What's a great MMO out there that's not P2W?

[TimeLord]

A lot of shade on LA and other MMO games that are pay to win. What other MMO games are available in 2024 that aren't P2W or P2P?

[iR0FL]

2024 every MMO is in one way P2W sooooo chose the one you like the most I guess?

[DontEatSmurfs]

Originally posted by TimeLord:

A lot of shade on LA and other MMO games that are pay to win. What other MMO games are available in 2024 that aren't P2W or P2P?

its really pick your poison by the end of the day, if zizaran says POE is p2w because of all the QOL you can buy anything can be P2W, the issue is how much it affects you

[Kyota]

Hate to break it to ya but they all are P2W...to a degree.

Here's a general rule of thumb: if the game has an in-built cash shop - it's 100% P2W.

MMO's are never going to peak like they used.

Look for another genre altogether is my advice, unless you like P2W of course.

[MASTERNIKOFTW]

free to play with no p2w? dont think there is an mmo like that.

wish i could invest more time into ff14 pay to play and there doesn't seem to be gear progression that could be advanced with irl money to in game money.

[Grimmz]

i used to be proud playing classic wow and say theres no p2w..

well, technically theres none since the game itself is not selling power.
but... yeah theres always a but.. there are a ton of bots that sell the gold and the company has no solution to fight against them. everyone buys gold. even in hardcore everyone buys gold.

i don't think it matters one bit whether its the game itself selling power or a 3rd party.
the end result is the same, its unfair and its cheating.

theres no mmo that doesn't have this problem as long as theres player trading or some form of auction house, someone is always buying with a currency they shouldn't be buying with.

[Percello]

Depends on what type of MMO you're looking for. There's a game like Guild Wars 2 for a fantasy type MMO. And then there's a game like City of Heroes: Homecoming for a superhero MMO. CoH is F2P and doesn't have a shop. It's completely donation based. Guild Wars 2's core game is F2P, but it does have a shop and isn't P2W.

[Kafre]

Originally posted by TimeLord:

A lot of shade on LA and other MMO games that are pay to win. What other MMO games are available in 2024 that aren't P2W or P2P?

Path of Exile.

[ZombieBallerina]

LO is NOT p2w its p2progress. So many people doesnt understand it ... And you can achieve EVERYTHING without cashing. Just do something instead of crying. Lo is not a sprinter, you need stamina.

[DontEatSmurfs]

Originally posted by Kafre:

Originally posted by TimeLord:

A lot of shade on LA and other MMO games that are pay to win. What other MMO games are available in 2024 that aren't P2W or P2P?

Path of Exile.

POE is not an MMO tho...saying that POE is the same as LA is extremely shallow, just because they have skills and are isometric are they the same ?

[caliope]

Originally posted by DontEatSmurfs:

Originally posted by Kafre:

Path of Exile.

POE is not an MMO tho...saying that POE is the same as LA is extremely shallow, just because they have skills and are isometric are they the same ?

it's not an mmo but LA is a mmo action game and POE at least covers one of the defining things ;)

Nevertheless, basically, to answer the OP there is ESO. The question was if there is an mmo that is f2p and not p2w and that would be ESO, but you can't access all the content for free.

[caliope]

Originally posted by Grimmz:

i used to be proud playing classic wow and say theres no p2w..

well, technically theres none since the game itself is not selling power.
but... yeah theres always a but.. there are a ton of bots that sell the gold and the company has no solution to fight against them. everyone buys gold. even in hardcore everyone buys gold.

i don't think it matters one bit whether its the game itself selling power or a 3rd party.
the end result is the same, its unfair and its cheating.

theres no mmo that doesn't have this problem as long as theres player trading or some form of auction house, someone is always buying with a currency they shouldn't be buying with.

I can't agree. buying ingame stuff with real money from bots is definitely not pay to win, it's py to be banned.

[Huitzo Mantequilla!]

you can't , rpg are dead full of bots/p2w/RMT.
just like fps are full of cheaters.

[FOOD]

Like many have said,

many Games today are "Technically" Pay2Win in one way or another.

HOWEVER, there is a BIG difference between "Technically" and DIRECTLY selling Player-Power/Progression.

Mainstream (Subscription) Games tends to have the most fair model, and are usually the cheapest to play in the long-run.

If you're looking for a fair MMORPG in general I recommend: Final Fantasy 14.

I personally have over 10 000 hours in it, and done all content it has to offer.

[✪ M1ngo -iwnl- 🐲]

Originally posted by Luela:

LO is NOT p2w its p2progress. So many people doesnt understand it ... And you can achieve EVERYTHING without cashing. Just do something instead of crying. Lo is not a sprinter, you need stamina.

good joke :)

[✪ M1ngo -iwnl- 🐲]

In your answer there is some truth when you say that Lost Ark Need Starmina I 100% agree when you say that you can do all the content without spending money I agree 100% but when you say that the game is not pay to win ... You should revisit the concept of pay to win... If you spend real money to buy LVL 10 Card Gems or What Ever to have a better chance of killing a boss it's pay to win