Anyone else tried arcanist?

[CreamQween]

I’ve been eyeing arcanist since it was released, but I’ve heard mostly mixed reviews with a lot of people saying they hate it and that it’s the hardest class in the game. So ofc decided to make an arcanist alt a few days ago and replay from beginning of game instead of using powerpass (which I’ve used with all of my alts) so I can get get used to the play style and also see what all the complaints are about and I’m…honestly really confused?

Maybe it’s still too early to tell since I just hit tortoyk (roughly 40lvl/200 ilvl with only a couple skill runes missing on my build) but so far I LOVE this class. To anyone who plays/attempted to play arcanist, are most people talking out their asses or is this really the “most difficult class” to learn/play?

[GANGSTAR1988]

it is a very squishy class and the empress build that is the go to has all its damage in a few skills that need max stacks. personally i find arcana to be really fun. has a very high ceiling that most ppl probably get turned off by, but i enjoy the challenge.

[moemeo]

The only thing i dont like about Aracnist is you have to stack to actually do some damage, cant no brain storm like any other classes.

[Phedra]

I've played arcanist to 1000 gear score and I can easily say that she is really so hard to play/ get used to her mechanics. You are expected to hit constant damage in lobbies because you are a dps class but stacking cards and using these stacks with ur ruin skills may be complicated sometimes. Moreover, bosses that have huge cc such as any raid boss are challenging her. Also, she has a very limited game style, which means that she has some specific combos to hit good damages. Briefly, she is very fun to play with and extremely hard as well.

[CreamQween]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από GANGSTAR1988:

it is a very squishy class and the empress build that is the go to has all its damage in a few skills that need max stacks. personally i find arcana to be really fun. has a very high ceiling that most ppl probably get turned off by, but i enjoy the challenge.

I guess I didn't even consider that, there wasn’t really a lot to go off of since with reviews most people are like “arcanist bad” and then don’t fully explain why lol. I definitely love a challenge and have noticed a bit of one even at the beginning of the game, but overall still a really fun class I think!

[Cerventus]

The problem with the arcana is her tarot, you have to remember what the graphics of all 12 (empress) look like and what exactly the X card does to really do a nice burst of dmg (can hit pretty well). Micro-management is also advisable and calculate whether this is the moment to use crit hit100%/crit dmg50% + 40% dmg (if successful) for 4sec. With her, as with Bard/Pala it is advisable to know the boss mechanics perfectly.


btw and ofc it all comes down to rng

[CreamQween]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Phedra:

I've played arcanist to 1000 gear score and I can easily say that she is really so hard to play/ get used to her mechanics. You are expected to hit constant damage in lobbies because you are a dps class but stacking cards and using these stacks with ur ruin skills may be complicated sometimes. Moreover, bosses that have huge cc such as any raid boss are challenging her. Also, she has a very limited game style, which means that she has some specific combos to hit good damages. Briefly, she is very fun to play with and extremely hard as well.

Yeah I had a feeling it’s still too early to tell since I’m only on tortoyk and there’s virtually no challenge lmao, so as of now she’s really fun. Definitely not something I’m used to but hoping to master arcanist mechs once I start joining lobbies later on.

Currently running empress (except a couple missing skill runes) since I’ve read it’s easier than emperor and also slowly getting my engravings sorted out. Is there anything you recommend for builds or even gems later on? I really wanna maximize early enough in the game to where I don’t struggle if I play her to endgame

[CreamQween]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cerventus:

The problem with the arcana is her tarot, you have to remember what the graphics of all 12 (empress) look like and what exactly the X card does to really do a nice burst of dmg (can hit pretty well). Micro-management is also advisable and calculate whether this is the moment to use crit hit100%/crit dmg50% + 40% dmg (if successful) for 4sec. With her, as with Bard/Pala it is advisable to know the boss mechanics perfectly.


btw and ofc it all comes down to rng

That’s honestly what I’m struggling with. Like I can deal with stacking and her play style, I actually really love it. But with the cards I either completely forget about the deck or randomly use a card unless I hover over and read what it is.

Which I’m sure is fine for now but not something I wanna do at higher ilvl. So I guess I’m wondering if there’s any way to really memorize them or is it more like memorize key ones/randomly use them?

