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You seem a little interested.
People still are. The ridiculous math they go through as if it means anything to people outside of their messed up bubble.
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3.213 / 5.000
look at the time of advanced honing, the costs, fixing a screen.
This is not in the planning, it is not if or but, it is already out.
+ karma system and all the rest.
They want the new players only as a "number" who also fix a screen in "paying" this vet players to also fix a screen to win the contents for them.
- This is because it has been proven that without selling bussing (boosting) you do not have enough gold
- both those who sell acquire a boosting (of gold) and those who buy acquire a boosting of (objects + game titles) and a malus of gold (other than buying the raid chest they have to pay the practice of the "bus")
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The game and its game system is based only and exclusively on this, getting extra gold from players who watch the gameplay of this vet premades who complete the content for you, this in fact its relative THE MAIN problem and structural of the game + and the lack of players is based exclusively on this.
ON THE PRACTICE OF BUSSING \ BUSSING
People want a boost? buy via the f4 key, also increase the resources they give, with 100 euros you get 250k gold, make it so that with 50 euros you get 1m gold, but ban ANY BUSSING \ BOOSTING ACTIVITY make people shop in your game shop (real money) and people do it this has been proven over and over again. , But at the same time let everyone accept everyone, and create game instances where people can play and learn the game.
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the nerfs that will come are ridiculous, because the cost of advanced honing should have been -80% and not -20%
the other "nerfs" that will come will not change anything, surely the costs of the items will remain more or less as now, and people will be able to get the same gold because the gold that they can get from the raids will also be nerfed.
I think it's all clear, that the game is based only and exclusively on the sale of extra gold that gives the practice of bussing, they also specified that they do not want to touch it, they also specified it by making the creation of boundgold only on the old contents, and in the final contents you get all the gold without any bound, so that these players can pay these players, and buy the raid chest thanks to the bound currency, which they get with the completion of the old game contents.
the "positive" thing they said is that they will continue to update the solo mode, yes but after how long? when there are 4\5 game contents missing? and then they will release 2? and update every 5-6 months?
this is madness, this is insanity
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This is a game, when in the morning you can't play. and in the afternoon nobody accepts you, bussing and boosting non-banned activities. Terrible game system and support. 11k+ hours of game player feedback
I heard that you disagree with this, Streamers \ people, are you serious, are you serious? for real??
- Really, you who don't sell bussing, do you play more than 3 raids with the same character? I only played more than 3 raids when the game came out at the beginning, (with the hope of finding cards) then I saw that the droprated was ridiculous, and I said, who makes me do it, I'm not a bot or an npc, I prefer to do something else.
- You have to do 3 raids a week and unlock everything else, doing more than 3 raids a week in addition is stupid, it only serves those who sell the practice of boosting \ bussing to do and play more than 3 raids a week with 1 character
- Do you want to play more? create a new account in a new world or a new steam account
- Otherwise rework the pvp mode of the game, implement a play again button finished every game, currently the queues of the pvp mode of the game are deserted.
If they implement this block of 3 raids per week for each character, it is very right that lends itself to bringing the game in the right direction.
How many people do you think Bus?
Do you really believe more than 1% to 5% of the total player base Busses?
Also what do you want to do with your gold? Do you want to not spend it? Its meant to be spent, these gold sink systems are there for you to spend gold, when people dont spend gold you get gold inflation as we have now, where people are sitting on gold.
I have 5 characters doing Karma, I make way more gold a week than I spend.
Also the new advance honing, I believe 21-30 is the same cost as 1-10 and 31-40 is cheaper than 11-20.
And its multiple times cheaper than honing.
These systems are fine when you dont them when they are freshly released, the issue is doing them months later, 4-6 months later....they should be nerfed at that point.
limiting characters to 3 raids is very dumb.
Not only does it not fix the Bussing issues you care so much about, seeing how players would still Bus their top 3 raids that would net them the most gold, but it would just harm everyone else.
