It's time for some math regarding T3 honing

[Dr.Acula]

I've looked at the data regarding honing in T3 and thought it would be a good idea to share some numbers so people could understand why some may consider T3 honing a problem or you can correct me if you think I might've made a mistake.

I will start with the result first which is about getting from itemlevel 1335 to 1370. Itemlevel 1335 is something that is easily manageable when you reach T3 and have completed the relevant quest and dungeon content. So I will assume that you have to start the wall climbin towards 1370 from there.

The time it will aproximately take to reach item level 1370 with currently available daily content is => 14-15 weeks or in other words 3 1/2 months. If you take material to increase the honing chance into consideration then you can probably reduce it to around 3 months.

If you only want to debate this you can jump to the conclusion at the end of the post. The next section is just the explanation of the numbers.

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So how did I get to this number?

A. Considering the available honing material

1. I'm assuming a player will only do the available 2 daily chaos dungeons and guardians
This will bring enough materials for about 1 honing attempt per day

2. Taking the weekly dungeons gontent and vendor materials into consideration
This means you get around 5 more honing attempts per week (early on more and later less because of increased material requirements but the vendors always sell the same amount per week).

So overall working with the materials you receive from the "casual" content you get about 12 honing attempts per week.

B. How much honing is needed to reach 1370?

1. A successful honing will get you 5 item levels
This means to get from 1335 to 1370 you need 7 successful honings per item. A player has 5 armor pieces and a weapon. I will focus only on the armor here as that is the biggest part.

For 5 items with 7 successful honings each you need overall 35 successful honings

2. Taking the low honing chance percentages (1345 => 1350 is 15%)into consideration on average without bonus material a player will need around 5 honing attempts for a successful upgrade (after number 5 the sixth is 100% anyway)

3. So working with the average number of 5 honing attempts per successful upgrade and the requirement of 35 overall successful honings I end up with a 175 honings to get from 1335 to 1370

4. 175 honing attempt divided by about 12 possible honing attempts per week gives me a final number of 14,6 weeks.

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My conclusion:

If you're not willing to do a lot of Chaos Dungeon grinding (and that is the only content I'm seeing at the moment that allows you to get more honing material) you will either have go full whale or wait a long time to be able to do all available content...

Obviously a few more patches will arrive and some more content will be made available. I'm not sure how much it will affect the honing though. And honestly with how the system works at the moment I think there will be a lot of frustrated players because this is just a wall where you will bash your head against hoping for some luck to smwash through.

[Boink]

Originally posted by Novuhz:

''The point is the number is pretty small unless''
You serious? it's a huge ammount of mats on those weekly mats lol can't believe people wouldn't include that in a math to see how long it takes to get there as f2p... Do I really have to make a list of how many mats you get from all those weekly? I'll post it tomorrow because I have to go sleep now.

''There is fine print in that video, that you should actually read. Since the value of shards required increases it might not even worth at some stages. Since most of the mats are going down.''
Not sure what you meant here as prices go down so does everything else, the buying power is still about the same. Guardians used to be 60-70g for 10 and great leap used to be +500g, now guardians are 8g for 10 and great leap are 70g each. You can still buy/sell the same ammount of mats what took a hit was getting huge gold from whales. Plus the point of the video was to show how many mats you get outside CD shop as well not only specific to CD shop. Wanting to not include a bit of endless CD every week is also wrong.

''Wait so you posted a 1370 Ghost ship experience where the OP is talking about GETTING TO 1370.

Also regarding the gold.... the video was posted 2 weeks ago with a fine print on the values of the mats that are going down signifiantly.

Yes please post the numbers relating to Alts -Bloodstones, Pirates coins weekly. It doesn't even cover the amount of Honor leapstones you need. The numbers are related to alts on that respective tier.... then I got me thinking With what you just said.

Originally posted by Novuhz:

Why are you replying here?''
Also did you read my post? Because he said it takes 3 months or w/e to reach 1370 from 1335 and I said it took me less than a month to reach 1395 from 1340 how is that not relevant? and that was without any T3 alts!

Are you going to post how much you spend as well?

[Dr.Acula]

Some have accused me of not taking weekly materials from vendors into consideration. This is not true. I've taken them into consideration (see first post) and said that based on what I'm seeing they are worth about 5 extra honing attempts. If I'm underestimating that number, please let me know how many honing attempts you think they actually provide.