[Cerventus]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CreamQween:

That’s honestly what I’m struggling with. Like I can deal with stacking and her play style, I actually really love it. But with the cards I either completely forget about the deck or randomly use a card unless I hover over and read what it is.

Which I’m sure is fine for now but not something I wanna do at higher ilvl. So I guess I’m wondering if there’s any way to really memorize them or is it more like memorize key ones/randomly use them?

I think a lot of players who play it will just tell you that practice. So play play and play again.

I personally read the description of the cards every day before I start playing arcana (it's not my main) to remind myself but sooner or later you will remember.

btw, even today I mistook 'wheel of fate' with 'star' because they have similar illustrations hehe

[Katzh]

people difficulty standards are very low.
nothing new here.

[Internet Waste]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CreamQween:

I’ve been eyeing arcanist since it was released, but I’ve heard mostly mixed reviews with a lot of people saying they hate it and that it’s the hardest class in the game. So ofc decided to make an arcanist alt a few days ago and replay from beginning of game instead of using powerpass (which I’ve used with all of my alts) so I can get get used to the play style and also see what all the complaints are about and I’m…honestly really confused?

Maybe it’s still too early to tell since I just hit tortoyk (roughly 40lvl/200 ilvl with only a couple skill runes missing on my build) but so far I LOVE this class. To anyone who plays/attempted to play arcanist, are most people talking out their asses or is this really the “most difficult class” to learn/play?

She's squishy, she's very gear-dependant (expect subpar performance until at the VERY LEAST 1430, and even still you're not a top dog the same way that say, Deathblade, Sorceress and such are) and on top of all that, she still has a relatively high skill cap with managing her decks, all to attain "average" performance. That's why "people don't like her". It's hard to justify (illustrative example) dumping 100 hours into learning the intricacies of a class to then have it perform at a standard that you can reach with 15 hours into another class.

Did I mention she's squishy? And unlike Sorceress, you can't just mail in your DPS from a different zipcode, you actually have to be somewhat in the thick of the fight. Add that to some builds actually using Ambush Master and requiring Back Attacks (I think it's *MOSTLY* variations of Emperor currently), and that's daunting to a lot of people.

Alternatively you can play Emperor and just chew through cards to get Emperor's procs, but still a significant portion of your damage is "locked" behind understanding the cards you draw and what drawing Card X or Y or Z does to your rotation, for the most part it's not just "draw and resume", they require adjustments to your next actions/skills based on what you draw.

[Tha_T1p]

Arcana is great once you learn how to play it.

[mayonaise]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dr. Moist:

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I know Empress is kinda close range which is why I don't like it, but you don't really need to be melee range with Emperor.
I don't think any Emperor builds rely on back attacking. there's 2 skills at most that have it, and when we get the balance update you can chuck one of them. Empress is probably more likely to use it cause it's on 2 of the damage skills, assuming the balance update doesn't remove their back attacks.

Arguably or not, Arcana's also the best DPS in the game according to the top Arcana player in KR . Other classes can probably do it as well but he's got a short of him using a meme stagger build to do 2.2 billion damage to the monkey we get after 1460.

[Internet Waste]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mayonaise:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dr. Moist:

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Arguably or not, Arcana's also the best DPS in the game according to the top Arcana player in KR . Other classes can probably do it as well but he's got a short of him using a meme stagger build to do 2.2 billion damage to the monkey we get after 1460.

Extremely arguable. The Trixion testing videos and/or streamer benchmarks almost always showcase a summoner, a deathblow striker or the fabled 3spender esoteric wardancer. Either way, it doesn't detract from any of the key points laid out between us two and the rest of the people in the thread.

I stand corrected on the back attack thing, I get Empress/Emperor mixed up all the time

[poLaR_dReAm]

i tried it and i dont like it... first is stacking the buffs to make any dmg, 2nd is cycling the cards or keeping them.

[Nukular Power]

I tried arcana but I was shocked by how little damage it does, even with maxed stacks and etc. When I was the same level on my sorc I was dropping 30k punishing strikes, arcana had nothing that even came close to that (at least up to level 30 when I dropped it to finish levelling sorc instead)