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Personally i love playing it more like a solorpg which u can do for hundreds of hours on a character and as bad as all the annoying rng systems to progress there are. They don't get bad until around ilvl 1600. However, due to game design by making 90% of the game obsolete to push people to swipe for end game, there's pretty much noone to play with until ur character is really strong and atleast ilvl 1660 i'm guessing if u wanna get accepted into a party. with the exception of some guardian raids.
Since gold earnings are locked out after 3 raids a character on up to 6 of them. People gatekeep hard due to wanting quick reliable clears and won't accept people who don't look the part in party finger. Even though the rewards vs cost of progression is really bad, it's the main weekly source of gold which is required to progress.
Everything is timegated also so u can't grind to catch up even if u wanted to. Just make ur 6 characters, do ur 18 raids, along with dailies etc. and then wait til next week before u can get more gold to keep dealing with the miserable multiple rng systems which are the only way to lvl and progress with no other options. Or swipe obscene amounts. 100's barely helps, thousands will get just 1 character some what caught up. If playing with other people is your main goal.
I wouldn't look at this game like an mmo, There's a couple mmo aspects like field bosses and chaos gates but they last 5 minutes and then ur locked out til the next day that they can be done. The main raids at end game are more forced group content to progress with locked 4 and 8 people. Noone matchmakes due to jail lobbies cause of raid wipe mechs and the raids being extremely punishing towards the whole group if 1 person makes a mistake and with no options to revive. People make party finders but there are A LOT of requirements u gotta spend months of playing 100+ hours a week to realistically get if u wanna get accepted.
Though there's events so the game can control people with how and when they play to push forwards or get accepted into groups easier as a new or returning lesser experienced player. But most people will join a bunch of discords, while studying guides and watching vids on how to do all the raids and learning proper lost ark lingo to fake friend ur way into groups in hopes of being accepted. DO NOT have original thoughts or opinions that are different from others if u wanna do group content. This is the worst hostile, unfriendly community.
The last 3 newest raids are group content only. But there's like 9 other raids u can solo. There's also like 10-15 even older raids but those are group content also, and they nerfed the rewards so hard while also making it so u earn nothing from it at certain levels on top of gold earning caps and timegating so noone will do them anymore. Also considering they keep putting out event passes where u start at ilvl 1585 which makes old content even more of a cemetery despite those raids being extremely fun.
Gluck!
Chores:
Chaos dungeons are a chore that you do every day because you have to, so I would not count that as content.
Guardian raids, I don't mind doing them, but for 90% of the community is also a chore that you have to do. So I don't count that as content either.
Content:
Apart from those 2 activities there are very limited activities that you can do in the game, the most popular one would be the weekly raids (legion raids and khazeros raids). You can do solo raids up to 1620(Echidna). While solo raids are fun the first time around they are.. easy, very easy, extremely easy, its a joke how easy the solo raids are compared to their multi-player counter part are. Therefor in about 2 weeks time you will have nothing to do and have to move to multi-player raids.
AAAAAND here comes the fun part... as new player (someone that is not caught up yet) you will not play the game. What you will do instead is: You will BEG veterans to bestow upon you the 'accept' to raid with them. Even veteran players with 'not so properly geared' alts are having trouble getting into raids. So your experience will be: waiting 1-2h in lobby simulator to get into a raid that you will complete in 20 min max.
And you want to know the even funnier part? The most recent raids are easy, very easy, even if you, as a new player (not caught up yet) fail on first mechanic and die, the people will still carry the raid without you. They don't need you to be caught up for them to clear it in a decent time frame. But they will still ask you to be extremely over geared for the raid. Why is that, you might ask? Idk... Nobody knows. My best guess is that they hate the game so bad they want to see the servers shut down as soon as possible so they can move on with their lives. Either that or they are simply the most toxic 'community' in gaming. If you can even call community an entity that cannibalize itself.
AAAAND wrong with mokoko event you get invited on every party looking for mokoko
Mokoko event will become permanent as well
Oh yea, try apply with mokoko leaf to parties 4-5 weeks into the event, once everybody completed their shop already, see how well that works for you.
I swear, those addicts would say anything to justify their toxicity
Pretty much, i have like 3 or 4 of them blocked on steam cause i realized nothing they say is worth reading.
Final Fantasy XIV is a very different MMO compared to Lost Ark,
the only main similarities is the theme park-style and very difficult Endgame content.
Well said.
And again I swear people like to make up lies to make their argument stronger. Go into the game and you still see everyone accepting mokokos and as the mokoko feature becomes permanent so will the shop rewards change to make the system work better, not only that but the shop has weekly items that restock so you want to always bring mokokos to your parties. But go on keep hating on a good system for new players XD let alone how you get free LoS24 with current event or literally free LoS30 if you played the game before and came back.
