Why I stopped playing (Bard main)

[Ginnza]

Playing support in LA feels worse than any other game Ive played. It feels like I have no impact as a bard. I buff everyones damage, I heal, and I do garbage dps. Yet, I cant see, or visualize anything except that I do garbage damage. I cant see my heals, I cant see the impact of my buffs. Its like theres no point and I dont get anything from it. When you play support in a MOBA its felt, you know when you've done something to help your team, and most of the time your team will say something about it! But in LA, people dont even talk.

[あらあら、うふふ！]

Really? Are you using MOBAs in your comparison? The genre where everyone flames everyone for literally everything?

You ain't receiving a compliment there for your buffs. Just a blame that you didn't unleash them faster.

[Dragonmaster]

Originally posted by Ginnza:

Playing support in LA feels worse than any other game Ive played. It feels like I have no impact as a bard. I buff everyones damage, I heal, and I do garbage dps. Yet, I cant see, or visualize anything except that I do garbage damage. I cant see my heals, I cant see the impact of my buffs. Its like theres no point and I dont get anything from it. When you play support in a MOBA its felt, you know when you've done something to help your team, and most of the time your team will say something about it! But in LA, people dont even talk.

I like to know what other MMO's gave props to Supports/healers. As a WoW player for 9 years as a Shaman Healer, in random groups you STILL never got much recognition and it was still an epeen contest with the DPS.

If this is how you feel then NO MMO is gonna go "GJ support". Playing support/healer in MMOs is a forgotten/thankless job and has ALWAYS been that way.

And comparing an MMO to a MOBA, lol.

[Ginnza]

Originally posted by Dragonmaster:

Originally posted by Ginnza:

Playing support in LA feels worse than any other game Ive played. It feels like I have no impact as a bard. I buff everyones damage, I heal, and I do garbage dps. Yet, I cant see, or visualize anything except that I do garbage damage. I cant see my heals, I cant see the impact of my buffs. Its like theres no point and I dont get anything from it. When you play support in a MOBA its felt, you know when you've done something to help your team, and most of the time your team will say something about it! But in LA, people dont even talk.

I like to know what other MMO's gave props to Supports/healers. As a WoW player for 9 years as a Shaman Healer, in random groups you STILL never got much recognition and it was still an epeen contest with the DPS.

If this is how you feel then NO MMO is gonna go "GJ support". Playing support/healer in MMOs is a forgotten/thankless job and has ALWAYS been that way.

And comparing an MMO to a MOBA, lol.

If you played healer in wow for 9 years and no one ever told you are a good healer, its probably because you're not good at it. I get offers all the time to join guilds after healing pug runs in classic.

[Dragonmaster]

Originally posted by Ginnza:

Originally posted by Dragonmaster:

I like to know what other MMO's gave props to Supports/healers. As a WoW player for 9 years as a Shaman Healer, in random groups you STILL never got much recognition and it was still an epeen contest with the DPS.

If this is how you feel then NO MMO is gonna go "GJ support". Playing support/healer in MMOs is a forgotten/thankless job and has ALWAYS been that way.

And comparing an MMO to a MOBA, lol.

If you played healer in wow for 9 years and no one ever told you are a good healer, its probably because you're not good at it. I get offers all the time to join guilds after healing pug runs in classic.

Don't get me wrong, I've been told i was a good healer and was essentially top shaman healer all thru Classic/BC/WotLK on the server I was on and hardcore raided for world firsts. But its NOT a common occurrence in pick up groups. Which encompasses a LOT of the groups for raids/dungeons in LA using Random MM or the party finder.

And even in premades, its not common to hear, "GJ healer you saved our bacon there" Its just you did your job.

[sintri]

I mean there's no player feedback at the end of any of these runs. There's more than a few times where someone's done really well and like in the case of league you toss a meaningless commend their way, but there's nothing of the sort here so unless you feel like typing something it just goes unnoticed.

But having played without a bard and having a bard myself, bards make a whole lot of difference, between just using less pots in general from the shielding and healing and being able to be a little bit more reckless from the shielding, then buffs on top of that it matters a lot. Not that anyone would really come out and say it but they matter a lot. Only cavaet being people being overgeared in which case they can solo the whole dungeon and none of it matters anyways.

If you're looking for validation, you won't get it, occasionally you'll pop up mvp if all the dps is pretty even, but that's also quite meaningless. If you're looking for impact, you should already know it matters quite a bit.

[tankanidis]

I like FF14's approach with the commendations but noticed that Japanese servers give them a lot more than Oceanic does (and guessing NA/EU)

Even when you have a clear run (on oreha was 2 gunlancers 1 soulfist 1 bard and the run went flawless, shields for days all round

The soulfist says at the end 'we took the we cant kill the boss and the boss cant kill us approach i see'

flawless run....