Many people do every T4 raid a week, even if they dont get gold for them.
These raids give Destiny Stones which is used for Karma and upcoming systems.
These raids also still give base loot, the loot such as Hellfire, Scales, and Eyes can be traded in for honing mats.
You can still spend gold to buy the chest for these raids giving you mats to hon.
You can go back and do old raids suck as Kayangel to farm wings or Akkan to farm pet.
Also yes card farming, new cards come from T4 raids.
....You can help friends or mokokos do older raids.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THIS DOES NOT FIGHT BUSSING?? IF YOU ARE LESS THAN 5 OR MORE+ YOU ARE FIXED TO 3. THESE ARE NUMBERS. OBJECTIVE. FACTS.
I HAVE ALWAYS LIMITED MYSELF TO COMPLETING 3 RAIDS PER WEEK PER CHARACTER AND NEVER MORE. , So WHAT are you saying\telling. THESE ARE THE FACTS.
ALMOST NOBODY plays the old raids, very rare queues in ivory tower, kaynagel for wings, do you want wings? implement them in an npc in city.
limiting the 3 fixed raids for each character FIGHTS BUSSING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE FINALLY NEED. AND I SAY THANKS TO THE SUPPORT SYSTEM, I BOW TO YOU FOR THIS. AND I SAY THANKS TO YOU 100O TIMES.
- this is because currently:
- they still sell behemoth + thaemine content in addition to the last 3. AND WITHOUT THIS LIMITATION, IT WOULD CONTINUE ON THIS PATH
it does not ELIMINATE bussing COMPLETELY but at least it is more "Acceptable" and tolerable for those who play this game finally.
IN FACT ANY PRACTICE OF BUSSING \ BOSSING SHOULD BE BANNED
But this change is "better than nothing", WHERE THERE IS REALLY AN IMPROVEMENT AND FINALLY THEY WILL DO IT, AT LEAST THIS ONE . IT WAS ABOUT TIME.
ALWAYS infinitely BETTER than the new rules rules released by amazon games partyfinder. "RIDICULOUS" and an insult, THAT DOESN'T SERVE ANYTHING. because the instances are ALWAYS PERMA 4 active for example: behemoth and aegir.
"it's like saying don't advertise the crimes of murder but just say "they are wrong, killing is wrong" but then you don't send such people to jail and leave them free to kill. (a bit like what happens in wars without any rules and logic, only the rule of the strongest prevails)
- as currently happens within Lost Ark, whoever sells more instances of bussing and who has stopped more gold prevails THANKS TO THIS.
- If you want to keep up with content and gold YOU MUST SELL THE PRACTICE OF BUSSING OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T.
This is because people can't bring characters to 1620 and even when they get to 1640 NO ONE will accept them to play,
-this is because people can't do the 1640\1660 excessive costs and even if they manage to do it NO ONE would accept them in a group
- This ... do it NO ONE would accept them in a group
- This is because people can't do the 1 people CANNOT do 1660\1680 BECAUSE THE COSTS ARE excessive and equally no one would accept them for the latest game content without the 10x title
and it is no longer enough to have 10x title (both because you can buy the raid title thanks to "bussing"), and in addition to this and because it is required that you have: example for aegir they want you to have 5 pieces of set unlocked. , so already everything \ almost everything unlocked + overgs
- THIS is the real status and gameplay of the following game title LOST ARK.
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- - my relic books cost: Grudge 250k x20 5M + MP efficiency 38k x20 760k + hit master 100k x20 2M + Adrenaline 370k 7.4m + kbw 180k x20 3.6m = 18.76M : 232,800 it would take me 80 weeks to complete them. (without spending money on any upgrades, which is obviously not feasible)
calculating instead with the maximums that can currently be obtained without selling bussing instances, and therefore all the raid wins in hm (without going to buy your own chests and without spending money on any upgrades, which is obviously not feasible) it still takes 37 weeks.
