Need some advice/tips on Guardian Raids

[Void God]

Sank almost 100 hours and just taking my time and really enjoying the game. I'm just really trash when it comes to raids.

Currently got a paladin at ilvl470 and first 3 tier 1 raids I found relatively easy.
However, trying Vertus and Chromanium, just get completely obliterated.

Some runs go better than others and I do have a good support build orientated around buffing and helping the DPS players on my team but when I try to get DPS in or go for a stagger, seem to end up going badly, getting caught into an attack and dying almost instantly.

I understand it'll take practice to get better with them and that's what I'm doing but any tips are appreciated to help me improve as a paladin and generally in guardian raids.

[RJboxer]

I have been clogging steam forums with this for a few hours now. It is getting bad on US EAST ... most trolls in forums don't know. so argue that there isn't an issue or there is an easy fix.. They are wrong.

You are right.

1- Vertus is 420. REQUIRED. Minimum. Now think about that.. if this was your fifth character, and you were a korea player, You'd probably have most if not all collectibles, a huge Roster book. a great build. a superior understanding of the mechanics etc. Extra stat from quests.. Extra stats from finishing Zones etc. Most people in game currently have NONE of those things. So yeah 420 is a minimum. But you better be GOOOOOOD. or be carried. (not "you" personally, I use that generically)

2- I tend to carry in that one (shadow 598) because going to the next one isn't easier. Chromium at 460 just means I get 3 noobs at 460... who all die instantly. Leaving me alone. So I have a CHANCE to finish it. But at 420.. if I have EVEN one extra person with me we got a shot. (hopefully a pally 480 or higher..). But if not,, yeah I can't kill the boss, when all aggro on me, and we have no lives left. because of the other low levels.

3- That out of the way, all you gotta do for Vertus Is use flares to find him fast. And burn him down. Your lowest level dudes (420-430) will die instantly. None of them are playing "their third alt, with a roster book of 60.. and tons and tons of collectibles". These people are on their first char and still button mashing.

Your goal should be to keep you, and ANY high lvl dps alive. Make sure your shield covers you two when u pop it. Then hope for the best. Save your Potions for when you or your DPS gets in his claws. After he spits/spews you out. Pop it.. ASAP. then jump out of way. Try to attack at side, use any move skill NOT to close with him, but to Sprint away when he about to tail spin, and stun u both.

And of course, when he goes invincible hes jumping under water, and will pop out (usually by DPS) and do big damage. So spread out the two of you. And hope for the best. Dont BOTH get caught by the re-emergence from the water.

I feel Vertus should be the trainer Guardian as it is failed so often with low levels, and this is their first look at "whoa Im 420 and got 2 shot killed, in 18 seconds" It hasnt been like that before, unless they went to a world boss fight, and didnt have minimum gear "hey why cant I hit this guy, and why am I instakilled on any skill". "are you gear 380?" no? then thats why, U insta die. lol.

[Inuakurei]

Originally posted by RJboxer:

I have been clogging steam forums with this for a few hours now. It is getting bad on US EAST ... most trolls in forums don't know. so argue that there isn't an issue or there is an easy fix.. They are wrong.

You are right.

1- Vertus is 420. REQUIRED. Minimum. Now think about that.. if this was your fifth character, and you were a korea player, You'd probably have most if not all collectibles, a huge Roster book. a great build. a superior understanding of the mechanics etc. Extra stat from quests.. Extra stats from finishing Zones etc. Most people in game currently have NONE of those things. So yeah 420 is a minimum. But you better be GOOOOOOD. or be carried. (not "you" personally, I use that generically)

2- I tend to carry in that one (shadow 598) because going to the next one isn't easier. Chromium at 460 just means I get 3 noobs at 460... who all die instantly. Leaving me alone. So I have a CHANCE to finish it. But at 420.. if I have EVEN one extra person with me we got a shot. (hopefully a pally 480 or higher..). But if not,, yeah I can't kill the boss, when all aggro on me, and we have no lives left. because of the other low levels.

3- That out of the way, all you gotta do for Vertus Is use flares to find him fast. And burn him down. Your lowest level dudes (420-430) will die instantly. None of them are playing "their third alt, with a roster book of 60.. and tons and tons of collectibles". These people are on their first char and still button mashing.

