Honing RNG gotta go

[BadKarma^^]

Honestly i just lost 3 of my best friends in the game thanks to Honing RNG all of them pity +22 weapon and +23 weapon and spend close to 3 million gold to no even make it +25 wile there is this guy in our guild who 1 tap +22 and 2 tap +23 and the think that make all my friends quit is that today he make his weapon +25 with just 600 leapstones so i currently on +22 weapon and i cant imagine how i will feel if i pitty +23 or +24 even +25 and then some random guy just 1 tap so i don't blame them for quitting the game is NUTS maybe ill quit one day too just waiting for some new games to show up next year

[Forced2Finish]

Stay away from eastern games. They do nothing but make P2W / Massive MTX games with RNG mechanics that punish the player.

[Hosenbund]

RNG systems have been alright since forever.. what is not okay is that everyone needs to enhance their own gear in LA. it is designed as a endless treadmill.
in other games you can just buy gear which is already enhanced. but of course that would require a completely different game design.
You wont even be done after 50k hours as a f2p in LA, because they constantly shift the maximum power.

In addition the timegating is what creates the biggest problem there, because if someone needs 1 tap to succeed and you need 10.. you cant just make up for the indifference by grinding for some more hours.
The game is just like "F*** you, wait until you are not timegated anymore even though you didnt achieve your goal yet"
A problem only money can solve, which is their intention.
Some defenders will say "patience" solves it, but after thousands of hours of playing and grinding the game we are still supposed to be "patient"?
After this amount of time put into the game one is supposed to be on top of the food chain, even as a f2p. This game is absurd.

It is good that your friends are quitting, let this game die. maybe they will finally change it up then.

[PandaSav]

Did you check the new LOA, they are leveraging honing a bit, and mats req and drops from end raids. The new raids and awakenings look sick, though.

[-Dare Devil/x/]

Originally posted by Hosenbund:

RNG systems have been alright since forever.. what is not okay is that everyone needs to enhance their own gear in LA. it is designed as a endless treadmill.
in other games you can just buy gear which is already enhanced. but of course that would require a completely different game design.
You wont even be done after 50k hours as a f2p in LA, because they constantly shift the maximum power.

In addition the timegating is what creates the biggest problem there, because if someone needs 1 tap to succeed and you need 10.. you cant just make up for the indifference by grinding for some more hours.
The game is just like "F*** you, wait until you are not timegated anymore even though you didnt achieve your goal yet"
A problem only money can solve, which is their intention.
Some defenders will say "patience" solves it, but after thousands of hours of playing and grinding the game we are still supposed to be "patient"?
After this amount of time put into the game one is supposed to be on top of the food chain, even as a f2p. This game is absurd.

It is good that your friends are quitting, let this game die. maybe they will finally change it up then.

-50k hours, lol, cmon man.

[HiT]

Originally posted by BadKarma^^:

Honestly i just lost 3 of my best friends in the game thanks to Honing RNG all of them pity +22 weapon and +23 weapon and spend close to 3 million gold to no even make it +25 wile there is this guy in our guild who 1 tap +22 and 2 tap +23 and the think that make all my friends quit is that today he make his weapon +25 with just 600 leapstones so i currently on +22 weapon and i cant imagine how i will feel if i pitty +23 or +24 even +25 and then some random guy just 1 tap so i don't blame them for quitting the game is NUTS maybe ill quit one day too just waiting for some new games to show up next year

The only way the honing can go away is very simple my friend...YOU PROVIDE THEM WITH THE MOST LUCRATIVE MONEY MAKING MARKETING STRATEGY AND SELL THAT TO THEM IN EXHANGE TO REMOVE THE HONING! BOOM ! DONE! If you can't, the honing is not going anywhere because it is like gambling and gambling=addiction and for addiction ppl empty out their pocket

[Hosenbund]

Originally posted by -Dare Devil/x/:

Originally posted by Hosenbund:

RNG systems have been alright since forever.. what is not okay is that everyone needs to enhance their own gear in LA. it is designed as a endless treadmill.
in other games you can just buy gear which is already enhanced. but of course that would require a completely different game design.
You wont even be done after 50k hours as a f2p in LA, because they constantly shift the maximum power.

In addition the timegating is what creates the biggest problem there, because if someone needs 1 tap to succeed and you need 10.. you cant just make up for the indifference by grinding for some more hours.
The game is just like "F*** you, wait until you are not timegated anymore even though you didnt achieve your goal yet"
A problem only money can solve, which is their intention.
Some defenders will say "patience" solves it, but after thousands of hours of playing and grinding the game we are still supposed to be "patient"?
After this amount of time put into the game one is supposed to be on top of the food chain, even as a f2p. This game is absurd.

It is good that your friends are quitting, let this game die. maybe they will finally change it up then.

-50k hours, lol, cmon man.

You know it is true. LA is a endless hamster wheel with soft resets and eventually hard resets.
other korean games dont really have those nearly as much. it is not comparable.
And a game like FF14 is not nearly as grindy, so nobody cares about "losing" their gear.

The only reason people defend this game in this aspect is because its timegated. "oh i cant grind anymore on 1 char after a bit, it is not that grindy"
when in reality they wont even be done grinding after 50k hours, unless the game changes.
Which it seemingly does, at least least a little bit, when you look at the recent LoA. but we still have no clue where the game is going.
But it seems like they are willing to experiment a little bit now.

[Collateral]

Originally posted by BadKarma^^:

Honestly i just lost 3 of my best friends in the game thanks to Honing RNG all of them pity +22 weapon and +23 weapon and spend close to 3 million gold to no even make it +25 wile there is this guy in our guild who 1 tap +22 and 2 tap +23 and the think that make all my friends quit is that today he make his weapon +25 with just 600 leapstones so i currently on +22 weapon and i cant imagine how i will feel if i pitty +23 or +24 even +25 and then some random guy just 1 tap so i don't blame them for quitting the game is NUTS maybe ill quit one day too just waiting for some new games to show up next year

going above +21 is generally whalebait

You should be very prepared if you go above 21/22 that you are most likely going to pity everytime... just because you found one person who didn't and got super lucky , does not mean you should hate the player or the game. be happy for them!

do i agree wtih the amount it costs to pity items for that lvl, nope! But it is intended for whales after all!

what exactly did your friends expect when they were pushing for +25?

[-Dare Devil/x/]

Originally posted by Hosenbund:

Originally posted by -Dare Devil/x/:

-50k hours, lol, cmon man.

You know it is true. LA is a endless hamster wheel with soft resets and eventually hard resets.
other korean games dont really have those nearly as much. it is not comparable.
And a game like FF14 is not nearly as grindy, so nobody cares about "losing" their gear.

The only reason people defend this game in this aspect is because its timegated. "oh i cant grind anymore on 1 char after a bit, it is not that grindy"
when in reality they wont even be done grinding after 50k hours, unless the game changes.
Which it seemingly does, at least least a little bit, when you look at the recent LoA. but we still have no clue where the game is going.
But it seems like they are willing to experiment a little bit now.

-I guess if you are including getting the yearning soul and the 4 sea maps from ocean coop, then you possibly could go 50,000 hours and not get it.

-Can you define what the 50,000 hours are for? Every collectible? Just endgame content? 100 quality on every gear? Etcetera. That will make it more clear if you're trolling or not. If you're talking 1600 item level, with no skill points, etc. That's less than 100 hours. If you're talking about noob that knows 0 about the game, then 1600 might take him 1000 hours sure.

-PS you never responded to my reply in the other thread, any reason?