Returning player seeking honest advice

[Ferry]

Hi, I left the game with five 1475 chars, one at 1490 with tons of mats. I stopped after I killed the clown cause I didnt had the hours to invest anymore at the time. Now im thinking on returning cause I really loved this game. Here are my questions:
-Are there any catch up systems or mechanics for new/returning players?
-How bad is gatekeeping these days?
-Are there enough returning/new players in the game right now to be able to join or create learning parties?
- Is it ok if I only focus on my main? Or will it be too hard to climb if I do that cause I was thinking on only playing my main and maybe my alt sorceress.

Honest thoughts please, no haters or boomers, thank you!

[Kenuty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

Look at this conversation I had with a friend the day before the new boss/patch.
https://i.imgur.com/pNjxISk.png
This is a person who has mastered the art of f2p minimum effort in Lost Ark with only 1 main. He doesn't even buy skins lol.
He has stopped showing up to guild raids due to scheduling conflicts in WoW and has opted to pug less then optimal content and hes struggling for it. But he still made it to 1580 before the new raid.


Yet hes 2 and half miles ahead of your main character thats supported by 20 alts and $15,000... are you kidding me? A guy who spends maybe 30 minutes on daily content and less than an hour on raids PER WEEK is outperforming you?
I bet this f2p 1 character andy gates your main =P

And how is your main just barely able to do Brel Hard? A boss that was added in April?
You are a clear example of why too many alts is a bad idea.

If you really want to convince people playing 1 character can't work then start showing the math/data.

wait a min, how is he outperforming me if I have everything in the game already and nothing to buy on the marketplace? even my main hit 1580 on kayangel release date??

Iam struggling to understand you guys right now, are you looking at the pics of all my characters posted weeks ago?

12 of em can do Kayangel raids right now.

Most of my time is spent on logging on and raiding real quick and logging off, I don't even do any chaos /guardians

How did this conversation and argument go from you need to sacrifice alot of time/money into this game into "My friends f2p character is outperforming you?"

Everytime I hear "OH I am ahead of someone" I flick my wallet and iam ahead of your friend in like 5 seconds and then I can go ♥♥♥♥ around in the game.

[SweetStarfieldFan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ToiletStore:

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

Look at this conversation I had with a friend the day before the new boss/patch.
https://i.imgur.com/pNjxISk.png
This is a person who has mastered the art of f2p minimum effort in Lost Ark with only 1 main. He doesn't even buy skins lol.
He has stopped showing up to guild raids due to scheduling conflicts in WoW and has opted to pug less then optimal content and hes struggling for it. But he still made it to 1580 before the new raid.


Yet hes 2 and half miles ahead of your main character thats supported by 20 alts and $15,000... are you kidding me? A guy who spends maybe 30 minutes on daily content and less than an hour on raids PER WEEK is outperforming you?
I bet this f2p 1 character andy gates your main =P

And how is your main just barely able to do Brel Hard? A boss that was added in April?
You are a clear example of why too many alts is a bad idea.

If you really want to convince people playing 1 character can't work then start showing the math/data.

Its always the ones that hide behind thousands of hours of game time that say "I have a friend that can do it trust me bro"

Ah, the good old "trust me, bro" approach. It's remarkably amusing to observe the lengths some people will go to in defending and fabricating arguments, only to stumble because an exception doesn't establish a rule. We've all seen it - once the well of "I'm telling you this and that" dries up, they switch gears to "Well, my friend told me this and that". As if the source of the hearsay somehow lends it more credibility!

[Kenuty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh LostArkLover:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ToiletStore:

Its always the ones that hide behind thousands of hours of game time that say "I have a friend that can do it trust me bro"

Ah, the good old "trust me, bro" approach. It's remarkably amusing to observe the lengths some people will go to in defending and fabricating arguments, only to stumble because an exception doesn't establish a rule. We've all seen it - once the well of "I'm telling you this and that" dries up, they switch gears to "Well, my friend told me this and that". As if the source of the hearsay somehow lends it more credibility!

they're also switching to "YOU SPENT ALL THAT MONEY? MY FREE FRIEND IS ABOVE YOUR CHARACTER!"

yeah uhhh how much time did he put into that character? All I do in this game is literally log on the atls and raid now, while having everything already since i put the money in it, how much time is your friend spending to level up that character vs me in mere seconds ahead of the curve with wallet.

