. The players abandon them. That's it.

[Draktok]

Messaggio originale di Brazil:

Messaggio originale di Brokenrite:

Shutdown people PCs.
Not saving games.
Low FPS.


Well polished?

You don't even own the game and your name is dedicated to hating on an indie developer. Not sure why anyone would take you seriously but whatever floats your boat.

his name is also brokenrite - i wonder if that's in reference to battlerite or not, the other game by the same devs.