Pay to progress or pay for convenience is not P2W

[ItsJustT0m]

Go look at warframe same thing. you pay to accelerate the game. but nothing is locked behind a paywall that will give you an advantage other than progressing faster.

paying for progress faster isnt p2w because time isnt an advantage.

and cus of multiple post that said so. i am not putting a single cent on this game. not even for cosmetics

[Bladeslayer]

You are still probably end up paying more than the game is worth either way. People complain about the prices of games these days but some still end up doing this. The same companies want to get as much money out of you as possible if its PTW or convenience.

[ItsJustT0m]

Originally posted by Bladeslayer:

You are still probably end up paying more than the game is worth either way. People complain about the prices of games these days but some still end up doing this. The same companies want to get as much money out of you as possible if its PTW or convenience.

exept you dont have to spend 1 cent in this game. if you end up paying thats you. not the game

[Caz]

Paying for any sort of advantage is literally Pay To Win. The only reason someone gets offended by a game being called P2W is if they have a guilty conscience for paying to win. Notice whales never try to claim a P2W game is not P2W. Because they're fine with it being P2W.

Stop trying to claim this is not P2W. It is. Get over it.

[ItsJustT0m]

Originally posted by Caz:

Paying for any sort of advantage is literally Pay To Win. The only reason someone gets offended by a game being called P2W is if they have a guilty conscience for paying to win. Notice whales never try to claim a P2W game is not P2W. Because they're fine with it being P2W.

Stop trying to claim this is not P2W. It is. Get over it.

So warframe is p2w now? cus its the same. you pay to accelerate.

[SkyFlash]

Yes, pay2accelerate and pay2progress is like the definition of pay2win.

[Grimmz]

no competitive advantage = no p2w

pvp is the only competition that matters and paying doesn't affect it.

case closed.

[HighLanderPony]

It's pay to lose.

[LegacyXI]

It's impressive how far people will go to try and justify the game they play isn't p2w. Just because a game is p2w does not mean it is bad or somehow not fun to play.

[Caz]

Originally posted by Tom:

Originally posted by Caz:

Paying for any sort of advantage is literally Pay To Win. The only reason someone gets offended by a game being called P2W is if they have a guilty conscience for paying to win. Notice whales never try to claim a P2W game is not P2W. Because they're fine with it being P2W.

Stop trying to claim this is not P2W. It is. Get over it.

So warframe is p2w now? cus its the same. you pay to accelerate.

Yes. ANY sort of advantage. What part of that is unclear?

[Danson]

Lol the only people who are defending the microtransactions are the ones that are going to shell out hundreds of dollars. You say you can do everything for free but you won't.

[haggy409]

ofc its p2w

[Kyutaru]

At least Warframe is doable. Have fun with your limited number of Phoenix Plumes.

I guess Genshin Impact can rest easy knowing that whales aren't really paying to win, they're just paying to progress faster.

Heck, almost every mobile game fits that description. Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes isn't pay to win at all. It might take you 9 months to 2 years to get what that guy got in 5 seconds and the content will scale to the point that when you finally do achieve it then it will be useless and no longer meta viable thereby enabling actual advantages being locked behind a paywall but hey I'm sure that never happens in any game with constant updates.

[Grimmz]

Originally posted by Danson:

Lol the only people who are defending the microtransactions are the ones that are going to shell out hundreds of dollars. You say you can do everything for free but you won't.

they only pay for time. you know to skip the boring stuff.

[ItsJustT0m]

Originally posted by SkyFlash:

Yes, pay2accelerate and pay2progress is like the definition of pay2win.

nope. go read the definition. something has to be locked behind a paywall. Time isnt something that can be locked behind a paywall.

[tmaddox]

I have heard decent arguments on both sides of this argument.

It is one of those phrases that people interpret different and then get upset with anybody who does not agree with their definition.