I literally have free time to just sit around the game and troll people in feiton

[Detergent]

June 3rd I believe was the date on that image of your roster. Not that long ago.
Also you said you quit, now you're saying you honed up to 1580?
Oh my lord is that why you said you spent $10k in a previous post and now in this one you're saying $15k

Anyways, yeah... even if you did reach 1580 on 1 character, the guy I had a chat with got to 1580 without swiping and without 20 alts. I would still consider that outperforming.

[Kenuty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

June 3rd I believe was the date on that image of your roster. Not that long ago.
Also you said you quit, now you're saying you honed up to 1580?
Oh my lord is that why you said you spent $10k in a previous post and now in this one you're saying $15k

Anyways, yeah... even if you did reach 1580 on 1 character, the guy I had a chat with got to 1580 without swiping and without 20 alts. I would still consider that outperforming.

I threw an estimate at 10-15k because gave it an guess quote until I tallied up my account total spent on lost ark without actually counting up until afterwards? You realize I do buy other games too on this account besides lost ark, last I look this account itself spent over 60 thousand dollars in terms of games before sales.

June 3 was literally weeks ago, We are at june 17 now and I am on Kayangel, The amount I spent is still in reserved on gold so I am not understanding your logic and argument here, are you trying to just argue that your friend is outperforming to make people think that the logic is this game doesn't take a huge time sink investment to catch up? Stop lying to people and stop changing the subject.

There is only one clear thing here, you need to spend $$ or alot of time sink to do anything in this game, from gears, to pheons to engravings and so on, anyone telling anyone differently is lying to people if you don't believe it start a new account and see for yourself how bad.

[Detergent]

Prove it. With all the Lost Ark calculators and tools I want you to prove to me that what I have been doing and many others isn't possible

EDIT: Here you go ill get you started.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CX0Ldz6w1pALprbXAOrrnSnGO3GQQtXTyHCIwwRM4rY/edit#gid=1582967851
https://maxroll.gg/lost-ark/upgrade-calculator

Show me how i'm doing the impossible. I bet you won't.

[Kenuty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

Prove it. With all the Lost Ark calculators and tools I want you to prove to me that what I have been doing and many others isn't possible

https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/142mf3e/1460_to_1490/

Why would I need to do math when the redditors are doing it
See below pic for the amount of mats you need to reach 1490-1580

https://i.redd.it/akkan-breakdown-stop-honing-at-1580-v0-7dkvwubs48ea1.png?s=d0bb1dcb634496a9b2edc57b10f01db7ebc0200c

The amount of gold and mats alone warrants that one character can't be making that much materials+gold to cover that cost lol.

[SweetStarfieldFan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kenuty:

Diposting pertama kali oleh LostArkLover:

Ah, the good old "trust me, bro" approach. It's remarkably amusing to observe the lengths some people will go to in defending and fabricating arguments, only to stumble because an exception doesn't establish a rule. We've all seen it - once the well of "I'm telling you this and that" dries up, they switch gears to "Well, my friend told me this and that". As if the source of the hearsay somehow lends it more credibility!

they're also switching to "YOU SPENT ALL THAT MONEY? MY FREE FRIEND IS ABOVE YOUR CHARACTER!"

yeah uhhh how much time did he put into that character? All I do in this game is literally log on the atls and raid now, while having everything already since i put the money in it, how much time is your friend spending to level up that character vs me in mere seconds ahead of the curve with wallet.

