Can't find people to do Guardian Raid lvl5.

[Digi]

as the title says, been searching for 15 minutes straight.
found a few people in the past 3 hours, around 3 raids and all wipe on stagger check.
is the game dead or is everyone just full into the end game?

[Furious]

Game is 100% dead, you should spend your time elsewhere.

[Jango]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sephrajin:

As a returning player it was only after several days that i've accidently figured that i no longer had my card setup..
All gone.. though, got MANY card boxes in/as.. erm... mail items...

For me as european, try guardians at evening.. around 1800-2200 gmt+2, much better chances.

yeah especially for legion raids tbh it usually depends on the time of the week.
been seeing a lot of carries and learning groups though so that's pretty cool

[SweetStarfieldFan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Furious:

Game is 100% dead, you should spend your time elsewhere.

good advice.

[Sellox]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Digi:

as the title says, been searching for 15 minutes straight.
found a few people in the past 3 hours, around 3 raids and all wipe on stagger check.
is the game dead or is everyone just full into the end game?

This game is dead - there's nearly no one doing island coops for island hearts anymore.
They're losing players pretty much.

Prove: https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340

Just search an alternative game. I like Guild Wars 2 very much and you see players everywhere, even at beginner stories

Maybe i get banned for giving a better alternative than lost ark lol

[Wolfsoldier5]

Came back to the game as a friend asked me, we did guardian (1340) and then Argos G1 no problem but once we got to Argos G2... ghost town.

[Hosenbund]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sellox:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Digi:

as the title says, been searching for 15 minutes straight.
found a few people in the past 3 hours, around 3 raids and all wipe on stagger check.
is the game dead or is everyone just full into the end game?

This game is dead - there's nearly no one doing island coops for island hearts anymore.
They're losing players pretty much.

Prove: https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340

Just search an alternative game. I like Guild Wars 2 very much and you see players everywhere, even at beginner stories

Maybe i get banned for giving a better alternative than lost ark lol

because the game is over 1 year old at this point.. the stuff u said is due to poor game design for a mmo, not because the game is necessarily dead. its stuff you do once and then you are done. its no secret that every MMORPG is mainly played by old players which play since forever.
the people you see in guild wars or WoW or others are also often people leveling their alts.
in lost ark there is no need for that. stuff like island souls u do once and ur done. low level guardian raids? u skipped through them so fast even at release. now u can ignore t1 and t2 guardian raids completely and still reach t3 very fast.
also for island souls amount of servers matter much.
a game with 100k concurrent players can feel quite dead, and a game with a few thousand players can feel quite alive.

i am playing nostale right now..and the game feels as alive as some of the biggest MMO's..while only having a few thousand players.
but it only does on my server. all other servers died or are dying and slowly start to merge into the one im playing in

and a downwards trend for lost ark is not necessarily bad.for some reason seeing red numbers is always bad for some people. to them it doesnt matter if it went from 1 million to 100k or from 100k to 10k players..
but for some reason a game which goes from 5k players to 20k players? ohhhh its thriving because its amazing.

Behavior like that doesnt make ANY sense

but it is why im curious to know how many bots are still in the game. i find it hard to believe that there are even 60k concurrent real players right now

[Xaelon]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hosenbund:

but it is why im curious to know how many bots are still in the game. i find it hard to believe that there are even 60k concurrent real players right now

There's no way to know exactly how many bots are playing this game but you can get a decent idea comparing LA's steam chart: https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m

To that of any other live service game.
https://steamcharts.com/app/39210#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1085660#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730#1m

What you want to look at is not how many concurrent players a game has, but rather how much the number changes. As you can see from the games I linked a game's minimum concurrent players tends to be about half that of whatever it's max is.

LA's concurrent players on the other hand only drop by about 15k as opposed to the normal 30k we should be seeing. This means that around 40k of lost ark's 'players' never log out. In otherwords: they're bots.

So my very optimistic estimate is that LA has around 10k-20k actual players left.

[Novuhz]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xaelon:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hosenbund:

but it is why im curious to know how many bots are still in the game. i find it hard to believe that there are even 60k concurrent real players right now

There's no way to know exactly how many bots are playing this game but you can get a decent idea comparing LA's steam chart: https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m

To that of any other live service game.
https://steamcharts.com/app/39210#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1085660#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730#1m

What you want to look at is not how many concurrent players a game has, but rather how much the number changes. As you can see from the games I linked a game's minimum concurrent players tends to be about half that of whatever it's max is.

LA's concurrent players on the other hand only drop by about 15k as opposed to the normal 30k we should be seeing. This means that around 40k of lost ark's 'players' never log out. In otherwords: they're bots.

So my very optimistic estimate is that LA has around 10k-20k actual players left.