Your goal should be to keep you, and ANY high lvl dps alive. Make sure your shield covers you two when u pop it. Then hope for the best. Save your Potions for when you or your DPS gets in his claws. After he spits/spews you out. Pop it.. ASAP. then jump out of way. Try to attack at side, use any move skill NOT to close with him, but to Sprint away when he about to tail spin, and stun u both.

And of course, when he goes invincible hes jumping under water, and will pop out (usually by DPS) and do big damage. So spread out the two of you. And hope for the best. Dont BOTH get caught by the re-emergence from the water.

I feel Vertus should be the trainer Guardian as it is failed so often with low levels, and this is their first look at "whoa Im 420 and got 2 shot killed, in 18 seconds" It hasnt been like that before, unless they went to a world boss fight, and didnt have minimum gear "hey why cant I hit this guy, and why am I instakilled on any skill". "are you gear 380?" no? then thats why, U insta die. lol.

You must be fun at parties.

[Void God]

Originally posted by RJboxer:

Your goal should be to keep you, and ANY high lvl dps alive. Make sure your shield covers you two when u pop it. Then hope for the best. Save your Potions for when you or your DPS gets in his claws. After he spits/spews you out. Pop it.. ASAP. then jump out of way. Try to attack at side, use any move skill NOT to close with him, but to Sprint away when he about to tail spin, and stun u both.

And of course, when he goes invincible hes jumping under water, and will pop out (usually by DPS) and do big damage. So spread out the two of you. And hope for the best. Dont BOTH get caught by the re-emergence from the water.

I feel Vertus should be the trainer Guardian as it is failed so often with low levels, and this is their first look at "whoa Im 420 and got 2 shot killed, in 18 seconds" It hasnt been like that before, unless they went to a world boss fight, and didnt have minimum gear "hey why cant I hit this guy, and why am I instakilled on any skill". "are you gear 380?" no? then thats why, U insta die. lol.

Thanks for the advice, yes I tend to try and push others to give them as much damage and survivability as possible. However, currently at least the boss I'm just practising on currently, Chromanium, I can't seem to survive very well if I try to get dps in too due to getting caught by that one unlucky attack.

Which I hate doing as I end up dying a few times, wasting revives and in-term being a worse support due to lack of buffs being provided. On top of this, I feel I need to generally improve as a pally player, which I'm currently struggling to do in Raids due to dying quick. Trying to be very active rather than just buff and sit. Going for counters + getting dps in, however as mentioned ends up me dying.

Would you or anyone else say it's better to get less hits in a back off being a "idle" or go for more risky, higher rewarding dps/counter plays with closer avoiding attacks? As I'm likely going for the latter and failing miserably.

[Inuakurei]

So to give you some advice other than "Overgear the content" or "Pray you get carried".

First tip, you can go back to the spawn to refill your potion uses. Its often better to retreat than die and waste a revive. Especially if you have none left.

For doing damage, try to have the mindset of, its a marathon not a sprint. Don't over commit do doing dps when you aren't sure. Keep in mind, you're learning the fight. All the Guardians have tells and rotations, so its important to learn these so you can more easily tell when its time to do dps, and when its time to respect the Guardian. Over time as you learn the Guardian's attack patterns, you'll naturally learn when to be greedy.

Try to use your shields / buffs at opportune times, not randomly. This comes with knowing the Guardian's tells and patterns. If you know its about to do a big attack, or something hard to dodge, that's when you pop your defensives.

[RJboxer]

Originally posted by Void God:

Thanks for the advice, yes I tend to try and push others to give them as much damage and survivability as possible. However, currently at least the boss I'm just practising on currently, Chromanium, I can't seem to survive very well if I try to get dps in too due to getting caught by that one unlucky attack.

Which I hate doing as I end up dying a few times, wasting revives and in-term being a worse support due to lack of buffs being provided. On top of this, I feel I need to generally improve as a pally player, which I'm currently struggling to do in Raids due to dying quick. Trying to be very active rather than just buff and sit. Going for counters + getting dps in, however as mentioned ends up me dying.

