Creative mode?

[Wolfenacht]

Is any kind of creative mode on the works? Like just a huge square map and access to any item in the game and unlimited number of them. Like a bunch of filing cabinets with each item and when you pull one out it gets replaced.
So that way people can practice on what works. Nothing is more frustrating then buying a piece with the last of your money just to find out it doesn't work like you thought it would, it really sucks when that happens.

[Seftak]

I would suggest having a look at the wiki is you wonder how something work. You will also find a lot of hidden information necessary to get better at the game.

[Wolfenacht]

Originally posted by Seftak:

I would suggest having a look at the wiki is you wonder how something work. You will also find a lot of hidden information necessary to get better at the game.

I get what you are saying, I have done both of those, also gotten into overtime days. Just sometimes things don't exactly make sense unless you try it out, like which way a combiner needs to face, can you combine into a combiner? How each of those work with each type of food? Is there a way to close a microwave/oven without manually doign it? Are the dumbwaiters even worth it since you have to still close and open one? ETC.
So many of those are confusing but i never have enough in a run to test it out or risk tossing money on it. The wiki just stating stuff like "This combines with stuff in front of it" Well that still doesn't answer where it ends up, does it stay with the combiner or does the combined item go infront of the combiner? Then you have timing, getting those correctly, why the smart grabbers sometimes reset themselves every time, but other times it doesn't change the item is loads?

Like one time I was doing the tomatos in a mixer. I had the smart grabber set to only grab it when its tomato paste, but it would switch to just a chopped tomato every once in a while. Why dooes two smart grabbers back to back make the smart grabber that is connected to the other grabber ALWAYS change what it's grabbing when an item passes through?

Basically, just like minecraft and any other game like this... there is a creative mode so people can answer these questions, without throwing away an entire run to hopefully, maybe, get the items they need.

[Adam Gaffney]

Second this, I would love a creative mode. I don't think the issue is even just about testing what works, but having fun trying to optimise builds in a specific restaurant shape. If you could select the shape and meal as normal but select creative, then you can try out optimisations for your automation that would be super cool. It's nice to figure that out on the fly also but when you have so much to focus on in the course of a normal game you don't always get the chance to truly experiment.

[ninjaguyDan]

Practice mode exists so you can test how things work. Seeded runs exist so you can truly optimize any given run.

A creative mode is over the top and most people would be bored with the game in a few days if it was added.

Btw, minecraft is not a "game like this". That comparison is really stretching. Minecraft has free open world building as a basic theme of the game, and it always has. This game does not have that, nor should it.

[Wolfenacht]

Originally posted by Loud Sue:

Practice mode exists so you can test how things work. Seeded runs exist so you can truly optimize any given run.

A creative mode is over the top and most people would be bored with the game in a few days if it was added.

Btw, minecraft is not a "game like this". That comparison is really stretching. Minecraft has free open world building as a basic theme of the game, and it always has. This game does not have that, nor should it.

Minecraft started out with very little stuff you could do, but people still wanted to optimize their builds or just build cool ♥♥♥♥ without worrying. So minecraft isn't like this game, but in other aspects it really is. The game is literally described as a way to try and optimize your restaurant, it isn't "No automation do everything manually">
Being a dev myself I can firmly say, with any kind of automation of anything, you need an environment with almost unlimited resources to truly test optimization. If any game, any computing, any coding, any IDE, if it was highly limited in the code/tools/builds/game items then you would be beyond hard pressed to actually optimize much of anything.

So waste of resources? No, not for something so freaking easy to code into this that it's not even funny. I don't know if you are the type that just likes to argue or if you might not know much about coding at all.

The seeding really only changes the map itself, and each rounds cards that can pop up (I think at least, it depends on how seeded that actually is). The seed doesn't touch using the refresh/reroll of the blueprints on the ground. So the seed helps with the map and the base in between round blueprints, but that's it. That doesn't allow you to optimize, because chances are there is a blueprint that just rarely shows up, and it's one you need for automation.

But it should/would take a dev less than a day to do this. Do you know why? All the code already exists, they just need to make a spot where the person can grab the item with no cost, or provide the player with unlimited money. That's it. Big square open room, with either each item sitting there that replicates itself when you pick it up, or some sort of search function (Which again is beyond easy, there are APIs for word searching) and have the item show up that you can grab.

So, unless you are saying less than a day's work for a dev is a waste of time to allow an entire gaming group the ability to have fun, try builds, and optimize without constraints... than I don't know what to tell you.

[ninjaguyDan]

Congratulations, you have a shining example of the strawman fallacy. Literally no one mentioned a waste of dev resources.

Your sole reason for wanting creative mode was "practicing what works"
That is what Practice Mode is for. You can enter it every single day multiple times. I use it a lot to train my smart grabbers before the actual run starts.

The other reason provided was that you could optimize a run. That is what Seeded Runs are for, so you can go into the same seed repeatedly to figure out the best way to play it.

In response to my completely logical and polite response, you wrote several paragraphs ranting about how it's not a waste of dev resources.

What does you being a dev yourself have to do with anything? And if you are a dev yourself, then you might consider improving on your communication skills.