[Danlol]

Yeah first two weeks as a supp with valtan, shockingly wasn't so bad... but now? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ so many people whale'd to a +20 wep and they are complete Floor Mats.... being a support blows lol, pugs are terrible in Lost Ark. Funneling ♥♥♥♥ to a damage dealer ASAP because carrying as a supp is impossible


1430 bard btw

[Firecam]

When you are the last one alive and you're a supp, they just reset the fight ^^
Tower was also a pain, i hope the bridge will be different but it probably won't.

[Gonger]

I feel your pain. I've switched to hybrid support as a paladin. Support engravings Awake/Expert feel so mediocre in Valtan.

[Hamster of Sigmar]

Healing ticks can be seen when you drop Salvation. Buffs can be seen above every player's health bar. That may not be enough feedback for you but your contribution matters.

As for team mates not talking -yea I get that but only on alts. My guild runs are always talkative.

Kakul Saydon would be next after Vykas. That raid is only 4-man. As 1/4th of the equation, if your buffs do not align with burst windows, your stagger is lacking (Vital Point), or you miss your Rhapsodies, you will likely not succeed.

As an aside, Drops of Ether is a pretty good 4th engraving for Bard. It constantly drops every 10 secs, gives your team mates a visual cue that someone dropped a buff, and is usually very noticed and welcomed.

1485 Bard.

[Captain Westwind]

When a war ends everyone praises the soldiers who fought it and forget about the farmers that fed and clothed them. Same with political campaigns, movies and any other scenarios where you act as a background service. It is a great exercise in humility and patience, in serve and not being recognized by it. It's not for everyone. If it bothers you that much then you should move to a role where you can be the spotlight.

I never have problems being MVP on content, love my paladin, I know my shields are making the difference, it's extereme fun gameplay and I don't require recognition. You said players don't talk and yes this game is not very social, maybe because the chat window is a trash system or 3/4 of the pop are bots.

[Vairyne]

You want a support deal the same dmg as a dps? U job its keep all alive and buff them,supports in this game its not like a healer support its more like a enchanter from lineage like,u can heal,buff and do some dmg to help ur team but u dont have too much dps,but ur buffs are good

[Boink]

Originally posted by Ginnza:

Playing support in LA feels worse than any other game Ive played. It feels like I have no impact as a bard. I buff everyones damage, I heal, and I do garbage dps. Yet, I cant see, or visualize anything except that I do garbage damage. I cant see my heals, I cant see the impact of my buffs. Its like theres no point and I dont get anything from it. When you play support in a MOBA its felt, you know when you've done something to help your team, and most of the time your team will say something about it! But in LA, people dont even talk.

If you are doing it correctly bards and paladins can have a huge damage window. You can't see it but if you are in a group with a support you notice it.

Also your shield is huge. It is free attrition damage.

There are definitely support that are not familiar with their skill sets. Most players don't criticize them because they are free pots. Like for example I see a lot of new bards spamming sonic vibrations or trying to hit the boss with it like dead center. That is a bad way to do it. When position matters you want to hit the target on the edge of the circle, that way dps players including yourself have plenty of room to maneuver and still get the buff on top of the mediocre damage.

I think players are into looking at damage numbers "BIG D Damage". Players should be looking at how to make their classes more efficient and understanding their skill sets. Right now there are no requirements for "BIG D Damage" except maybe some small parts like Valtan Ghost Phase or Phase 2 Argos.

[Alji]

I quit for similar reasons (Bard main and alts). It was incredibly solitary for an mmo (who are you supporting?). I get that everyone knows the drill now, but nobody ever typed anything. I suppose my guild members were all on discord, but I don't want to wear a headset for hours every day when all I am doing is solo content. I enjoyed much of the content, especially the musical number cutscenes including your character, but the story ran out, my gold started draining away and I realized that all the bots proved that what I was doing didn't require anything more than a bot. My interest was waning and I didnt want to get people relying on me so that they could keep abyss raiding so I bowed out.

The MMO genre seems to be in a very bad place. I may have to give up on it completely. Youtube videos for everything takes all of the fun of exploration and adventuring (learning by doing) out of the game. It might be that games need to be procedurally generated at least. And finally the number of toxic and cheating players seems to be growing. The only thing worse than pay2win is cheat2win.

[Williee]

As a bard main, and non-dps role in other games, I don't think you need recognition for everything you do. In lost ark, it is probably the easiest role to get mvp. Imo, the run is usually better when I am not MVP because I spam out dmg buffs instead of heals since the dps are good at avoiding damage aka faster kill times.
Sometimes you'll run into chatty ppl or friendly ppl who emote back. However, I do not believe that has anything to do with your role being support or bard. It seems like a normal thing in mmo lfg systems, where most ppl just stay silent unless spoken to.
Also, I've seen more comments towards a good support then a good dps since good support is much harder to find then a good dps.