Soulfist.

[Mattman]

can someone explain to me why soulfist is trashcan weak? how are you going to have a goku styled class and make it weaker than a wet noodle...

before you stupid fks come in with your "you need the right engravings/ this and that, gems this gems that, right build this right build that" play a soulfist before you talk son, they're trashcan.

BUFF soulfist... i do more damage on my bard. a 100+ il lower other classes can out damage a soulfist. stupid developers.

nothing agitates me more than my whole team dying on a guardian raid... and my soulfist can't do sht because it's beyond weak. i'd have a better chance carrying on a bard.

i WAS FORCED to change mains because soulfist is SOOO FKN WEAK, it's beyond ridiculous how people say "this game is balanced" they're stupid to believe so.

[RotherHans]

Originally posted by Exibar:

https://youtu.be/abUmMHRWtoo

whoop-di-effin-dooda

-T3
-optimal engravings
-veteran player

wooow LOLfist is SSOOO guud!!

[Offence]

Originally posted by Exibar:

https://youtu.be/abUmMHRWtoo

This class is super gear depandent , it will start shining probably early 1415 with enough stats / bonus set. Till then gl :)

[Zagbok1]

Originally posted by SieEhmBe:

can someone explain to me why soulfist is trashcan weak? how are you going to have a goku styled class and make it weaker than a wet noodle...

before you stupid fks come in with your "you need the right engravings/ this and that, gems this gems that, right build this right build that" play a soulfist before you talk son, they're trashcan.

BUFF soulfist... i do more damage on my bard. a 100+ il lower other classes can out damage a soulfist. stupid developers.

nothing agitates me more than my whole team dying on a guardian raid... and my soulfist can't do sht because it's beyond weak. i'd have a better chance carrying on a bard.

i WAS FORCED to change mains because soulfist is SOOO ♥♥♥ WEAK, it's beyond ridiculous how people say "this game is balanced" they're stupid to believe so. :salt:

Hi soulfist main here, I can see why you would think that, but in actuality they are very strong if you know how to play them. Its not easy it is why they have a high skill ceiling. IT is also why more go with Robust Spirit as it is an easier build to play. Though yes it can be tough to hit with the spirit bomb, but they are to heavily reliant on that and if you know the boss then its not hard to hit with. Energy overflow though on the other hand, is harder to play with and to get top dps, but that being said @1366 I have no issue taking MVP most times having atleast 30% dmg done and usually 40% stagger etc... You may not want to hear it, but i sounds like you just don't know how to play soulfist, it has a high skill ceiling for a reason, its not a beginner friendly class at all. Best of luck to you though hopefully one day you figure it out as they are a very fun class to play. You can find me on Galatur server names Phastia.

[Zagbok1]

Originally posted by Kithyx:

They should have given soulfist god tier stagger, so at least we wouldn't have to rely on other classes to stagger the boss so we can land world decimation.

Lol this makes me wonder if you ever played a soulfist. We have god tier lvls of stagger if you know what you are doing and take the right abilities.

[MASTERNIKOFTW]

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Originally posted by Kithyx:

They should have given soulfist god tier stagger, so at least we wouldn't have to rely on other classes to stagger the boss so we can land world decimation.

Lol this makes me wonder if you ever played a soulfist. We have god tier lvls of stagger if you know what you are doing and take the right abilities.

I KNEW IT! now i dont feel as bad going in on stagger damage.

i use father son kamehameha just to deal more stagger damage

its the only way i feel like i can help team. but still i wish somehow can crit atleast 1 million on one hit from lighting palm to counter

[Branthrax]

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Originally posted by Kithyx:

They should have given soulfist god tier stagger, so at least we wouldn't have to rely on other classes to stagger the boss so we can land world decimation.

Lol this makes me wonder if you ever played a soulfist. We have god tier lvls of stagger if you know what you are doing and take the right abilities.

Lol, there's one stagger ability in the core raid build for Spirit Bomb and that's Shadowbreaker. I guess Mericless Pummel too, but that's low stagger. Gunlancer, Artillerist are "god-tier stagger", even Deathblade. Let's even throw in Scrapper, especially with the 20% buff.

Do you actually "play" Soulfist? Seems like you only play Soulfist which is funny with the condescending attitude.

[Zagbok1]

Originally posted by MASTERNIKOFTW:

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Lol this makes me wonder if you ever played a soulfist. We have god tier lvls of stagger if you know what you are doing and take the right abilities.