One of the best features for new players but the haters want to ignore it xD
Just go on and ask any new player that actually plays the game and they will tell you now they can actually get into raids because of mokoko system.
This is such a lie it's unbelievable how can people still keep lying to peoples questions. The true gatekeepers are the ones in this forum who don't play the game but also try to gatekeep others from trying the game to see if they like it for them selfs by spreading misinformation/lies. But go on keep letting this game live rent free. 3 years now and they are still here hating on the game xD
Yea, i wish i could switch to that. But it's not even a top down game, controls are different, camera angles... and lost ark isn't even really an mmo. Just faked forced small groups as the only way to progress at end game cause the game is limiting and controlling while making it way worse than it's potential to cater to some of the worst humans on earth that make up one of the most toxic and unfriendly communities. Luckily there soloraids, so u can atleast treat it like a solorpg blended with a casino for a bit.
So, you, someone that for sure does not have the leaf, is telling me, someone that has it, what problems I'm facing in the game... Yeah, sounds legit and totally makes sens.
I see you are so in love with this game that it does not make sense to argue with you anymore.
I'll just let you know that people like you are the sole reason this game barely scratches 15k top ccu anymore. I'm not hating on the mokoko event, I even think it is a good addition to the game, actually it was the reason I decide to return to the game, the first few weeks of the event were as you said, now it not anymore in fact now people use that mokoko leaf as instant decline flag.
I can now see why Nipples mentioned before he has people like you blocked, I'll follow his lead. Good luck further into killing the game you love so much.
P.S.: Do not forget, there are no problems with Lost Ark. Its a perfect game, anyone that says otherwise is lying, does not even play the game and is hating for no reason.
Heh, yea i tried to be reasonable and friendly, but if u do anything other than shut your brain off and mindlessly follow/ agree they'll be hostile. No point in talking to people like that cause deep down they don't actually care about the game becoming better and more fun for people.
They're against things like removing timegating cause even though that doesn't hurt them in anyway, does not remove what they've gained, and does not force them to change when, or how they play at all. They don't like the idea of others being able to catch up and have fun by playing more cause their "lead" is their life identity perhaps.
I dunno. But it doesn't make sense to me why the remaining vet addicts try so hard to force some sense of competition in a pve game where you have to work together to progress. It's like it's a pve game where the long time addicts want it to be a pvp. but through pve means, by pushing for less change so they can keep their status by hoping things don't change so others can't catch up by playing. It's such a weird toxic thing they made up and try to hold onto.
Once new content releases that is the content the majority plays, and so if you are not caught up with them then you cannot play or enjoy the game, sometimes you cannot even progress in the game, outside of paying money or waiting for events / new expansion.
Then theres the factor of being under geared.
It might be easy to catch up to "endgame" but you then need gear, and to do the content to get the gear players require you to already have the gear or to have done the fight before on another character etc.
With FFXIV the issues you where seeing is likely from players requiring you to have 720 gear for 710 content and then 730 gear for 720 content
With 7.2 I believe its the Quetzali gear will be "easier" to get, no more weekly timegated content.... wait Lost Ark isnt the only game with timegated content, weird.
but it will just shift again, now the issue will be 730 and 740 gear and people requiring 730 to do 720 content and 740 to do 730 content.
You see the same thing in WoW in fact its worst because you also need to meet a DPS requirement on top of having the listed gear to join the party
Anyways for Lost Ark.
So Lost Ark an old style MMORPG, there no handholding like many other MMORPGs have shifted to, so they can attract more casuals players, to get that $40-$60 for the game and or $10 to $15 a month sub on top of $20 to $60 DLC out of as many people as possible.
The game is grindy and timegated so theres only so much you can grind a day/week, and out side of Solo Raids that were added to allow players to progress through older dead content, theres no easy mode or version of the raids outside of the two modes that release.
The events in lost ark to catch you up, dont catch you up to the newest content raid wise, they do story wise.
In the past they did an okay job of getting you close to "endgame" but the last 2 really 3 have been very poor. They dont even get you into the new "expansion" Tier 4 without you having to have vast knowledge...a Vet can reach T4 from the event in around 3 to 4 weeks which is still way to long, id expect it to take a new player 6 to 8 weeks to do the same if they were somewhat following guides.
Then theres the issue of having gear.
At 1640 "T4" this wasnt really an issue expect Lost Ark is now in that phase again like FFXIV was where even tho the raids are lv 1620 to 1630, and 1640 used to be fine, now players are requiring you to have 1650/1660 gear, which is not needed.
This wouldnt be an issue if people just made groups and invited people of their lv but for whatever reason most people dont, they dont want to play with people of their own lv, or newer players.
There is an event tho that helps new players get into raids as mention before which is the Mokoko Boot camp, it gives you a leaf and people see it and invite you without question. This doesnt meant you wont get kicked fro ma raid for not knowing the fight, or thinking you can just go in blind having not even looked at a guide. If you go in clueless or have never done it but watched a video / read a guide and dont mention as much, yeah you will likely get kicked for not saying anything.