I literally have free time to just sit around the game and troll people in feiton

Ah, they're playing the 'YOU SPENT ALL THAT MONEY? MY FREE FRIEND IS ABOVE YOUR CHARACTER!' card now. Interesting, isn't it? We all know the story too well. I wouldn't be surprised if their 'free' friend had secretly spent just as much money, but is choosing to stay quiet about it for extra bragging rights.

Regarding your point on the time invested in the game, it's quite valid. You put your money in and reap the benefits while their friend is still grinding. It's not just about the money or the leveling up, it's about the quality of time spent. You log in, enjoy your raids and have fun trolling in Feiton while they're busy grinding away.

Let's not forget that one person spending half their life in the game isn't a common scenario. Everyone's gaming experience is unique and just because their "friend's" managed to reach some level does not mean this is normal for everyone else.

[Kenuty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

Prove it. With all the Lost Ark calculators and tools I want you to prove to me that what I have been doing and many others isn't possible

EDIT: Here you go ill get you started.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CX0Ldz6w1pALprbXAOrrnSnGO3GQQtXTyHCIwwRM4rY/edit#gid=1582967851
https://maxroll.gg/lost-ark/upgrade-calculator

Show me how i'm doing the impossible. I bet you won't.

Noone says you can't do it, but even discord is arguing that it can't be possible without godly luck. You have to get a godly esther drop

So you're saying out of whatever left of lost ark, your friend is godly lucky enough to get an esther stone, sell it and level that one character.

He needs to also play exactly 1 year since the game released, EVERYDAY EVERY RAID EVERY GUARDIAN, EVERY EVENT.
it might be possible for a chosen few, but I doubt more than 5% can do something like this.

I am not going to get into the math as I do not have the mats given out to give you the correct estimate on the maxroll calculator at all.

But that one character isn't outperforming someone else just because he go to that point, he has NOTHING extra. The point is all that money I spent on alts, is already coming back to me.

The advice given to me is, don't tap any of my alts and push my mats onto my main
I already eclipsed your f2p by miles somehow.

[Detergent]

"EVERYDAY EVERY RAID EVERY GUARDIAN, EVERY EVENT."
You make it sound like thats a lot. You do know playing 1 character thats almost nothing right? 2 chaos/guardians every few days and 3 raids on Sunday. Also yes when you only play 1-2 characters you actually have to do events from time to time. But I think they are fun, so...
You however are probably doing 42 chaos/guardians PER DAY and 18 raids. Thats why you call it a "grind".

You also keep talking about your cards. Everyone in my guild who got 30 lights salvation early on groups up with someone who still needs it and gives them legendary card selection packs for free. Almost everyone has it by now. Sorry
Perks of being in a guild with friends I guess.

Back to the topic
You said someone playing 1 character will not make enough gold to stay on top of new content. You said 1490 to 1580.
That just happens to be when most of my guild, including myself switched to 1-2 characters so I already know its possible.
But I did the math for fun.
You think I would have said everything I said if I didn't know with 100% certainty that I'm correct? You think I would have provided the spreadsheet and tools if I didn't already do the math?
Its very important you figure it out yourself... you just ignore and deny anything I say. I want to see your honest answer now.

Here ill give you a little more help. The next steps should be easy.
1490 Kakul - September 28th, 2022
11 weeks
1500 NBrel - December 14th, 2022
17 weeks
1560 HBrel - April 12th, 2023
9 weeks
1580 Kay - June 14th, 2023

We can worry about the mats after we settle the gold issue. Baby steps.
Spoiler: You're not going to like the answer

[Kenuty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

"EVERYDAY EVERY RAID EVERY GUARDIAN, EVERY EVENT."
You make it sound like thats a lot. You do know playing 1 character thats almost nothing right? 2 chaos/guardians every few days and 3 raids on Sunday. Also yes when you only play 1-2 characters you actually have to do events from time to time. But I think they are fun, so...
You however are probably doing 42 chaos/guardians PER DAY and 18 raids.

