I suggest orange and purple engraving books should drop for low tier characters

[DISRuPTED]

Amazon is making new players advance all the way to T3 too fast by making honing too easy on lower tiers. This is actually terrible, you can't even fail honing anymore, people reach Legion Raids too fast, having no engravings and no money to buy anything in today's market, so they quit the game when they get gatekept by having weak characters and being so poor that they can't afford anything in the market. When engraving support event ends all these new players wil be in huge trouble.

If content for all low tier characters would be more relevant and rewarding, these people would get into late game with an actual fighting chance. T1 abyssal give them 80-120g, what can someone do with this money in today's economy? Absolutely nothing, and it's something you can only do once per week too, it's ridiculous.

Making players sprint all the way to T3 is a bad decision, every game that kills older content is destined for failure, and also put more pressure on a working team that gets forced to provide new content faster and faster cause even new people are not allowed to enjoy older content cause the game puts them on T3 without them doing any effort.

TL;DR = Slow is better, that's what she said

[icantsee]

Skipping to T3 is fine, being gatekept is the issue and nobody wan to do learning run all just wan to homework/bus.
Then fomo come in, only play 1 character god know when u gonna be 1560, alt too boring and a chore.
tldr: fk new players. game dies.

[DISRuPTED]

Originally posted by icantsee:

Skipping to T3 is fine, being gatekept is the issue and nobody wan to do learning run all just wan to homework/bus.
Then fomo come in, only play 1 character god know when u gonna be 1560, alt too boring and a chore.
tldr: fk new players. game dies.

In my opinion the game will die cause of all these decisions constantly making people reach endgame faster without acquiring anything on their journey. If progression was slower new players would always join other new players in low tier content and learn how the game works, instead of being put on T3 way too fast and wiping the party in basic mechanics such as stagger checks. New players don't even get the opportunity to properly do boss fights on low tier abyssal dungeons, cause of T3 people doing card runs killing everything one shot, no wonder new people can't even do Argos and amazon will be nerfing Argos soon. Nobody has a chance to learn the game, cause T3 character reign supreme across all contents one shotting everything.

Now, imagine if amazon made legendary engraving books drop from T1 and T2 characters doing their T1 and T2 content, also increasing the gold they could obtain by farming these contents, even people that are veterans would make T1 and T2 alts to join up this farming, and that would help new players understand mechanics and boss fights better, cause there wouldn't be card runners one shotting everything, at least not in the proportion there is nowadays, they would all be on their T1 and T2 alts, keeping that content alive in the way it should be done.

I had a funny situation these days that somebody asked for help in chat, wanting to do Velganus, i offered help and he refused cause he said my character was too weak to help. I proceed to tell him i solo killed Velganus as bard on 1415 and he laughed and said i was lying, proceed to tell him i solo killed every guardian in the game at entry level cause there was no new players to queue up. Because new players are put into T3 too fast and then give up because they realise getting into T3 is the least of their problems. Probably this new player will be carried all his way into Legion Raids, be an unskilled player dying over and over again, all because he didn't learn anything on lower tiers, cause the game makes people advance through these tier too fast instead of making these tiers relevant.

Why do this game do this you might wonder?

Cash grab. Put everyone on late game with no experience, no items, no engravings, weak characters, etc. So they would spend money to catch up to the other people. The big mistake of Lost Ark is being free to play, it's such a great game artistically, but since they have to find a way to get money out of it, they end up with terrible design decisions that ruins the game but give them profit.

[Taryth]

I don't think giving more free books is the problem. Maybe just having like actual selection chests for accessory stats on lower lvl accessories. Or as an NPC. Being able to completely customize an accessory to your desire, except maybe the quality as rng.

They already give you a ton of free purple books from the events, that's enough to make 4x3, which is good enough for the lower legion raids. What's stopping good builds is not getting the right accessories to round them out.

I also think that higher ilvls should be lowered down when doing content they out gear significantly. I don't think they should necessarily be set to ilvl, but at a point where its easy to survive, but they don't skip every mechanic. Sort of like the harmony scaling?

[Collateral]

Remove the pheon cost from legendary accessories, who cares about these anymore really...

