Is Lost Ark pay 2 win?

[Nightbjorn]

To put it simply. No.

In order to win at something you must compete, there has to be a way to gauge a winner and a loser. In Lost Ark the competitive PvP Arena is normalized, meaning no gear/bonuses you obtain either from dungeons, quests, or the CASHSHOP will affect your character's stats in this Arena. Thus, not pay 2 win.

Just because you're favorite WoW YouTubers/Streamers are finally abandoning that sinking ship and coming over to Lost Ark doesn't change the fact above. So give up on trying to spread this "FUD".

This game, like every other game coming out, has "Pay 2 be Snazzy", you can't use anything you obtain in the competitive arena...

PS. Go $AMC !!!!

[Elenoe]

Publicado originalmente por Junker-2047-:

Not really. Paying to bypass thousands of hours of grind sounds like pay to win to me.

but it's not a game's trait. It's players fault because some obviously chose get paid to loose when they've put upgrade items on the market.

Just because the game has in-game auction system where you can instantly get equipment/mounts/pets/things instead of running the dungs/raids yourself, do you consider it P2W?

That's the beauty of market. It doesn't create or loose any resources. It only moves them from people who have resources but don't need them to people who have some use for them. It's always just a trade.

You know, just like many people simply pay for food instead of growing everything for themselves in "fair way".

[Elenoe]

Publicado originalmente por donttouchmyhohos:

Is the pvp level capped or do you learn abilities sooner? You "pay2fast" is p2w, I like to race to max level or clear content first. If someone can buy that advantage, then it is 100% p2w

then you have a problem because every game with auction house is P2W for you and threats your holy goal. But if I were you I would start quickly on some plan to nuke Korea, because those experienced bastards will go over to new servers and you will stand no chance anyway.

[CRYPTiCEXiLE]

all i can say this game is fun and im having fun ... havn't paid a dollar and just having fun yeah great game :)

[Barick]

Publicado originalmente por lkal_ell:

Publicado originalmente por suqd:

Let me put it this way... to get all gear on 1 character to +25, you'd need to farm gold on 5+ alts every day and transfer it all to your main. Or you could buy gold with real money and get +25 instantly. It takes thousands of dollars to get enough gold to +25 everything...
Open world PvP is not normalized, so you WILL see p2w guilds dominating in the PvP zones.
Non-open world PvP is normalized though.

You are saying yourself that it is not pay2win... You're saying it's pay2fast.

Pay2win and Pay2fast are very different....

I hate the argument you tried to make. Pay 2 fast as you call it is PTW, it's the same thing, going by your definition of PTW there are barely any PTW games out there because it's normal for the FTP players to advance their characters over time.

Just because a game is considered PTW does not right away make it toxic, stop over defending the game with that nonsense when it does not even need it.

IDK much about World PvP and the like but with the way arena games work I'm fairly happy with the game and I'm pretty anti PTW after spending my teens playing PWI and other Asian MMO's. From what I have seen the game is PTW, but it does not matter. It looks like a great game and some whale should not really effect me from what I have seen so far like with other PTW games.

[¥aeko]

Publicado originalmente por lkal_ell:

If you do not understand the difference between P2W and P2F, it is because you have not played any P2W.

To be fair, the borders are fluid with P2W and P2P.

Realistically, Lost Ark is Pay2Win in Guild Wars if your Guild gets the good gear faster than others due to them having more raid-runs etc. (Afaik, Guild Wars are not normalized... correct me if I am wrong.)

So, you can pay 2 progress, which gives you an actual advantage for a certain amount of time, which helps you win - so its pay2win "in disguise".

But thats the only part of the game that comes into my mind where one can argue that its p2w.

[N'Zoth]

Publicado originalmente por ¥aeko:

Publicado originalmente por lkal_ell:

If you do not understand the difference between P2W and P2F, it is because you have not played any P2W.

To be fair, the borders are fluid with P2W and P2P.

Realistically, Lost Ark is Pay2Win in Guild Wars if your Guild gets the good gear faster than others due to them having more raid-runs etc. (Afaik, Guild Wars are not normalized... correct me if I am wrong.)

So, you can pay 2 progress, which gives you an actual advantage for a certain amount of time, which helps you win - so its pay2win "in disguise".