1. Winter Token
2. Arkesian Token
3. Pirate Coins
4. Blood Shards

PVP related honing materials are dependant on your PVP rank and for me not a viable option as you have to play PVP to get there and I strongly dislike PVP in Lost Ark

[Almeidas31]

Dr. Acula dont spend time it some idiots.
Your post is ok, they are just soo blind in cover any aspect of the game, that at some minimal miss understanding of a word, they will bring everything upon you..
Trust me, just ignore them

[Inquity]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

I've looked at the data regarding honing in T3 and thought it would be a good idea to share some numbers so people could understand why some may consider T3 honing a problem or you can correct me if you think I might've made a mistake.

I will start with the result first which is about getting from itemlevel 1335 to 1370. Itemlevel 1335 is something that is easily manageable when you reach T3 and have completed the relevant quest and dungeon content. So I will assume that you have to start the wall climbin towards 1370 from there.

The time it will aproximately take to reach item level 1370 with currently available daily content is => 14-15 weeks or in other words 3 1/2 months. If you take material to increase the honing chance into consideration then you can probably reduce it to around 3 months.

If you only want to debate this you can jump to the conclusion at the end of the post. The next section is just the explanation of the numbers.

__________________________________________________________
So how did I get to this number?

A. Considering the available honing material

1. I'm assuming a player will only do the available 2 daily chaos dungeons and guardians
This will bring enough materials for about 1 honing attempt per day

2. Taking the weekly dungeons gontent and vendor materials into consideration
This means you get around 5 more honing attempts per week (early on more and later less because of increased material requirements but the vendors always sell the same amount per week).

So overall working with the materials you receive from the "casual" content you get about 12 honing attempts per week.

B. How much honing is needed to reach 1370?

1. A successful honing will get you 5 item levels
This means to get from 1335 to 1370 you need 7 successful honings per item. A player has 5 armor pieces and a weapon. I will focus only on the armor here as that is the biggest part.

For 5 items with 7 successful honings each you need overall 35 successful honings

2. Taking the low honing chance percentages (1345 => 1350 is 15%)into consideration on average without bonus material a player will need around 5 honing attempts for a successful upgrade (after number 5 the sixth is 100% anyway)

3. So working with the average number of 5 honing attempts per successful upgrade and the requirement of 35 overall successful honings I end up with a 175 honings to get from 1335 to 1370

4. 175 honing attempt divided by about 12 possible honing attempts per week gives me a final number of 14,6 weeks.

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My conclusion:

If you're not willing to do a lot of Chaos Dungeon grinding (and that is the only content I'm seeing at the moment that allows you to get more honing material) you will either have go full whale or wait a long time to be able to do all available content...

Obviously a few more patches will arrive and some more content will be made available. I'm not sure how much it will affect the honing though. And honestly with how the system works at the moment I think there will be a lot of frustrated players because this is just a wall where you will bash your head against hoping for some luck to smwash through.

3 1/2 months dude i just made it through the wall in 3 weeks your math is ♥♥♥♥. That's doing my daily's everyday making sure i hit my abyss's, $0 spent.

[Dr.Acula]

Originally posted by Inquity:

3 1/2 months dude i just made it through the wall in 3 weeks your math is ♥♥♥♥. That's doing my daily's everyday making sure i hit my abyss's, $0 spent.

Sorry but I call bs on that. I can see the materials I get from the Abyssal Dungeon and the dailies. It's not enough to push like that.

[Totta]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Originally posted by Inquity:

3 1/2 months dude i just made it through the wall in 3 weeks your math is ♥♥♥♥. That's doing my daily's everyday making sure i hit my abyss's, $0 spent.

Sorry but I call bs on that. I can see the materials I get from the Abyssal Dungeon and the dailies. It's not enough to push like that.

Once they released the 2 events and BUFFED the naruni race the influx of mats has been insane.

It is very possible to get through that wall in 3 weeks considering the insane amount of mats we get every thursday.

im currently 1390 and my alt JUST got to t3 2 days ago so i basically did all of it alt-less.

i spent $26, $15 on the founders pack and $11 on that crystal package deal.

Did you take into consideration mari's shop? it literally gives an insane amount of mats every 12 hours.

The reason why people are disagreeing with your math is because it hasn't taken anybody (who's been playing since day 1 efficiently) that long to get through the wall...and I did it without alts.

[公主]

I hit 1370 in around three weeks as f2p with no alts in t3 yet most of my hours are spent on horizontal progression it's rlly like 1-2 hours to do your dailies I don't know where you've gotten three months from with the influx of mats going around rn from all of these events but perhaps you should be taking advantage of them and using your time efficiently so you can finish the necessities without spending too much of your time and you will be hitting 1370 soon with no problems

[Novuhz]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Originally posted by Inquity:

3 1/2 months dude i just made it through the wall in 3 weeks your math is ♥♥♥♥. That's doing my daily's everyday making sure i hit my abyss's, $0 spent.