I think giving new players some free gold books is a good idea, maybe 10 class gold and 10 non class for free, then you can go farm the others from spire / other places... gives them a big headstart. i spent weeks farming gold to get my grudge books at like 18k each... i dont want anyone going through that pain :D

Also if someone in 3 months of the event engravings, cannot make the gold to buy legendary accessoriees + stone to get 4x3 for valten then there is something wrong, or they are not focusing on doing it correctly.

gate keeping can be aweful, starting you're own group is usually the answer, people say this does not work but on some of my lower geared / potentially worse characters they all get groups when i start them, you just then need to accept other people if they arent as well geared and go with it :)

[Stringy]

Not gonna lie, this does worry me. I'm on Aldebaran which is already a dead server as it is, and Basic Oreha Fusion Mat market prices are dropping by at least 1g every day so it's not even possible to have a predictable stable gold economy. This started happening much faster this week, so the timing of it made it so that I've made basically nothing on any of my fusion material crafting from this week. This entire week was pretty much a wash.

Guess I can look forward to joining 50 vykas groups that all get wiped because the only people who know the mechanics are running gold carries, just to get 1/10 of the gold I would normally get by excavating and crafting on the off-chance that we actually clear the raid.

[Collateral]

Originally posted by Stringy:

Not gonna lie, this does worry me. I'm on Aldebaran which is already a dead server as it is, and Basic Oreha Fusion Mat market prices are dropping by at least 1g every day so it's not even possible to have a predictable stable gold economy. This started happening much faster this week, so the timing of it made it so that I've made basically nothing on any of my fusion material crafting from this week. This entire week was pretty much a wash.

Guess I can look forward to joining 50 vykas groups that all get wiped because the only people who know the mechanics are running gold carries, just to get 1/10 of the gold I would normally get by excavating and crafting on the off-chance that we actually clear the raid.

Your market is shared with the rest of NAE , fusion material atm is very unpredictable ive also dropped off it for past couple weeks for making extra income.

you should save it all for next week on slayer release, it will go up dramatically for easy profits.

Your raids are also shared queues with all of NAE, not sure what its like across there cos im on EUC but we only ever get like one or two jails every month in mainly vykas, people do still struggle with it. but the people who struggle will be learning hopefully and eventually succeed :)

[Stringy]

Originally posted by Collateral:

Originally posted by Stringy:

Not gonna lie, this does worry me. I'm on Aldebaran which is already a dead server as it is, and Basic Oreha Fusion Mat market prices are dropping by at least 1g every day so it's not even possible to have a predictable stable gold economy. This started happening much faster this week, so the timing of it made it so that I've made basically nothing on any of my fusion material crafting from this week. This entire week was pretty much a wash.

Guess I can look forward to joining 50 vykas groups that all get wiped because the only people who know the mechanics are running gold carries, just to get 1/10 of the gold I would normally get by excavating and crafting on the off-chance that we actually clear the raid.

Your market is shared with the rest of NAE , fusion material atm is very unpredictable ive also dropped off it for past couple weeks for making extra income.

you should save it all for next week on slayer release, it will go up dramatically for easy profits.

Your raids are also shared queues with all of NAE, not sure what its like across there cos im on EUC but we only ever get like one or two jails every month in mainly vykas, people do still struggle with it. but the people who struggle will be learning hopefully and eventually succeed :)

I hope so. This game was really fun for a while and still seems to have enough people that return for new content (but for how long?)

[「OnTheCouch」]

i always give benefit of doubt of mokoko low roster players, because they might be smurf account or etc.

one day back when only brel nm only, there 3 player survive at g6 with 77 roster lvl, but on another day i joined brel g6 nm experienced,title,horn party with 90 roster lvl they all died before shandy mech.

its a matter of trust, so you can see which mokoko are determined and keen to learn or not

[EmeraldFoxDeity]

The real problem is that there's only one path forward for progression in Tier 3, contrasting tiers 1 and 2. In tier 2, you don't have to do that underwater dungeon if it's too complex for you. You'll progress slower and lose out on the best gear of that tier, but you can still progress.

Tier 3 first forces Hard Mode Abyss Dungeons with the minimum power requirement. Mix that with most players not being arsed to fit out their engravings properly with a resource dump buying accessories off of the market, then you have the first softer drop off point for many. Then past that you have Legion Raids. There is absolutely zero way to progress your power or gain Mythic gear that isn't Legion Raids once you get to that point. And no, leveling your Gems further does not count as progressing your power in this way. Level 9 gems won't be the difference between victory and defeat next to level 5 and 6 gems for those who find Abyss Raids too complicated. I am one of those people. I'd like to progress my character's power further. But I'm kind of stuck. Abyss Raids are puzzles on puzzles within deeper darker puzzles and soiled with trial and error that players before had to figure out for guides to even exist. I just want to dodge around and kill things. That's mostly what the game has been up to that point. Bosses prior to Abyss Raids never get that crazy, aside from maybe those underwater bosses. But even then, their mechanics are negligible in number and difficulty comparatively.