You also keep talking about your cards. Everyone in my guild who got 30 lights salvation early on groups up with someone who still needs it and gives them legendary card selection packs for free. Almost everyone has it by now. Sorry
Perks of being in a guild with friends I guess.

Back to the topic
You said someone playing 1 character will not make enough gold to stay on top of new content. You said 1490 to 1580.
That just happens to be when most of my guild, including myself switched to 1-2 characters so I already know its possible.
But I did the math for fun.
You think I would have said everything I said if I didn't know with 100% certainty that I'm correct? You think I would have provided the spreadsheet and tools if I didn't already do the math?
Its very important you figure it out yourself... you just ignore and deny anything I say. I want to see your honest answer now.

Here ill give you a little more help. The next steps should be easy.
1490 Kakul - September 28th, 2022
11 weeks
1500 NBrel - December 14th, 2022
17 weeks
1560 HBrel - April 12th, 2023
9 weeks
1580 Kay - June 14th, 2023

We can worry about the mats after we settle the gold issue. Baby steps.
Spoiler: You're not going to like the answer

yeah no, someone just brought it up on the discord that you're bs'ing most of it, you're not outperforming someone else who has all his alts focus his mats onto his main, I might have spread my mats a bit on all my alts, but no way that you can outperform someone who pays/plays more. So therefore your friend cannot outperform me. To push to 1580 you also had to be VERY LUCKY.

Its possible you can hit 1 character to 1580 (Being super lucky with hone, getting esther drops to keep up with the inflation of gold etc), but that's as far as you're getting in terms of progression that one character, once a push comes you'll always be behind. Averaging up all those gates you make a grand total even with vykas around
304,500 thats if you followed through taking only raw gold but much less if you taken the loot boxes

Now apply that to this
https://i.redd.it/akkan-breakdown-stop-honing-at-1580-v0-7dkvwubs48ea1.png?s=d0bb1dcb634496a9b2edc57b10f01db7ebc0200c

You're still short.

now, take away engravings legendary, all your engravings, your relics, the materails you need to craft oreha stones, and then the gold you need for those gear pieces in brel you've had to taken up some of that raw gold. Along with the fact that your honing also fails and you lose some of that resources.

So again you had to be REALLY lucky or bragging that you/friend pulled this off on one character hiding that you got gold elsewhere too.


Also back on topic we are mentioning someone else who is new to the game, he's going to have to put in the same amount of effort you put in for that last year

so is it good for a new person to jump in this game?
No he/she will always be behind at all cost unless he put in the time "Since the game came out" they aren't going to give him the honing buff anytime soon.

Thus they end up fomo and having to spend hard money.

My gold is spread across all my character because of that very reason, but now that I have my return I can easily outperform any of your f2p characters the trick is
Don't hone any of my alts only use the raid free gems to get free hones, push all the mats on the main and walla

I am now outperforming you and your friend combined at a grand scale of 1585+ and still going.

Just to add that cherry on top I'll go ahead and start working on my Sidereel weapon even more.

[baone_k]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kenuty:

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

"EVERYDAY EVERY RAID EVERY GUARDIAN, EVERY EVENT."
You make it sound like thats a lot. You do know playing 1 character thats almost nothing right? 2 chaos/guardians every few days and 3 raids on Sunday. Also yes when you only play 1-2 characters you actually have to do events from time to time. But I think they are fun, so...
You however are probably doing 42 chaos/guardians PER DAY and 18 raids.

You also keep talking about your cards. Everyone in my guild who got 30 lights salvation early on groups up with someone who still needs it and gives them legendary card selection packs for free. Almost everyone has it by now. Sorry
Perks of being in a guild with friends I guess.

Back to the topic
You said someone playing 1 character will not make enough gold to stay on top of new content. You said 1490 to 1580.
That just happens to be when most of my guild, including myself switched to 1-2 characters so I already know its possible.
But I did the math for fun.
You think I would have said everything I said if I didn't know with 100% certainty that I'm correct? You think I would have provided the spreadsheet and tools if I didn't already do the math?
Its very important you figure it out yourself... you just ignore and deny anything I say. I want to see your honest answer now.