+ base gem level 8 level 4 complete and there are others: 400x11 = 4.4m x char.
+ karma system AH and others.
So WITHOUT extra gold from bussing it is not possible to complete the game and its related upgrades and raid progression.
Watch the video and the costs of advanced honing 21-40
I have already said and listed everything, but evidently you have not read and \ or pretended.
ONLY THOSE WHO SELL BUSSING HAVE CURRENTLY COMPLETED ADVANCED HONING lvl 20 ON 6 CHAR
Those who are veterans and do not sell BUSSING have completed it only on the main char, and therefore missing on 5 characters.
If a player Vet managed to complete it on a few more characters it is because he HAD a lot of materials and resources and completed it when he was still tier3. Otherwise it is impossible without the practice and the extra golds of the bus, it is a fact, objective that is based on numbers and its relative costs.
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Relic books like legendary books when they released in T3 are whale bait...they are not for you, nor are they required to have or expected for you to have. They are something you buy when you have extra gold.
11x lv 8 gems on all your characters...most players dont even have 11 on their main, you get 2-4 for your main dps skills, or CDs if they are require. There are many 1690+ with lv 7s dmg and lv 5 cds, most do have all lv 7s. 1660-1680s will have 3-4 lv 7s and rest lv 5s
Karma doesnt cost much gold compared to how much gold you make, unless you get super unlucky its about the cost of the gold you just got from Brel every week.
Advance Honing, again its cheaper than it was in T3 and is cheaper than honing.
I make anywhere from 700k to 1.5m gold a week, without busing, from 12 hours to 24 hours a week of gameplayed time....and I am not buying relic books because I know by the time I need them they will drop in price, same with gems, why buy what you dont need, and imagine spending a ton of gold on gems and they do some type of roster gem system and they tank in price....id rather drop 800k on skins and mounts like I did last week or my stronghold, or to hon characters.
I could have a 25 weapon.... I was going to but then I talked myself out of it, why, I want the gold but I dont need the power, id get more power out of advance honing and it will be way cheaper, and the gear will be reset soon and then there will be another 25 so whats the point. The only reason I had a 25 weapon in T3 was because I pushed the button every week with bound mats and hit 22-24 under 20% then free tapped my 25 at like 11%.
Elixir + trans are FUNDAMENTAL and basic to be able to play the game, so it will be for ALL the other progression systems, ADVANCED honing, karma system books etc. and lvl 8\9 gems on each character.
Just as it was before with tier 3 for gems.
You have to look at the game in its entirety and therefore with the completion of HM and not NM.
I have already explained everything and you have not said anything objective that can contradict what I said.
, You can farm 500k gold a week as long as you have characters that can win 18 raids a week all the HM content of the game (last 3 ) , with its relative group queues.
A common and normal player is already a lot if he manages to make 200k gold a week with the weekly raids of the game.
The reality is this, yours are fantasies of a player who does not want to accept the reality, that in order to have the money you need you have to sell the practice of bussing. + in addition to completing the last 2\3 raids released in the game (which are the ones that give the most gold )
That's nice for u, yea i mean i got a 1660 and 5 1640's and 21 1600's, but it wasn't fun most of the time primarily from bad rng, extreme costs, timegated everything so i had to wait til the next week for any real progress, and i went full solo due the toxicity from wipe mechs so that i can 1 shot everything fast now even if the rewards suck.
I'm not really thinking about what the game is supposed to be like based on some letters. I know what i want in a game, and there's alot i find terrible with this game so i say it cause nothing will ever change or get better if noone says anything. Granted i know nothing changes in this game regardless, especially when people are defending the way it is and unable to see it's potential.
Imo they fool people into thinking it's ok with event passes, but to be so controlling to where the game is practically unplayable without one is bad to me. To each their own, glad u like it the way it is. Myself and thousands of others don't feel the same. Still there's nothing else that comes close as far as top down combat based on the character attack skills and the numbers poppin up from when u hit things. So it's the only option in that sense.
