Why is the PvP so dead?

[Harley]

Do people actually play the trashy PvE on this game more than the PvP? How is it even fun to play the same dungeon 6 times to maybe get an upgrade.

[RyLzEn]

because... the modern player is weak, 95% of the players find it difficult even in pve, pvp is hell for them and they try to avoid it in every possible way, because they are afraid that they will be killed.

[Harley]

Originally posted by RyLzEn:

because... the modern player is weak, 95% of the players find it difficult even in pve, pvp is hell for them and they try to avoid it in every possible way, because they are afraid that they will be killed.

It sucks. The only thing good going for this game is the combat system that works amazingly well in PvP with little to no connection issues. The PvE is so boring. Everything dies in one hit or you die in one hit and it just drones on and on lol.

[Itrace4]

The pve is undoubtedly the best raiding experience the whole genre has to offer and by far.

The pvp is simply not that good, but not bad by any means either.

There's just much better isometric pvp games

[Harley]

Originally posted by Itrace4:

The pve is undoubtedly the best raiding experience the whole genre has to offer and by far.

The pvp is simply not that good, but not bad by any means either.

There's just much better isometric pvp games

Idk Raids in MMORPG's are all the same thing. Don't stand in the red zone and attack the boss. I don't see how this is any different? More red zones?

[「OnTheCouch」]

Originally posted by Harley:

It sucks. The only thing good going for this game is the combat system that works amazingly well in PvP with little to no connection issues. The PvE is so boring. Everything dies in one hit or you die in one hit and it just drones on and on lol.

damn you are right, i can play and quein for 2hrs with no DC at all

[Harley]

Originally posted by ᠌ ⁧⁧「OnTheCouch」:

Originally posted by Harley:

It sucks. The only thing good going for this game is the combat system that works amazingly well in PvP with little to no connection issues. The PvE is so boring. Everything dies in one hit or you die in one hit and it just drones on and on lol.

damn you are right, i can play and quein for 2hrs with no DC at all

None! I have no lag in matches besides the occasional FPS drop due to bad Hardware. All my moves have impact and I know that I didn't lose a trade or engage because, of poor connection issues. That's why I love this games PvP. It's focused solely on skill and the fluidity and precision is better than League of Legends or DOTA 2.

[Sykar]

Originally posted by RyLzEn:

because... the modern player is weak, 95% of the players find it difficult even in pve, pvp is hell for them and they try to avoid it in every possible way, because they are afraid that they will be killed.

Or maybe some of us are of an older generation which has played PvP for almost 2 decades and mostly play now to relax with only occasionally some mild stress.
PvP communities are also highly toxic as my experiences with Starcraft:Broodwar, WoW, SWTOR and Mobas like HoN, Dota and LoL have shown me and I simply cannot stand another muppet shouting at me because his team lost. No thank you. I would much rather enjoy the quiet in pugs where when people are upset at least limit it to either just vote to stop the ongoing run or say something along the lines of "not enough DPS".

Originally posted by Harley:

Originally posted by Itrace4:

The pve is undoubtedly the best raiding experience the whole genre has to offer and by far.

The pvp is simply not that good, but not bad by any means either.

There's just much better isometric pvp games

Idk Raids in MMORPG's are all the same thing. Don't stand in the red zone and attack the boss. I don't see how this is any different? More red zones?

The bosses are highly unpredictable with their movement patterns while you also have to target all your abilities. Most "traditional" MMOS the bosses are 95% predictable with the worst coming is usually something like an aggro reset or brief aggro ignore and that's it. Furthermore those MMOs rely on tab targeting which eliminates the need for targeting, making any kind of DPS rotation borderline brain dead unless it relies heavily on RNG which I never found to be very exciting anyway since it can quickly devolve into a fusterluck of prioritising half a dozen procs.
Something like an Igniter Sorc would be piss easy to play in WoW for example because you would have no aiming issues whatsoever, whereas here an Igniter Sorc is actually challenging because blowing your enhanced mode and missing your Doomsday and Explosion costs you a good chunk of your DPS and total damage done.

[EmptySeat]

pvp isnt balanced and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mess

[Hosenbund]

Because this is a pve game...every good content the game has to offer is pve. if you want to play pvp then im sorry...but you play the wrong game

i play dota or league of legends if i want isometric pvp..you know..like games actually made for pvp
plenty of other way better ones if it doesnt need to be isometric too

[Hosenbund]

Originally posted by Harley:

Originally posted by Itrace4:

The pve is undoubtedly the best raiding experience the whole genre has to offer and by far.