Here ill give you a little more help. The next steps should be easy.
1490 Kakul - September 28th, 2022
11 weeks
1500 NBrel - December 14th, 2022
17 weeks
1560 HBrel - April 12th, 2023
9 weeks
1580 Kay - June 14th, 2023

We can worry about the mats after we settle the gold issue. Baby steps.
Spoiler: You're not going to like the answer

yeah no, someone just brought it up on the discord that you're bs'ing most of it, you're not outperforming someone else who has all his alts focus his mats onto his main, I might have spread my mats a bit on all my alts, but no way that you can outperform someone who pays/plays more. So therefore your friend cannot outperform me. To push to 1580 you also had to be VERY LUCKY.

Its possible you can hit 1 character to 1580 (Being super lucky with hone, getting esther drops to keep up with the inflation of gold etc), but that's as far as you're getting in terms of progression that one character, once a push comes you'll always be behind. Averaging up all those gates you make a grand total even with vykas around
304,500 thats if you followed through taking only raw gold but much less if you taken the loot boxes

Now apply that to this
https://i.redd.it/akkan-breakdown-stop-honing-at-1580-v0-7dkvwubs48ea1.png?s=d0bb1dcb634496a9b2edc57b10f01db7ebc0200c

You're still short.

now, take away engravings legendary, all your engravings, your relics, the materails you need to craft oreha stones, and then the gold you need for those gear pieces in brel you've had to taken up some of that raw gold. Along with the fact that your honing also fails and you lose some of that resources.

So again you had to be REALLY lucky or bragging that you/friend pulled this off on one character hiding that you got gold elsewhere too.


Also back on topic we are mentioning someone else who is new to the game, he's going to have to put in the same amount of effort you put in for that last year

so is it good for a new person to jump in this game?
No he/she will always be behind at all cost unless he put in the time "Since the game came out" they aren't going to give him the honing buff anytime soon.

Thus they end up fomo and having to spend hard money.

My gold is spread across all my character because of that very reason, but now that I have my return I can easily outperform any of your f2p characters the trick is
Don't hone any of my alts only use the raid free gems to get free hones, push all the mats on the main and walla

I am now outperforming you and your friend combined at a grand scale of 1585+ and still going.

Just to add that cherry on top I'll go ahead and start working on my Sidereel weapon even more.

All these peeps say the same damn thing, "I have one main and free to play and I can do all the content day one". what they dont say is how many hours and how many times they got carried through all that content.

To hone from 1460 to current raid lvl is estimated at 2.5 mill gold and that is if you are being generous, so how these "free to play" plebs going to explain their 5k hours in the game to new players?

[Detergent]

Diposting pertama kali oleh baone_k:

All these peeps say the same damn thing, "I have one main and free to play and I can do all the content day one". what they dont say is how many hours and how many times they got carried through all that content.

Yes I did, multiple times in just this thread alone.
4 guardians and 4 chaos every 2 or 3 days. 6 raids on Sunday.
Never carried I play with a static. (I play 2 characters)


@Kenuty
"304,500" I'm confused by this number and how you're getting it. Its a grand total of what exactly? I think you're doing it wrong.

Starting at 1590 with the release of Kakul (September 28th, 2022)
You would raid Valtan + Vykas + Kakul, collecting the boxes from every raid.
Don't forget the Una gold and I used a pretty small number for weekly sales on the AH.
Make sure you set the correct item level for your character. Now you will see your weekly gold earned.
Now multiply that weekly income by 11 because it took 11 weeks until we got Brel - December 14th, 2022.

Now you go to maxroll and use the honing calculator (Not the infograph you keep linking)
Maxroll because you can put a value on the fusion. Use the price to craft with your farm and not tradeable mats. Thats because the farm is sufficient for 1 character.
Get the average total in gold (Including fusion) to go from 1590 to 1500.