- It deserves zero, and deserves to be punished.
All other words are not worth anything \ are useless.
- Quello che sto provando a fare e' cercare di cambiare le cose dall'interno tramite feedback imparziali raccontando fatti e numeri.
Questo e' cio' che insegna Suzaku Kururugi
Ma la realta' e' quella che viene raccontata invece da Lelouch vi britannia , ovvero che e' da folli e pazzi cercare il cambiamento dal suo interno perche' questo e' impossibile .
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"Suzaku – Ma il tribunale è un posto in cui la verità viene svelata
Lloyd – Penso che la “verità” sia qualcosa che viene mascherato, il più delle volte
Suzaku – Se è così che va il mondo non voglio più averci nulla a che fare "
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"Una vittoria ottenuta attraverso la disonestà significa che non è affatto una vittoria." – Suzaku Kururugi
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As much as i agree and support for change. The way you type and say, feels very unrelateable to me. And almost comes off as you're glorifying your own idealogy instead of thinking about problems with he game for all players in diffident situations and it seems like you don't care for or want to hear anything outside of your belief.
Though i 100% agree that all people botting should be immediately banned permanently.
And that i think bussing is a disgusting aspect of the game. I think you continue to not think about many people who have problems due to rng, timegated low rewards for completing raids, and all that comes from these systems.
I question why u care so much about bussing, but don't speak as much about the high cost to progress vs bad rewards and timegating those rewards to progress. Forcing new and returning players to only be able to use event passes to play the game, But even more so, the core problem of that they can control anyone with or without event passes cause of timegating.
So yes ban all these things that you hate. But it seems to not help new and returning players one bit. So it seems like a very personal desire for you that doesn't help the core problems.. Yes i thnk all people should be banned that do this. But it doesn't help one bit that progress is timegated and controlled. And makes the game not fun for anyone who isn't already too deep in with their heads up their own asses to see how stupid the progression is,
You speak so heavily of information and details. But none of your reasoning seems to explain how what you want to happen will make the game actually more fun and better for most people. So it all points to some personal agenda you seem to have that i can only speculate towards. But not truly relate to or understand. I am in no way truly to say you are wrong, or i am right, or anything of the sort. I just can not relate to what you seem extremely passionate about, as the problems i feel from this game start way before anything you are talking about.
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but how come you say @Nipples you are fighting against corruption and that a change is needed to help especially new players because the game is really bad and unplayable, if you can't understand the meaning of my words I wrote and said and why I am so against any BUSSING AND BOOSTING ACTIVITY?
- and I believe that this is THE FIRST cause of the problems of the game and of everything that derives from it.
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- I never said that the game support is corrupt, I respect their work and operation, as I respect any other work. All in all its forms as long as it is legal ( in fact lost ark is legal, as is in fact whoever sells bussing \ boosting activities). (""specific this so as not to be misunderstood."")
- I simply said that if the activities of FACT are not banned bussing \ boosting activities
- So the support system of such "X" game, is: or "corrupt" or "blind" ( provided that it is written and specified in own game rules that boosting activities are banned, as in the case of Lost Ark. ) I have NEVER specified which of these 2 statements it was.
- I abandoned all the games for this reason precisely because the game support system does not ban bussing and boosting activities
example league of legends, in your opinion a player of elo master \ gm + if he plays in duoQ in a low elo rank example iron \ silver \ gold \ plt \ smerald \ d4 can't boost a player's elo and rank even up to master+ inside DuoQ? this in addition to being NOT controlled is NOT banned because he is playing a DuoQ (ridiculous)
This creates huge disruptions within the game matchmaking, because the people who boost both in DuoQ through this method, and those who "usually" enter the account of person X (they duoQ together with 2 eloboosters), and they are really a lot.
- so for every game match, you find people from DuoQ performing this unbanned practice.