But it does get you into the raid even tho you are clearly a new player, do no dmg, and have no gear.
I got 3 friends who came back to the game and they have no issues joining parties. Do I really need to be a leaf player to ask my friends how's the raiding situation in getting into parties? and you can also see in party finder how many parties have a leaf. Everyday there is leafs every party looking for one.
Ah yeah I'm the sole reason why ''this game barely scratches 15k top ccu anymore'' when in fact I'm doing more for the community by accepting people into my raids that are on ilvl and mokokos too sure, and teaching some people on how to do better and all that kind of stuff. What have you done for the community? Nothing but probably only complain like Nipples he does nothing but complain all day, finds even solo raids too hard, blames it on the game then gets mad at people for saying everything he keeps saying is just fully wrong. Can you believe it he wants power progression without doing the raids in a Raiding/Bossing MMORPG? You can tell this must be the first MMORPG in their life. You can see he is complaining even about class engravings when now in fact the engraving system got a huge QoL but on his mind it's worse now even tho he got stronger.
P.S.: I never said the game is perfect but nice strawman and I actually complain/give feedback to the devs on the correct stuff, not some bozo complaining that he can't progress because he is not good enough to do even solo raids like Mr Nipples here.
People just want everything without playing the game nowadays, then maybe vertical progression MMORPG's aren't for them. Go play Guild Wars 2 if that's case or if playing with other people is not something you want to do and just want to play solo all day and still have vertical progression then try Maplestory instead. I mean you can also play Lost Ark solo by only doing solo raids and wait till they add next tier of solo raids too.
I've contemplated quitting many times but not over about what the some doomposters keep saying that have been posting for 3 years now in these steam forums. A lot of them don't even play the game they are just trying to gatekeep people from trying the game.
Like looking at your post how a new player can't get into parties that's being very dishonest. You do know mokoko bootcamp is here to stay right? It's not gonna be temporary they wanna make it permanent.
Also it's a MMORPG try to socialize and actually join a active guild / make friends / make a static party that is on same progression as you. I never understood why people don't try to play with others on same ilvl progression wise. Sadly this is nothing new the same thing happens in WoW. MMORPGs are best played with friends/static party.
Here's some current bad things from the top of my head if you really think that I think the game is perfect:
1580-1620 for some reason still didn't get nerfed it's easier to go from 1640 to 1660 than 1580-1620 and that's ridiculous
We are probably getting advanced honing nerfs before they even nerf 1580-1620 normal honing.
Current progression event for a new character/below 1640 is very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ probably the worst one they ever made. The challenge event should have gave a lot more mats to get a new character to 1620.
The t4 wasn't a real reset like t2 to t3 was, I also dislike that they added a new tier of book engravings without the supply being there. T4 gems I'm kinda neutral, in T4 most of your damage comes from the new skills like T and Z and hyper awakening that you can't even use gems for so it's not even that important to have high gems compared to T3, even if gems aren't as important as before if I still see people who only have lvl 5/6 gems and not even like some lvl 7s on important skills I won't invite them for +1670 content.
I think nerfing gold in older raids sucks, I don't see a reason why they nerf older content so much, instead of lowering the gold they could just keep it all bound.
I think solo raids should have a higher solo raid difficulty with better rewards. Solo raids being 2-3 raids behind is fine in my opinion but I wouldn't be against it being 1 raid behind.
Class balance is too slow and for some reason the newer class is always broken OP on release.
I dislike that AGS is back to delaying new content again and it's just doing a copy/pasta of RU for next upcoming content. It was understandable to delay Brelshaza to not be released during christmas but why are we getting more delays now? Unless they are trying to wait for alts to catch up to upcoming content who knows...
The 6 gold character roster kinda sucks but the game is still very playable even if you only play 1 character. I see some people who only play 1 character but have 5 other characters just for solo raids and are still keeping up just fine with latest raids of the game. However it would be cool if there was a Lost Ark version based around only having 1 character, you could still have more characters but you couldn't use extra characters to boost your main or other characters they would be just very optional, also no trading in this version like Reboot Maplestory. But it's probably too late for that.
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But somehow I'm saying the game is perfect in my posts? I'm more against dishonesty and people spreading misinformation nothing to do about game being perfect.
You in example are very dishonest when you tell the OP that you can't get into raids as a new player when we have Mokoko Bootcamp.
Also one last thing Gatekeeping will always exist in a pugging environment for any MMORPG and this is fact. I dislike gatekeeping but I understand why it happens but I just deal with it, I have more than 30 years with MMORPG experience. Best tip is to avoid pugging in any MMORPG and find people to play with or join guilds that are recruiting, you know socializing is important in these kind of games. The best thing in a MMORPG is having a static party who progresses together and it's also the most fun way to play with these kind of games.