Sorry but I call bs on that. I can see the materials I get from the Abyssal Dungeon and the dailies. It's not enough to push like that.

But it is wrong lol it took me 3-4 weeks to get to 1395 from 1340 lol and I didn't paid a single cent xD imagine if I did endless CD.

[Boink]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Originally posted by Inquity:

3 1/2 months dude i just made it through the wall in 3 weeks your math is ♥♥♥♥. That's doing my daily's everyday making sure i hit my abyss's, $0 spent.

Sorry but I call bs on that. I can see the materials I get from the Abyssal Dungeon and the dailies. It's not enough to push like that.

Some players here are either memeing, whaling or RMT.

They are exaggerating this value. Although I can personally say it helps me.

Buffed Naruni events: (Started last week) Weekly

X 1 Metallurgy Basic Welding
X 5 Tailor Mending

Honor Leapstones X 50
Destruction Stones Crystals x 750
Guardian Stones crystals X 2000

Guardian Event: (Started Last Week) Weekly.

X 2 Mettalurgy Basic Welding
X 10 Tailoring Basic Mending

Honor Leapstones X 75
Destruction Stone Crystals X 200
Guardian Stone Crystals x 600.

Then players are saying they are getting it from their dailies and just Abyssals.

If we use the calculator here: https://lost-ark.maxroll.gg/upgrade-calculator The honor leapstones required kills majority of the narratives here. Like this recent claim about 1 month, 2 hours a day.

With spending real money yes. If it is FTP boils down to really lucky streaks which I believe can happen. But we are talking about "average".

[bLz']

Originally posted by Novuhz:

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Sorry but I call bs on that. I can see the materials I get from the Abyssal Dungeon and the dailies. It's not enough to push like that.

But it is wrong lol it took me 3-4 weeks to get to 1395 from 1340 lol and I didn't paid a single cent xD imagine if I did endless CD.

nobody who is 1390 took 3 months.
the game is out for 1 month. most of us are f2p. i dont have any twinks.
something is way off. but no idea what it is.

[Jordan_Peterson]

I refuted your calculations with:
"I have no life and reached 1395 in 4 weeks" (and maybe I will lie about how much I spend in the game).
I dont think something is off, he just took the "worst case scenario".

[Demøn]

Stay away from math that's terrible, i'm 1405 f2p player with only 1 t3 alt right now and the game is release since less than 2months. But it would take 14 to 15 week just to do 1340-1370. Am i a superhero and all my friends too? ( they're around 1395 to 1400 )

Actually with all events it takes an average of 1-2 weeks to do 1340-1370 as f2p if u play the game correclty ( depends on luck ).

1) 1 try per day with dailies? never got that and even at 1405 i have 3-4try per day.
2) 5 honing for weekly reset day? It's around 10-11.
3) + gold from playing the game who give you some try
4) + increase chance of honing withs full juice mats
5) + mats from events ( ghost ship, boss event )
6) Tons of books +10% chance honing with events

I never did chaos dungeon endless farm in t3 because you don't need to and it gives rly short things for the time spend, if you wanna play more do alts first

[bLz']

Originally posted by They ruined Baldurs Gate:

I refuted your calculations with:
"I have no life and reached 1395 in 4 weeks" (and maybe I will lie about how much I spend in the game).
I dont think something is off, he just took the "worst case scenario".

literally nobody who is 1370 or 1390 took 3 months.
nobody. not even the f2ps. not even the f2ps with no alt. not even the f2ps with no alt and a job.
that is just not possible for it to be the average.
something is off.

[Jordan_Peterson]

Originally posted by bLaze':

Originally posted by They ruined Baldurs Gate:

I refuted your calculations with:
"I have no life and reached 1395 in 4 weeks" (and maybe I will lie about how much I spend in the game).
I dont think something is off, he just took the "worst case scenario".

literally nobody who is 1370 or 1390 took 3 months.
nobody. not even the f2ps. not even the f2ps with no alt. not even the f2ps with no alt and a job.
that is just not possible for it to be the average.
something is off.

read again what I wrote and then think and then come back.....

[Boink]

Originally posted by Demøn:

Stay away from math that's terrible, i'm 1405 f2p player with only 1 t3 alt right now and the game is release since less than 2months.

Actually with all events it takes an average of 1-2 weeks to do 1340-1370 as f2p if u play the game correclty ( depends on luck ).

This points alone contradict a lot of things you said. The events I listed are the mats you get multiply it by 2 since the "BUFF" event are up for 2 weeks. 1340-1370 requires 920 honor leapstones. This event total gives 250 leapstones.

Again we can argue luck but we are talking about "average" here. I call *cough* on that 1405 "FTP". 1 alt but not doing endless chaos dungeon.... sooo fishy.