This is a good way to figure how many 'concurrent players' are not players but are bots.

But you made 3 mistakes, first one was only looking at weekend drops, on weekdays there's bigger drops, second mistake was comparing to FFXIV which isn't a grindy game like Lost Ark, we look at Destiny 2 which is more grindy in comparison and the numbers are almost the same in % drops. This confirms that there's not that many bots anymore compared to the past as the % drop from high peak to low peak is a lot more on par with other grindy games.

And last mistake Concurrent Players =/= Total Active Players.

Even if 30k Concurrent Players was bots and the other 30k Concurrent Players is real players, this doesn't mean there's only 30k players since they aren't online 24h each person plays at different times. There's a math behind how to find an estimate of Total Active Players using Concurrent Player numbers and using Total Hours Played as well.
One example on how to figure those numbers out is shown here: https://www.reddit.com/r/newworldgame/comments/u0ssmi/psa_concurrent_players_active_players/
You are looking at around 200k-300k Active Real Players playing the game on a Daily Basis and this is on the lower end estimation.

[Tariffs are a tax on your bill]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xaelon:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hosenbund:

but it is why im curious to know how many bots are still in the game. i find it hard to believe that there are even 60k concurrent real players right now

There's no way to know exactly how many bots are playing this game but you can get a decent idea comparing LA's steam chart: https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m

To that of any other live service game.
https://steamcharts.com/app/39210#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1085660#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730#1m

What you want to look at is not how many concurrent players a game has, but rather how much the number changes. As you can see from the games I linked a game's minimum concurrent players tends to be about half that of whatever it's max is.

LA's concurrent players on the other hand only drop by about 15k as opposed to the normal 30k we should be seeing. This means that around 40k of lost ark's 'players' never log out. In otherwords: they're bots.

So my very optimistic estimate is that LA has around 10k-20k actual players left.

Yeah, bots are still a lot

https://www.inven.co.kr/board/lostark/4811/6943850
https://www.inven.co.kr/board/lostark/4811/6941552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spEt6g43AJI

[EinhornCat]

When you reach in EUC guardian raid level 5, you won't have problems finding groups, if you do it between 15 and 22:00. And did you try to go for the "find group" option? If you are new, and write things like "hey i am new, need help" "returnee" most of the times, you will find someone who helps you, even for lower guardian raids. On Weekends at 04:00 you wont find people ^^ i also like to explain new people things, like the battle items and what counter etc is ^^

You can also open groups and do sidecontent while you wait for applicants. It helps. They want to rework t1, t2, t3 part 1 and t3 part 2 in a t1 and t2 System. We will see what they will make out of it.

[EinhornCat]

If you need any more people, i offer myself to help people too ^^ (Also EUC)

And i know a few new player and returnees. I myself am a returnee (waiting for aeromancer, so no pushing honing for me).

[FANXY]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Furious:

Game is 100% dead, you should spend your time elsewhere.

idk what you talking about, i never complained to find a party or anything else, if you cant find a party or being accepted in a party its probably because your build is shi* and you pretend to be carried by others, you prob dont know mechs either

[вєℓℓє]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Report unusual behavior:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xaelon:

There's no way to know exactly how many bots are playing this game but you can get a decent idea comparing LA's steam chart: https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m

To that of any other live service game.
https://steamcharts.com/app/39210#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1085660#1m
https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730#1m

What you want to look at is not how many concurrent players a game has, but rather how much the number changes. As you can see from the games I linked a game's minimum concurrent players tends to be about half that of whatever it's max is.

LA's concurrent players on the other hand only drop by about 15k as opposed to the normal 30k we should be seeing. This means that around 40k of lost ark's 'players' never log out. In otherwords: they're bots.

So my very optimistic estimate is that LA has around 10k-20k actual players left.

Yeah, bots are still a lot

https://www.inven.co.kr/board/lostark/4811/6943850
https://www.inven.co.kr/board/lostark/4811/6941552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spEt6g43AJI

That's old video, there's an arkpass running until june and it's not showing in the top right.. try to find more current videos about the game-state my friend.

[Tariffs are a tax on your bill]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bad2TheBone:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Report unusual behavior:

Yeah, bots are still a lot

https://www.inven.co.kr/board/lostark/4811/6943850
https://www.inven.co.kr/board/lostark/4811/6941552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spEt6g43AJI

That's old video, there's an arkpass running until june and it's not showing in the top right.. try to find more current videos about the game-state my friend.

Strange. No one pointed out it’s older.
Have a look!
https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/13eybvz/just_hangin_with_my_bot_friends_3_doing_a_little/

[Huitzo Mantequilla!]

Just another dead game speedrun by AGS don't mind them.
don't waste your time in such a garbage game.