I KNEW IT! now i dont feel as bad going in on stagger damage.

i use father son kamehameha just to deal more stagger damage

its the only way i feel like i can help team. but still i wish somehow can crit atleast 1 million on one hit from lighting palm to counter

Soulfist is very hard to build, cause they require good gear, gems, engravings, high amount of skill points, and to not suck. Now you could say well any class would be good if they had all that. This is true but soulfist would still be better. If you are doing the kamehameha awakening then I am assuming you are going energy overflow? I mean you don't have to but that is the awakening most use with that build. Funny enough that is the build I use as well. It is possible to hit 1mil+ with lightning palm, plus we have 2 counters with Bolting Crash, then our staggers we have multiple ranging from low-mid and mid-high if you take their abils. With Shadowbreaker I can clear 2mil+ with crits and it has high stagger coupled with legendary overwhelm rune for 30% incr stagger dmg. So yeah idk why that person talking about us not having god tier lvls of stagger. Bolting Crash, Force Orb, Flashstep, Shadowbreaker, Lightning Palm, Pulverizing Palm, Merciless Pummel, Energy-blast, Kamehameha, the list goes on. In my energy overflow build if I go hype 3, I can spam the living ♥♥♥♥ out of all those abils, cause I am well over 60% cdr and I make sure to run quick recharge runes as well so those 8-12% cdr's proc on top of it, can wreck stagger bars np, but hype 3 isn't even necessary.

All those saying soulfist hits like a wet noodle or is trash, they are right, cause they are played like trash and have trash builds its expected. Its not a class that is easily built or played, and out of robust spirit and energy overflow, EOF is much harder to play at end game then RS, and even harder to deck out as you want swiftness-crit-spec balance, but ofc more in swiftness but decent amount of spec to assist the awakening as well as spirit regen to get back into hype lvl 2 faster since that is where u will mainly want to be, look into passive crit like precise dagger/adrenaline rush coupled with Keen-blunt for the 50% extra crit dmg, that is until later as we get a lot of crit rate from gear sets later on somewhere around 20%. so with a 20% base crit chance + 20% from gear set, 20% from precise dagger and 15% from adrenaline u will be at 75% crit chance, which is where u want to be at and u will have about 238% crit dmg. This is just a portion of the things you should be gearing towards for soulfists, but i would need pages to write all that ♥♥♥♥ out. GL though with your soulfist.

[Zagbok1]

Originally posted by Branthrax:

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Lol this makes me wonder if you ever played a soulfist. We have god tier lvls of stagger if you know what you are doing and take the right abilities.

Lol, there's one stagger ability in the core raid build for Spirit Bomb and that's Shadowbreaker. I guess Mericless Pummel too, but that's low stagger. Gunlancer, Artillerist are "god-tier stagger", even Deathblade. Let's even throw in Scrapper, especially with the 20% buff.

Do you actually "play" Soulfist? Seems like you only play Soulfist which is funny with the condescending attitude.

uh yeah i only play soulfist, no alts, i said that "soulfist main" also yeah we have god tier lvls of stagger u just gotta know how to play the class and stop reading guides, and i dont need to play other classes to know when i usually am sitting at 40% stagger every guardian/abyss etc...

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Originally posted by Branthrax:

Lol, there's one stagger ability in the core raid build for Spirit Bomb and that's Shadowbreaker. I guess Mericless Pummel too, but that's low stagger. Gunlancer, Artillerist are "god-tier stagger", even Deathblade. Let's even throw in Scrapper, especially with the 20% buff.

Do you actually "play" Soulfist? Seems like you only play Soulfist which is funny with the condescending attitude.

uh yeah i only play soulfist, no alts, i said that "soulfist main" also yeah we have god tier lvls of stagger u just gotta know how to play the class and stop reading guides.

You should make an experiment, since you said you never play other classes, try it, see if you can find any other class that does any worse than soulfist, ever.

[Zagbok1]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

uh yeah i only play soulfist, no alts, i said that "soulfist main" also yeah we have god tier lvls of stagger u just gotta know how to play the class and stop reading guides.

You should make an experiment, since you said you never play other classes, try it, see if you can find any other class that does any worse than soulfist, ever.

Any worse in what?

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Originally posted by VoiD:

You should make an experiment, since you said you never play other classes, try it, see if you can find any other class that does any worse than soulfist, ever.

Any worse in what?

Everything.