-So either you practice this practice yourself to "earn", or you close your eyes not seeing this practice that exists, and continue playing on your way and even reaching rank 1 in the game, the problem is the game itself, 12 + years ago graphically and conceptually it could be there, but now? I don't want to "reward" a video game that pretends not to see. and where in fact you can't play because 98% of the champions game is "autoplay autopilot", they are turrets, 4 buttons with 4 skills, the champion roles can do everything. It's a game for 12 years + players I'm looking for a game for adults, not for children. This is why I'm here on Lost Ark.
- almost 10min or more, for each game and character preselection, + average match 30\40 min, who makes me do it? my time is not worth more?
- we are in 2025, does character preselection still exist? what? why.
this speech because if someone comes to me and asks me : can you recommend game X, when these practices exist, and YOU game support system over time only make wrong changes (updates), you do not control the DuoQ and in fact do not ban any activity of bussing \ boosting,
with what courage, with what intellectual honesty of a gamer, how can I recommend the game to you?
explain to me how I can do it. I can't do it, but maybe the streamer on duty who earns X money every month can, but I can't. i can't do this. I'm sorry and I apologize.
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i've already explained countless times why bussing \ boosting inside lost ark is wrong, just reread the comments that i've always said. But here we are again' :
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It masks the real difficulty of the game and stupid mechanics inside it
2.
it masks the few golds that are obtained by making the character progression only for Vet players and those who sell this game practice (thanks to this an impossible game is created for any NEW player) because the game is based on selling this game practice.
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It makes the game and matchmaking system toxic, because it makes the game not to be played on purpose, so that players are "forced" to buy into this gaming practice.
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if before those characters who bought the bussing were able to play the game, now it is impossible for them too, since they will have MUCH less gold than the other players, and no one would accept them in the group either.
5.
by buying the practice of bussing \ boosting, people DO NOT play, they DO NOT LEARN, they watch a "Watchparty" and people want to play with short game queues and not stare at a screen for 2\3 hours, without actually being able to play the game
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destruction and sanity of public game matchamking, what's the point of the existence of game titles? if you pay and you can win it anyway.
Acquire and win a game, if by "paying" on the bus you can win game titles simply by "paying" instead of committing and knowing the mechanics of the raid and your character.
7.
How can you say that there is no boosting? when the seller gets bonus gold every week, and the buyer wins items and raid titles thanks to his victory.
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If the bussing \ boosting activities that did not exist from DAY 1 when all players accepted the official rules of amazon game code of conduction, it was immediately seen that the amounts of gold and character progression that the game requires were impossible to obtain simply by playing and winning the contents of game raids
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If the bussing \ boosting activities that did not exist from DAY 1, the lack of support was immediately seen
10.
The monopoly of pieces \ objects \ prices and relative costs, of all objects through the possible purchase within the game action house. Thanks to the fact of acquiring extra gold every week thanks to the victory of the bussing usually the sale of 5 game raids x 6 characters = 30
- So banned bussing and boosting activities, all players would have limited gold FIXED from the weekly victory of each raid, so if this is limited the auction prices even with a high demand must necessarily drop in price.
- Because very practical example: book relics can now be obtained and purchased ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY by those who sell bussing \ boosting practices. and therefore obtain extra gold every week.
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If the bussing \ boosting activities that did not exist from DAY 1, the presence of shameful and senseless game raid mechanics was immediately seen, RIGHT NOW that you win such game raids only because thanks to your organized team you played for 3/4/5 days in a row without ever stopping to go and learn this sequence of raids by heart, and not because they are difficult, but simply because you can only know it by learning this sequence by heart.
How do you move a piece on the board "chessboard", without being able to see the move your enemy makes? impossible
where is the skill in this? the fun? the real challenge? skill.
that's why people have abandoned the game. But you are all too blind to be able to ability'to see this.