But thats the only part of the game that comes into my mind where one can argue that its p2w.

Publicado originalmente por ¥aeko:

Publicado originalmente por lkal_ell:

If you do not understand the difference between P2W and P2F, it is because you have not played any P2W.

To be fair, the borders are fluid with P2W and P2P.

Realistically, Lost Ark is Pay2Win in Guild Wars if your Guild gets the good gear faster than others due to them having more raid-runs etc. (Afaik, Guild Wars are not normalized... correct me if I am wrong.)

So, you can pay 2 progress, which gives you an actual advantage for a certain amount of time, which helps you win - so its pay2win "in disguise".

But thats the only part of the game that comes into my mind where one can argue that its p2w.

GvG isn’t pay to win tho… Hardcore players on KR stomp the ever loving **** out of Whales in GvG and Island PvP.
And neither of those modes matter really. GvG rewards are pretty trash and everyone gets the same rewards on Island PvP regardless if they win or not.

[¥aeko]

Publicado originalmente por N'Zoth:

GvG isn’t pay to win tho… Hardcore players on KR stomp the ever loving **** out of Whales in GvG and Island PvP.

My argument was about "for a time", the specific timeframe is:

- until the skilled/hardcore players did catch up

After a while this issue wont matter anymore, true - doesnt invalidate the temporary p2w problem though. (I dont really care about that, but I cant deny it either)

And neither of those modes matter really. GvG rewards are pretty trash and everyone gets the same rewards on Island PvP regardless if they win or not.

A gamemode not being important is no argument, if its in the game and you can be (temporary) be better equipped than others by paying, its p2w, regardless of how important said feature is.

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Realistically, I dont think this will be an issue, but I am also not going to deny that it will be there for a while.

EDIT: My intention is not to hate on the game or so, I just wanted to point at the only one thing that can qualifies as p2w.

[Godshand13]

Yes it is. You have to spend at least 100 trillion dollars to upgrade your stuff to max. It's why the national debt for the countries that already have Lost Ark have exploded in the last couple years. Nations have devoted the entirety of their economies to farming in Lost Ark. Smilegate is now so rich and powerful they have started colonizing other planets and are working on expanding the game into alien territories. The singularity has already happened. It's call Lost Ark, and the AI gods are pleased.

I don't about you, but I am looking forward to the Soulfist....

[Dex]

n order to win at something you must compete

So i can't "win" a single player game then? Interesting

[Katzh]

Publicado originalmente por Gecko:

n order to win at something you must compete

So i can't "win" a single player game then? Interesting

no, you can complete, finish, but not win.
At least in my language I never ever say I win Fallout 4, or I win Super Mario..

[Betelgeuse]

So, do the purchases make it easier to win?

[N'Zoth]

Publicado originalmente por Betelgeuse:

So, do the purchases make it easier to win?

Publicado originalmente por Betelgeuse:

So, do the purchases make it easier to win?

Objectively Meh. You’re kinda capped at what you can do in a day.
Speaking purely about KR you can buy stuff with irl money that lets you auto complete your dailies, which is how you progress in the game. It’s not cheap.

So you can pay to not play the game, where free to play players can just take a few hours to do all their dailies across all their alts and be done. Most people in KR don’t use the daily skip items as P2W. It’s mostly for if you’re incredibly busy and don’t have time with work, life, health and just want to keep up with your guild mates.

Where does it matter? It doesn’t. It might give you a slight advantage in island pvp and GvG but Guilds of whales get stomped everyday in KR by better players in these game modes. The advantage is so slight it doesn’t really translate.
Some PvE content normalizes players gear and skills and almost all PvP content does. The PvP content where it doesn’t equalize players you’ll be getting ganked by sweaty try hards more than whales. And again that doesn’t matter at all for pvp islands because everyone gets the exact same rewards win or lose.
And if I grind the game like I plan to, I want to feel my work pay off somewhere. Instead of it getting equalized everywhere.

The advantages you get for paying money in the game are so minimum and only temporary.

As for super competitive stuff like World firsts, it doesn’t matter. KR are going to invade the Western servers just like they did with Russia, speed run the game, and claim all the world firsts… atleast when the game first releases.