No WASD to move = instant uninstall

[Wild Marshmallow]

Not including WASD to move is a horrible, wrong design choice, dealbreaker for me and for many other brothers from the Church of "We need WASD to move character not the clunky mouse".

Read here many more who have same opinion as me. Amen brothers, halleluah. I stand firmly behind all my brothers who agree with me. Since in 2024 everyone seems to need to be an activist for anything, we also unite as activists behind this new cause.

Can you feel the love tonight? How it's laid to rest? It's enough to make kings and vagabonds move with WASD.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/qkrk50/lost_ark_point_to_clickwasd_movement_options/

[SweetStarfieldFan]

every game that is better than LA gets WASD support, so in this case even D4 get's it.
This says a lot.
PoE 2 will have WASD!

and last but not least: BDO has WASD to move since day1. ;)
Ha ha

[Collateral]

I can't imagine anything worse than playing this type of top down game with WASD

shame they dont allow it for those who can do it or prefer it, controller option is there, but you will be limiting yourself to the same as if you were using wasd, for combat / movement.

movement wise it would be like someone using dpad over analogue sticks.

[Mango]

Originally posted by Simon: RicherThanYou😎:

every game that is better than LA gets WASD support, so in this case even D4 get's it.
This says a lot.
PoE 2 will have WASD!

and last but not least: BDO has WASD to move since day1. ;)
Ha ha

Seperating movement controls from action controls is a smart design choice if it comes to directly controlling one entity with a limited set of actions. It's overall more intuitive, responsive and precise. Many good action games with a top-down view use it, like Darkwood, Furi, or Hades.

Thing with older games like Lost Ark is, that you are given a comparatively high amount of actions / skills to circle through. Here it's ~8 combat skills, plus 2 specials and whatever your ult does, 6 utility slots, 4 preset keys and 4 battle items. Most people have a bog-standard 3-5 key mouse, so it's either putting movement and interface controls there, trim the amount of actively usable skills, or doing something experimental like gestures and such. (edit)

But since it's 202X now and there are gaming mice with more than 5 keys, offering just one control scheme is just lazy tbh. Interface modifications in that regard aren't very complicated or time-consuming prospects normally. But maybe they are for SG, wouldn't surprise me.

[Detergent]

The game has full controller support. If they wanted people to use WASD, they would. Its basically already in the game.
If you want to see how it feels just open your keyboard software or use AHK and bind WASD to x and y joystick axis.

Problem with WASD is that it limits your movement to 8 directions. Ultima Online style of movement
https://i.imgur.com/DjBz3vm.png
This is not going to work for a game like LA where precision movement is life or death.

If you really have a problem with mouse controls, use a controller. If thats not an option, use whatever this thing is https://i.imgur.com/RtQBbN4.png Keyboard with a joystick.

WASD is just too clunky for this game.

[Wild Marshmallow]

Originally posted by Simon: RicherThanYou😎:

every game that is better than LA gets WASD support, so in this case even D4 get's it.
This says a lot.
PoE 2 will have WASD!

and last but not least: BDO has WASD to move since day1. ;)
Ha ha

I know right? Amen brother. We stand firm in our belief that one day the WASD messiah shall return and deliver us from evil.

Originally posted by Collateral:

I can't imagine anything worse than playing this type of top down game with WASD

shame they dont allow it for those who can do it or prefer it, controller option is there, but you will be limiting yourself to the same as if you were using wasd, for combat / movement.

movement wise it would be like someone using dpad over analogue sticks.

At least you accept a compromise, you don't like WASD but you'd like the option there for folks who prefer it. This way, without it, they drive off many players like me who hate games without WASD. Would be much better for the game, have more players, to please everyone, have the current controls for people like you who don't like WASD but also include WASD choice for others like me who prefer WASD. Everyone would win, the game would have more players playing.

Originally posted by Mango:

Thing with older games like Lost Ark is, that you are given a comparatively high amount of actions / skills to circle through. Here it's ~8 combat skills, plus 2 specials and whatever your ult does, 6 utility slots, 4 preset keys and 4 battle items. Most people have a bog-standard 3-5 key mouse, so it's either putting movement and interface controls there, trim the amount of actively usable skills, or doing something experimental like gestures and such. (edit)

I get the game has a lot of skills to use. Still, many old school MMOs have even more and use several quickbars, allow to add more quickbars and to keybind any keys to each slot of each quickbar, why not do that? Allow keybind of all skills and controls.

I don't buy the argument from many fans that WASD is not precise enough for this game, no way. I think WASD works perfectly in all games, no matter how precise, I mean this is just a game, not a million of complex math calculations to land sucessfully on Mars.

Anyway, here is another idea when it comes to precision for games ilke this. Have WASD keys to move and show on screen a little ahead of character a crosshair aim which can be rotated 360 degrees, in any direction, by the mouse to direct shots or skills.