The pvp is simply not that good, but not bad by any means either.

There's just much better isometric pvp games

Idk Raids in MMORPG's are all the same thing. Don't stand in the red zone and attack the boss. I don't see how this is any different? More red zones?

if you seriously believe you only dont have to stand in red zones.. then you never really played any legion raids in lost ark did you?

why are you playing pve themepark mmos if you dont like raiding and pve?


look into this..releases in some days, maybe its for you..its an actual pvp game

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1717990/Fangs/

[Hosenbund]

Originally posted by RyLzEn:

because... the modern player is weak, 95% of the players find it difficult even in pve, pvp is hell for them and they try to avoid it in every possible way, because they are afraid that they will be killed.

this is such delusional bs
i played plenty of competetive games for many many hours already and became quite good at some of them
Some people play actual pvp games if they want to pvp

lost arks main drawing point is raiding and grinding with a good combat system. and the raids are really well designed. probably the most fun in the genre

you guys are just coping
pvp games are probably the most played games ever. almost all of the most popular games are pvp games.
your logic doesnt even make sense

it really just sounds like the coping from the classical, frustrated 30-40 y.o. ultima online, lineage, everquest player ( insert any other old pvp mmos)

[L:D]

Originally posted by Sykar:

Originally posted by Harley:

Idk Raids in MMORPG's are all the same thing. Don't stand in the red zone and attack the boss. I don't see how this is any different? More red zones?

The bosses are highly unpredictable with their movement patterns while you also have to target all your abilities. Most "traditional" MMOS the bosses are 95% predictable with the worst coming is usually something like an aggro reset or brief aggro ignore and that's it. Furthermore those MMOs rely on tab targeting which eliminates the need for targeting, making any kind of DPS rotation borderline brain dead unless it relies heavily on RNG which I never found to be very exciting anyway since it can quickly devolve into a fusterluck of prioritising half a dozen procs.
Something like an Igniter Sorc would be piss easy to play in WoW for example because you would have no aiming issues whatsoever, whereas here an Igniter Sorc is actually challenging because blowing your enhanced mode and missing your Doomsday and Explosion costs you a good chunk of your DPS and total damage done.

No they're not. Unless you just play and don't pay attention to anything.
All raids, all bosses, have very telegraphed attacks and patterns. Kakul for example is one of the easiest bosses in the game that you can see it, so a sorc don't miss doomsday because the bosses are unpredictable, they miss because they don't know anything about that fight.

It's not even make sense. Unless you can make a game that bosses ai can adapt for what players do, no game can be "highly unpredictable".

[Zerkaraoh]

The reason why I stopped doing PvP: Rewards expiration

[Sykar]

Originally posted by L:D:

Originally posted by Sykar:

The bosses are highly unpredictable with their movement patterns while you also have to target all your abilities. Most "traditional" MMOS the bosses are 95% predictable with the worst coming is usually something like an aggro reset or brief aggro ignore and that's it. Furthermore those MMOs rely on tab targeting which eliminates the need for targeting, making any kind of DPS rotation borderline brain dead unless it relies heavily on RNG which I never found to be very exciting anyway since it can quickly devolve into a fusterluck of prioritising half a dozen procs.
Something like an Igniter Sorc would be piss easy to play in WoW for example because you would have no aiming issues whatsoever, whereas here an Igniter Sorc is actually challenging because blowing your enhanced mode and missing your Doomsday and Explosion costs you a good chunk of your DPS and total damage done.

No they're not. Unless you just play and don't pay attention to anything.
All raids, all bosses, have very telegraphed attacks and patterns. Kakul for example is one of the easiest bosses in the game that you can see it, so a sorc don't miss doomsday because the bosses are unpredictable, they miss because they don't know anything about that fight.

It's not even make sense. Unless you can make a game that bosses ai can adapt for what players do, no game can be "highly unpredictable".

Some of their attacks and movements are of course strictly scripted but I am comparing to tab targeting trinity MMOs like WoW and SWTOR here to LA there is far less randomness in the fights. Fights there are 100% predictable, especially thanks to mods.
And yes, even good Sorc players can and do miss their Doomsday from time to time because the boss made another jump or moved or switched aggro. Anyone who claims they do not is flat out lying.

[UltraBrutalTechies]

This is 100% pve game, if you want to pvp you are looking at wrong game.