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after having listed all these problems, how can you NOT say that the main problem is NOT in fact THE FACT that this practice of bussing \ boosting is not banned?????
because the problems that people encounter me, you and many others, related to "excessive" costs, new players etc. These players vet IN FACT do not encounter in having ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS.
these are facts, well demonstrable objective, that are based on numbers.
I could post tons of screenshots of people who have 5 relic books max + lvl 10 gems in their character, to add validity to what I'm saying and arguing, showing objective evidence and facts, but I can't upload any photos here.
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People have decreased thanks to the fact that now it is evident that the game to be "played" requires enormous amounts of gold, which before in tier3 was always required, but was not never be so "evident" like this , right now to be able to play the game.
- So how do some vet players have everything unlocked?
Thanks to organized game groups, winning every week of the last 2/3 game contents released (impossible for a new player) + selling non-banned bussing \ boosting activity' "unbanned" (impossible for a new player) and in the open and knowledge of these game practices and game status, how can I in total intellectual honesty as a gamer be able to recommend the game? and NOT say that the FIRST MAIN CAUSE and consequence of all the negative status of the game is not the bussing \ boosting activity not banned?
but I've already explained all of this too.
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Yes there is a time limit and this IS RIGHT and must remain so, this is the strong point of the game, its uniqueness and its beauty.
- Daily quests that are easy to do and fast, the problem is the adventure islands every day, they should be reworked and leave the exclusive of only the drop of the isle soul, the prizes such as cards \ gold move to other contents, example: add them to the reward of chaos gate \ field boss.
- In addition there are the weekly raids of the game, with their relative prizes that are blocked at 3x week per character, for a maximum of 6 characters per week (for this reason the obligation to have 6 characters)
- some "streamers" have said that this "time block" is wrong, pure madness and insanity to say \ think this.
- If there wasn't this block of 3x raids per week, people would always spam only the latest game content (i.e. the one that gives the most gold) instead once the 3 raids are finished that's it, then you can do something else.
- The problem is the lack of other modes, such as pvp.
you don't have to feel obligated to be able to complete everything, (for example when a new game content raid comes out that you have to learn, or the creation of new characters) a person can very well manage to play where he arrives, as long as there is a reset every week, and this is THE BEAUTIFUL of the game, THIS IS NEEDED AND IS ESSENTIAL so that the gold funds between players CAN be balanced and NOT an infinite farm of gold and NON-stop objects farming (without this block every week that already happens thanks to the sale of bussing \ boosting)
- For this reason, once again, the FIXED LIMITATION of entry for raids is needed, blocked at 3 per character and no more.
IN ADDITION to the banned of any bussing \ boosting activity-
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- if I still comment and because in addition to the fact that I like Lost Ark as a game and conceptually, in fact it is not a game for children but for an adult audience (what I am looking for), in fact I find that it is still possible to intervene and make the right changes.
If, however, such changes do not arrive and I believe that we have reached a "point of no return" I will stop giving feedback and playing the game, as I have already done several times in the past.
- But usually instead of trying to solve the problems and/or make the right changes, people say, "uninstall it and stop playing"
yeah.
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What I expect from the game system and its related changes to make the game playable both for a new player and for a vet player who is in the "like me" situation so without mokoko icon (when this event will no longer be there) and for all those players who do not sell bussing \ boosting activities, and for all those players who do not have a fixed organized group team.
- So what must be brought to the game, I have always written and said during this whole "debate" and in addition to that everything is already written and they are all written at the beginning of when I created this discussion of mine almost more than 3 weeks ago.
- I would like to avoid copying and pasting since it is enough to go to the beginning and read "the game is in a DISGUSTING state."
I can still write the main points in order of importance :
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banned any bussing \ boosting activity
2
Entry limitation for each character to 3 FIXED game raids per week
3
for character upgrades and progression: nerf gold \ cost \ resources \ item numbers \ + destruction progression raid rng mechanics from the weekly game raids.
4
SoloMode
equal content + equal game mechanics + added HM difficulty + same awards \ gold
thanks.