[MASTERNIKOFTW]

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Originally posted by MASTERNIKOFTW:

I KNEW IT! now i dont feel as bad going in on stagger damage.

i use father son kamehameha just to deal more stagger damage

its the only way i feel like i can help team. but still i wish somehow can crit atleast 1 million on one hit from lighting palm to counter

Soulfist is very hard to build, cause they require good gear, gems, engravings, high amount of skill points, and to not suck. Now you could say well any class would be good if they had all that. This is true but soulfist would still be better. If you are doing the kamehameha awakening then I am assuming you are going energy overflow? I mean you don't have to but that is the awakening most use with that build. Funny enough that is the build I use as well. It is possible to hit 1mil+ with lightning palm, plus we have 2 counters with Bolting Crash, then our staggers we have multiple ranging from low-mid and mid-high if you take their abils. With Shadowbreaker I can clear 2mil+ with crits and it has high stagger coupled with legendary overwhelm rune for 30% incr stagger dmg. So yeah idk why that person talking about us not having god tier lvls of stagger. Bolting Crash, Force Orb, Flashstep, Shadowbreaker, Lightning Palm, Pulverizing Palm, Merciless Pummel, Energy-blast, Kamehameha, the list goes on. In my energy overflow build if I go hype 3, I can spam the living ♥♥♥♥ out of all those abils, cause I am well over 60% cdr and I make sure to run quick recharge runes as well so those 8-12% cdr's proc on top of it, can wreck stagger bars np, but hype 3 isn't even necessary.

All those saying soulfist hits like a wet noodle or is trash, they are right, cause they are played like trash and have trash builds its expected. Its not a class that is easily built or played, and out of robust spirit and energy overflow, EOF is much harder to play at end game then RS, and even harder to deck out as you want swiftness-crit-spec balance, but ofc more in swiftness but decent amount of spec to assist the awakening as well as spirit regen to get back into hype lvl 2 faster since that is where u will mainly want to be, look into passive crit like precise dagger/adrenaline rush coupled with Keen-blunt for the 50% extra crit dmg, that is until later as we get a lot of crit rate from gear sets later on somewhere around 20%. so with a 20% base crit chance + 20% from gear set, 20% from precise dagger and 15% from adrenaline u will be at 75% crit chance, which is where u want to be at and u will have about 238% crit dmg. This is just a portion of the things you should be gearing towards for soulfists, but i would need pages to write all that ♥♥♥♥ out. GL though with your soulfist.

yo you just blew my mind... maybe i have been screwing myself going into domination instead of swiftness. energy overflow just feels nicer than robust spirit, less cooldown times and i never run out of energy ever

i have been going in on the awakening and supercharge lvl 2 and 3. shid im going to see how precise dagger and adrenaline rush would affect my dps.

i think i needa take this time to rework my engravings/runes because ngl i been using lvl1 broken bone and vital point hit aswell.

thank you

[Nou]

Originally posted by Zagbok1:

Originally posted by Kithyx:

They should have given soulfist god tier stagger, so at least we wouldn't have to rely on other classes to stagger the boss so we can land world decimation.

Lol this makes me wonder if you ever played a soulfist. We have god tier lvls of stagger if you know what you are doing and take the right abilities.

Stagger ranks for Martial Artist: Soulfist < Wardancer < Scrapper
Wardancer + Scrapper have 6+ abilities that are all Mid-High, High
https://lostarkcodex.com/us/skills/battlemaster/
https://lostarkcodex.com/us/skills/infighter/

Soulfist staggers are low-mid, mid-high like you said. No staggers are naturally high, except Energy Blast w/concussion or the 2nd Ultimate. With that, I'd say we only have 2 high staggers. Other concerns are "Overwhelm"-Increase Stagger dmg +X%. It increase the dmg of stagger ability not the amount of stagger. So Shadowbreaker is still "mid" stagger but dmg just increase.

However, I Agree with you. Soulfist isn't beginner friendly, she's heavily dependent on gear/engraving/skills (game-play skills/ Skill Tripod optimization). Energy Overflow is also my choice; you have survivability and constant dmg. You can spam more abilities + dodge attack + back attacks.

For all Soulfist Mains out there my top recommend are:
Swiftness + Crit
Energy Overflow Lvl.1
(Choose any of below)
Keen Blunt Lvl.2/Lvl.3
Raid Captain Lvl.2/Lvl.3
Precise Dag Lvl.2/Lvl.3
Ambush Master Lvl.2/Lvl.3
Adrenaline Lvl.2/Lvl.3

[Gus]

I started with Sorceress had a very smooth leveling experience, got her to 1325 and got bored, the class was not for me.
Then I decided to change to soulfist, got her to 1325 too.
People try to defend Soulfist saying it will get better, well maybe it will. But for our content the damage the class brings, its just terrible.
I think I can get groups to do activities because people are still in that vibe that every class is viable, but after some time, once they start to play with different things the concept of tier list will come back really fast, and certain classes will have a hard time.
And most of the people defending soulfists are playing zerker and do not even have one lol.
It is unfortunate because the the class is pretty cool.