Would you or anyone else say it's better to get less hits in a back off being a "idle" or go for more risky, higher rewarding dps/counter plays with closer avoiding attacks? As I'm likely going for the latter and failing miserably.

Well my opinion, that trolls and people who don't understand the game will refute.. lol.

Is that you are too low for Chromium. As I LITERALLY wrote above.. a 430 in 420 raid is way too low.. and gets SMOKED near instantly. You are fortunate you are a pally, you probably have some survive-ability engravings and you have your higher health pool, and shield. MOST have none of that. If I ran chromium when I was a 470 shadow. I would have died 3 times super fast.. and felt like a tool. and apologized and not run it again for a long time. As a pally, you die less than me I assume. But probably not much.

This was the gripe I outlined. People are NOT strong enough for "min requirement stated" Unless they are carried. Can people in Russia do it? sure, they have roster books of 200, all the collectibles, have killed that boss 9000 times on their main.. etc. For a normal new person on new servers in a new region.. 420 is a LIE. lol. 450 should be its min IMO, (now in 4 months.. that will change.. but for week 1 and week 2,, and MONTH 1.. yeah 420 is too low).

You just confirmed that it is when u said you die a lot in 460. It's not that you are bad. You just arent stacked yet. (gear is only a part of it).

Anyway, yeah I dont run chromium much for JUST that reason. I get in groups with tons of 460-470.. and they all instant die.. then feel bad, and go silent. And I gotta fight boss for 10 minutes solo, until I die.

[Void God]

Originally posted by Inuakurei:

So to give you some advice other than "Overgear the content" or "Pray you get carried".

First tip, you can go back to the spawn to refill your potion uses. Its often better to retreat than die and waste a revive. Especially if you have none left.

Oh didn't know this, thanks for that.

Originally posted by Inuakurei:

For doing damage, try to have the mindset of, its a marathon not a sprint. Don't over commit do doing dps when you aren't sure. Keep in mind, you're learning the fight. All the Guardians have tells and rotations, so its important to learn these so you can more easily tell when its time to do dps, and when its time to respect the Guardian. Over time as you learn the Guardian's attack patterns, you'll naturally learn when to be greedy.

Try to use your shields / buffs at opportune times, not randomly. This comes with knowing the Guardian's tells and patterns. If you know its about to do a big attack, or something hard to dodge, that's when you pop your defensives.

Yeah I should try to have that mindset, however end up conflicting it and thinking "I'm not doing enough" and end up over committing and dying.

And yeah hence trying to watch videos and practice too to know mechs more of the bosses and be a better support.

Thanks for your advice.

[Void God]

Originally posted by RJboxer:

You just confirmed that it is when u said you die a lot in 460. It's not that you are bad. You just arent stacked yet. (gear is only a part of it).

You might be right, I still feel really bad and die/take too much damage and need to still work on it. Would you personally recommend going out of your way to focus more on the collectables, getting extra skill points, etc over ilevel or keep pushing ilevel until certain ilevel or tier?

[RJboxer]

Originally posted by Void God:

Originally posted by RJboxer:

You just confirmed that it is when u said you die a lot in 460. It's not that you are bad. You just arent stacked yet. (gear is only a part of it).

You might be right, I still feel really bad and die/take too much damage and need to still work on it. Would you personally recommend going out of your way to focus more on the collectables, getting extra skill points, etc over ilevel or keep pushing ilevel until certain ilevel or tier?

Well my friend you aint alone. That's why I dont do the Fox raid. Its close to my level. but I dont wanna be "that dude" dying 4 times, in 3 minutes.. and leaving some 800s to try and carry me. and HOPE they succeed lol

I personally, wouldn't rush. Well I do rush GEAR (I didnt rush in beginning, I did ALLLLLL quests. until I couldnt take it anymore lol).

But for gear so much is locked out based on that, And materials are tough to get, unless u "island" a lot.

If I did it again, I'd do MC only, then hit islands, then level up to 600. Do the dungeon for the 802 pieces.. then gear them up. That to me opens A LOT of the game up. And isn't super hard (if you work on it early enough). Sure collectibles, and stuff make you tougher. but those are long journeys. For minimal benefit. Until u get far along in them. Hitting gear 800 (which can then be taken to 1000 pretty quick) is much faster than finding 1200 mokoko seeds.