Now subtract the amount required to hone from the amount you made in 11 weeks. Take whats remaining and add it to the next tier.

1500 Brel - December 14th, 2022
to (17 weeks)
1560 HBrel - April 12th, 2023

Repeat and keep repeating this until you get to 1580 Kayangel - June 14th, 2023

I'm eagerly awaiting your results. Have fun.
EDIT: Also I explained why new players have it easier in my first post on page 1.
EDIT2: Never said F2P outperforms whales. I said a specific F2P player with 1 character outperformed YOU in particular... and cmon, you're both sitting at the same item level doing the same boss. One of you spent $15k and the other wears an animal skin. 20 alts vs a few lopang alts.

[Kenuty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RandomHero:

Diposting pertama kali oleh baone_k:

All these peeps say the same damn thing, "I have one main and free to play and I can do all the content day one". what they dont say is how many hours and how many times they got carried through all that content.

Yes I did, multiple times in just this thread alone.
4 guardians and 4 chaos every 2 or 3 days. 6 raids on Sunday.
Never carried I play with a static. (I play 2 characters)


@Kenuty
"304,500" I'm confused by this number and how you're getting it. Its a grand total of what exactly? I think you're doing it wrong.

Starting at 1590 with the release of Kakul (September 28th, 2022)
You would raid Valtan + Vykas + Kakul, collecting the boxes from every raid.
Don't forget the Una gold and I used a pretty small number for weekly sales on the AH.
Make sure you set the correct item level for your character. Now you will see your weekly gold earned.
Now multiply that weekly income by 11 because it took 11 weeks until we got Brel - December 14th, 2022.

Now you go to maxroll and use the honing calculator (Not the infograph you keep linking)
Maxroll because you can put a value on the fusion. Use the price to craft with your farm and not tradeable mats. Thats because the farm is sufficient for 1 character.
Get the average total in gold (Including fusion) to go from 1590 to 1500.

Now subtract the amount required to hone from the amount you made in 11 weeks. Take whats remaining and add it to the next tier.

1500 Brel - December 14th, 2022
to (17 weeks)
1560 HBrel - April 12th, 2023

Repeat and keep repeating this until you get to 1580 Kayangel - June 14th, 2023

I'm eagerly awaiting your results. Have fun.
EDIT: Also I explained why new players have it easier in my first post on page 1.
EDIT2: Never said F2P outperforms whales. I said a specific F2P player with 1 character outperformed YOU in particular... and cmon, you're both sitting at the same item level doing the same boss. One of you spent $15k and the other wears an animal skin. 20 alts vs a few lopang alts.

The results don't mean anything, again discord players already calling you a bser, you haven't even posted your character, your cards, your stats none of it.

nah sorry, what takes those alts hours and hours of works days I basically outperform in mere hours of just gathering my mats up, condensing and hitting a whopping 1590 ez on my main.

No iam working on a second 1590, eventually I think i'll just 1590+ all 6 of em just to shun your so called "F2p players outperforms you sitting on the same level and that they can have the same experience bs"
Right now my main is sitting at 1590+


I hoarded up so much mats without any real use for most of em so far until now. Decided to sell off most of my costumes to further improve my sidereel weapons

Feel free to call those f2p player that are 1590+ to compare to my new main.
obviously it's not your 1580
You've been calling out those players as if they existed but we've yet to see them
Stop using these so called players as your crutches in the argument when you don't have them here and calling into the void with no proof.
You've been literally just farting into the wind for some kind of rain when we've yet to see anything.

Tell me when you find a 1590 f2p player without spending a single dime, 1 character, and has been at it since day 1

I'll wait here.
Actually scratch that going to sleep and then i'll wake up for more mat hoarding onto the main and pushing as far as I can.

[Trump Always Chickens Out]

Watching these fanboys defending LA is more fun than my first few hours in the game.
All they do is refuting with yet the results say otherwise. I've never seen any worse fanbase than LA has.