Another idea that would allow even more skills, keybind key combinations. So for example you have 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 keys for 5 skills. You would then keybind 5 more skills to ALT+1, ALT+2 and so on and 5 more skills to SHIFT+1, SHIFT+2, so on, having a total of 15 skills used with just the 5 keys 1 through 5, and combinations.

[Mango]

Originally posted by Wild Marshmallow:

Originally posted by Mango:

Thing with older games like Lost Ark is, that you are given a comparatively high amount of actions / skills to circle through. Here it's ~8 combat skills, plus 2 specials and whatever your ult does, 6 utility slots, 4 preset keys and 4 battle items. Most people have a bog-standard 3-5 key mouse, so it's either putting movement and interface controls there, trim the amount of actively usable skills, or doing something experimental like gestures and such. (edit)

I get the game has a lot of skills to use. Still, many old school MMOs have even more and use several quickbars, allow to add more quickbars and to keybind any keys to each slot of each quickbar, why not do that? Allow keybind of all skills and controls.

I don't buy the argument from many fans that WASD is not precise enough for this game, no way. I think WASD works perfectly in all games, no matter how precise, I mean this is just a game, not a million of complex math calculations to land sucessfully on Mars.

Anyway, here is another idea when it comes to precision for games ilke this. Have WASD keys to move and show on screen a little ahead of character a crosshair aim which can be rotated 360 degrees, in any direction, by the mouse to direct shots or skills.

Another idea that would allow even more skills, keybind key combinations. So for example you have 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 keys for 5 skills. You would then keybind 5 more skills to ALT+1, ALT+2 and so on and 5 more skills to SHIFT+1, SHIFT+2, so on, having a total of 15 skills used with just the 5 keys 1 through 5, and combinations.

I dunno. Lazyness most likely. Some weird pride thing maybe. 100% agree, game should allow full customization of your controls. LA doesn't even let you rebind the stupid interaction key.

Me neither. It's just a dumb argument really and factually wrong too. There are too many examples of WASD controls working perfectly well for similarly challenging games. I guess they want to believe that LA has these epic challenges, demanding super precise positioning and incredible reaction times, when in reality it's just poorly balanced, overly demanding and probably having some hitbox / latency issues. I dunno, its weird.

About those examples you put forward: I like them and I think they'd work well in the game, but unless you can speak Korean, they won't ever reach anybody that works on LA. Amazon abandoned the steam discussions, just as they abandoned their own game forums. Even if they didn't, they wouldn't present our ideas or feedback to the developers. Speaking from experience here, we tried...

[Wild Marshmallow]

Originally posted by Mango:

I dunno. Lazyness most likely. Some weird pride thing maybe. 100% agree, game should allow full customization of your controls. LA doesn't even let you rebind the stupid interaction key.

You sir, are a man of culture. There are only 2 kinds of people in the world. Believers in our WASD God and people who dislike WASD. It's obvious which one of the 2 groups is wrong. Just like there are only people who love pineapple on pizza vs people who hate pineapple on pizza. No middleground. We also know who is wrong.

Originally posted by Mango:

I guess they want to believe that LA has these epic challenges, demanding super precise positioning and incredible reaction times

Lol I guess they want to pretend like they are very skilled Neos in the Matrix, or Karate Kids, doing some super skillful moves, all sorts of martial arts, ninja moves with the mouse, when in reality, no bros, there's no skill needed here lol certainly not more compared to many other MMOs.

Originally posted by Mango:

they won't ever reach anybody that works on LA. Amazon abandoned the steam discussions, just as they abandoned their own game forums.

Oh I have no faith at all in the gaming industry in general and fanboys are to blame for its downfall, lack of quality. I saw a developer intervened here recently but I don't expect a gaming company to care about suggestions or implement them, I had too many bad experiences. They just care about money. I just added suggestions for the sake of debate between players and in the rare chance that a developer comes across them, doesn't hurt to try, even with the low expectations.

[WeaponizedAutism]

Nobody respects WASD players. Good riddance.

[Grimmz]

idk which one is worse tbh, not giving the game a shot because you can't settle with their controls or because they don't have the controls that you prefer. probably equally as bad.

i remember it did bother me at start too but since i already played Diablo 2, it didn't bother me as much. i just got used to it, it wasn't a big deal.

however 100% agree that games should have full customization on controls..
no point in not having that. betting its just laziness.

if souls games were only playable on controller, i probably wouldn't have gotten into that scene at all. but since they do, i'm a die hard fan. so yeah i can see why the controls would be important.

[Wild Marshmallow]

Originally posted by Grimmz:

idk which one is worse tbh, not giving the game a shot because you can't settle with their controls or because they don't have the controls that you prefer. probably equally as bad.

So you ended up totally agreeing with me and with us at the Cult of WASD lol. Join our hivemind.

It's not just the controls we prefer. WASD are the best controls, period. Not even close. It's science. Science already proved this fact in the Hadron Collider.

It's a matter of choice, we have a choice, and when we have quality starndards, we choose to not play a game with bad controls, why woudl we? There are plenty of other choices out there with WASD controls.

[Raiden]

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