It's not a problem of the speed of progression, though I honestly thought it was fine prior to these seemingly permanent tier honing buffs, it's a problem that there's only one way to progress. Legion Raids should be the harder but far more rewarding means of progression. Even if I had to take weeks to get one relic piece without doing Legion Raids, that would be fine by me. I'd be taking the slow route, but it'd be manageable for me. The game is a casual fest up until tier 3. It's not players gatekeeping, it's the developers. A lot of people would give up Legion Raids without quitting the game outright if they weren't genuinely stuck. And the game being an MMO is not a good excuse for erecting this difficulty wall at an 89 degree angle. Especially when, again, the game isn't that challenging prior to this point.

[Collateral]

You can generally get carried through the hard mode abyss dungeons and argos, we used to do them with 2 engravings back in the day, but im not sure what you mean about the legion raids etc,

they are the harder raids and give the bigger relic sets, if you are 1415 / 1445 you should only be doing argos valten and maybe vykas...

if you have done hard mode or argos you should have the sets from these... they can be honed up as far as you want and then transfer to relic, increasing power greatly.

Once you hit 1415 , get a couple relic accessories and make sure you are 4x3 or 3x3, easy to hit and just needs a little bit of gold to get.

if you are doing other abyss raids outside of orehas well then you are wasting your time :D , just let them go and work on collecting mats to push up, get a couple alts going for more mats farming (user the hyper express)

[Rigor Mortex]

I mean the most easy way for new players would be to have engraving support for 1 character all the time. So you only need stats and cards , battle items. Also pheons are the worst system in the entire game and even worse for new players. The moment engraving support runs out they have to pay double for pheons and good stats and engravings on accessories. Also increase back gold from argus, vykas and valtan because busser dont care and make ♥♥♥♥ tons of gold anyway from these and the new player who are actually doing learn party’s and try the boss for hours are getting punished with such meagrely rewards at the end we’re 50 % goes in too honing 1 bloody item

[This Is Gonna Get Good]

Originally posted by Stringy:

Originally posted by Collateral:

Your market is shared with the rest of NAE , fusion material atm is very unpredictable ive also dropped off it for past couple weeks for making extra income.

you should save it all for next week on slayer release, it will go up dramatically for easy profits.

Your raids are also shared queues with all of NAE, not sure what its like across there cos im on EUC but we only ever get like one or two jails every month in mainly vykas, people do still struggle with it. but the people who struggle will be learning hopefully and eventually succeed :)

I hope so. This game was really fun for a while and still seems to have enough people that return for new content (but for how long?)

until the 15th of may, when all the slayers will be to 1560 and the game will go dead again until the next update.

[breezycheeks]

Originally posted by DISRuPTED:

people reach Legion Raids too fast, having no engravings and no money to buy anything in today's market, so they quit the game when they get gatekept by having weak characters and being so poor that they can't afford anything in the market.

It's adorable you think SG and AGS care about this player if they remain F2P.
They can swipe their way out of this misery or they can quit.
Working as intended.

[Jango]

Originally posted by Rigor Mortex:

I mean the most easy way for new players would be to have engraving support for 1 character all the time. So you only need stats and cards , battle items. Also pheons are the worst system in the entire game and even worse for new players. The moment engraving support runs out they have to pay double for pheons and good stats and engravings on accessories. Also increase back gold from argus, vykas and valtan because busser dont care and make ♥♥♥♥ tons of gold anyway from these and the new player who are actually doing learn party’s and try the boss for hours are getting punished with such meagrely rewards at the end we’re 50 % goes in too honing 1 bloody item

The engraving support helps out sooo much tbh but yeah sad when it ends :/
Hopefully it just help them out long enough to save up some gold and get the right accessories and stuff.
Have it on my main artist right now and just dreading having to look for the right accessories lol hope I can get a good roll on my stone :/

[DISRuPTED]

Originally posted by breezycheeks:

Originally posted by DISRuPTED:

people reach Legion Raids too fast, having no engravings and no money to buy anything in today's market, so they quit the game when they get gatekept by having weak characters and being so poor that they can't afford anything in the market.

It's adorable you think SG and AGS care about this player if they remain F2P.
They can swipe their way out of this misery or they can quit.
Working as intended.

Not saying they care, just wishing they would.