What to do now? Well, if I was a 470 pally. i'd work on gear. I'd run 340-400 raids .. if you can do 460 chaos dungeons (or whatever the break down is .. I forget) do them. they are solo, and just button mashing anyway. AND YOU CAN DIE with no penalty lol.

But i'd stay away from 460 abyssals, and guardians. until I was 520.. and HOPE the server catches up to you by then. And its not you at 520, and 3 scrubs at 460.. who all instadie. and want u to carry lol.

For a reference, I've done most stuff near my level. And I tend to farm First few Abyssals. Raids up to vertys, and chaos dungeon to 580. (Im not quite 600 yet). And I have no issues doing everything well... until I get a vertus with low levels, and they die.... way too fast. Usually in under 5 minutes, all 3 free deaths are gone. then we lose them again.. and are down to 2 players.. with no free deaths left for the group. Wheeeee fun.

[Void God]

Originally posted by RJboxer:

Well my friend you aint alone. That's why I dont do the Fox raid. Its close to my level. but I dont wanna be "that dude" dying 4 times, in 3 minutes.. and leaving some 800s to try and carry me. and HOPE they succeed lol

I personally, wouldn't rush. Well I do rush GEAR (I didnt rush in beginning, I did ALLLLLL quests. until I couldnt take it anymore lol).

But for gear so much is locked out based on that, And materials are tough to get, unless u "island" a lot.

If I did it again, I'd do MC only, then hit islands, then level up to 600. Do the dungeon for the 802 pieces.. then gear them up. That to me opens A LOT of the game up. And isn't super hard (if you work on it early enough). Sure collectibles, and stuff make you tougher. but those are long journeys. For minimal benefit. Until u get far along in them. Hitting gear 800 (which can then be taken to 1000 pretty quick) is much faster than finding 1200 mokoko seeds.

What to do now? Well, if I was a 470 pally. i'd work on gear. I'd run 340-400 raids .. if you can do 460 chaos dungeons (or whatever the break down is .. I forget) do them. they are solo, and just button mashing anyway. AND YOU CAN DIE with no penalty lol.

But i'd stay away from 460 abyssals, and guardians. until I was 520.. and HOPE the server catches up to you by then. And its not you at 520, and 3 scrubs at 460.. who all instadie. and want u to carry lol.

For a reference, I've done most stuff near my level. And I tend to farm First few Abyssals. Raids up to vertys, and chaos dungeon to 580. (Im not quite 600 yet). And I have no issues doing everything well... until I get a vertus with low levels, and they die.... way too fast. Usually in under 5 minutes, all 3 free deaths are gone. then we lose them again.. and are down to 2 players.. with no free deaths left for the group. Wheeeee fun.

Thanks for all your advice, I appreciate it and I'll take note.

[MaFiX]

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https://lost-ark.maxroll.gg

[Oscar.David]

Originally posted by MaFiX:

If you want to get a lot of info and guides i recommend this site
https://lost-ark.maxroll.gg

thanks, good page for newbies

[Void God]

Originally posted by MaFiX:

If you want to get a lot of info and guides i recommend this site
https://lost-ark.maxroll.gg

Thanks i'll be sure to check it out and use it.

[Wanderer]

I recommend going in solo into the guardian raid. You will have the aggro of the boss all the time and it forces you to learn the mechanics, dodge and do damage at the same time. I do this too, if i feel confident i will jump into group matching.
Other thing as mentioned, for Vertus the requirement is 420, but a lot of people were going with 480-500 trying to outgear the boss. Vertus is the first hard boss you will see so a lot of people were struggling with it.

[NovaGenetics]

The #1 thing you should do is NOT join a guardian raid as soon as you unlock it. Second, make sure you have relevant gear and have your engravings figured out. Third, make sure you have your awakening. All of these things are important in the later fights, because they become much harder and require plenty of teamwork. Vertus is probably the first roadblock most people will face. (And the one I'm currently facing since most people I join don't know the mechanics.)

[Itty Bitty Diddy]

vertus is faceroll easy just get to like 480+ ilvl first even if team dies can usually finish him..i've had as high as 76% of team dmg on him though. people are bad and the game's new so...growing pains i guess.