walk mode

[Player 1]

there will be a walk mode like in the trailer in the city would be soo cool when you throw a grenade and you slowly go aways when explotes back of you

[Groovin’ g00n]

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Hmm. The idea of making the stamina scale make hits weaker, or not at all, is good, but I don’t know if it’s worth making another scale, and so there is “coolness” and “health”. I'm a fan of games in which you can immerse yourself to the maximum, and therefore have as little interface as possible, but that's just my opinion. By the way, I would move the money counter to a separate interface element and show it only when the balance changes

Yeah, having 3 different scales could be too much. We'll have to see how it feels in the next play test. Good idea about moving the money counter. That would make room for the Stamina. I just added a new map menu, and I will probably add inventory soon. So the money count can go in there.

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I think stamina should also affect dodging. I always thought dodging should be separate from slow motion and specials, and I think this is probably the best way to handle it.

Yes, that's a good point. I can put dodging under stamina. Maybe on low stamina, aiming sniper rifles will be wobbly. Also, I can use stamina for holding your breath under water.

What do you guys think I should use for the Stamina icon? Like a running bean? a battery icon? or a flexing bicep? A sneaker running?

I think the sneaker makes the most sense. It conveys that it’s for movement based stuff, and the battery might get mixed up with the bolt sometime. Dramatic meter could also be a flame, and we could keep the bolt for stamina? Also to make stamina more useful. It could also apply to parkour skills. I understand the idea of 3 maybe being a bit much but movement is so vital in this game, it doesn’t make much sense to drain your ability to avoid attacks to take out a couple beans. Plus, I like to think the dramatic meter starts empty, so you can’t just get all the beans attention, kite them to one spot, and use the breakdance. You gotta earn the move

[Cos2]

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I will probably add inventory soon.

Inventory? I hope it won't turn the game into a rpg-like game and won't slow down the pace of the game, but leave only the most important things like a couple of guns, money, skills and maybe armor.

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Maybe on low stamina, aiming sniper rifles will be wobbly

Good idea. Can be done like the old Call of Duty games. When the button is pressed, the player holds his breath and the sight becomes stable. To compensate for this disadvantage, it will be necessary to either pump the stamina branch, or put bipods on the sniper rifle.

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Also, I can use stamina for holding your breath under water.

I don't know how balanced it would be if a player immediately jumped into the water after running and didn't have enough stamina to hold his breath. Maybe it will be even good and bring additional challenge to the game - calculation of his stamina. It will be something unique among the games, I have not seen anything like it anywhere else.

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What do you guys think I should use for the Stamina icon? Like a running bean? a battery icon? or a flexing bicep? A sneaker running?

Do you even need icons? You can make a solid bar, or you can make icons, it's subjective. Of the above and to where this stamina will be used more suitable battery - vigor charge. Also wanted to offer a similar icon, it can be perceived by everyone in its own way. https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000228117574-0qthy0-t500x500.jpg

[Cos2]

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It could also apply to parkour skills.

I agree. For example, a second jump can use up stamina.

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Plus, I like to think the dramatic meter starts empty, so you can’t just get all the beans attention, kite them to one spot, and use the breakdance. You gotta earn the move

This will add even more to the arcade feel of the game

[Cos2]

Since we're talking about icons in the interface, I'd like to suggest that instead of using the existing ammo icon for each type of ammo (shotguns, assault rifles, sniper rifles) a different ammo icon should be used, as was done in Hotline Miami.

Since we're talking about Hotline Miami, I'd like to insist on the KB's playstyle that he only has paired guns and can only pick up weapons with one magazine. I don't see how guns can break right in his hands, why didn't they break in the hands of Bad Beans?

So here's the idea. Let's say there are 30 rounds in the magazine, before you pick up the gun, Bean has fired 9 rounds from it. You pick up the weapon, and the game does not show how many rounds are left in the magazine, because neither you nor KB did not count how many shots were fired. Either the ammo interface element isn't there at all, or there's a question mark there. If you want to know how many rounds are left, you just have to press the reload button, the KB will pull out the magazine and see how many rounds are left and the number of rounds on the screen. Almost all of this can be alleviated and removed by upgrading the corresponding branch in the upgrade tree. Or while the KB is holding someone else's weapon, you can not display the number of rounds on the screen, and only show how many rounds are left, as was done in Unrecord. https://youtu.be/IK76q13Aqt0?t=36

[Killer Bean - Developer]

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I think the sneaker makes the most sense. It conveys that it’s for movement based stuff, and the battery might get mixed up with the bolt sometime. Dramatic meter could also be a flame, and we could keep the bolt for stamina? Also to make stamina more useful. It could also apply to parkour skills. I understand the idea of 3 maybe being a bit much but movement is so vital in this game, it doesn’t make much sense to drain your ability to avoid attacks to take out a couple beans. Plus, I like to think the dramatic meter starts empty, so you can’t just get all the beans attention, kite them to one spot, and use the breakdance. You gotta earn the move

I like the idea of dramatic being a flame and stamina being a lighting bolt. A lot of comments I read on youtube always referred to the lighting bolt as stamina. A flame icon is also similar to Street Fighter when you build up to your super move.

Starting the dramatic meter on empty is a good idea, and of course I will have a skill tree to have it regenerate to certain %. Well, maybe it shouldn't start on empty if players want to use slow motion at the beginning of the game. I think slow motion should be a very early skill for KB.

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Inventory? I hope it won't turn the game into a rpg-like game and won't slow down the pace of the game, but leave only the most important things like a couple of guns, money, skills and maybe armor.

There will be some inventory, and I plan to have a quick-access button that you can fill with inventory, like number keys 1-4 or the D-pad on the game controller. Inventory will include things like landmines, remote detonated C4, drones, decoys, hacking tools, lock picks, boost medicine, large health kits. Things like that. A lot of the inventory will be like MGSV and Streets of Rogue. It won't be like Skyrim or Diablo. Oh yeah, I do want to leave open the opportunity to do crafting and collecting too.

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I don't know how balanced it would be if a player immediately jumped into the water after running and didn't have enough stamina to hold his breath. Maybe it will be even good and bring additional challenge to the game - calculation of his stamina. It will be something unique among the games, I have not seen anything like it anywhere else.

I would probably only use stamina if the player swims under water to hold their breath, but if they are on the surface it won't use stamina, unless they are sprint-swimming.

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Do you even need icons? You can make a solid bar, or you can make icons, it's subjective. Of the above and to where this stamina will be used more suitable battery - vigor charge. Also wanted to offer a similar icon, it can be perceived by everyone in its own way. https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000228117574-0qthy0-t500x500.jpg

Yeah, I think it makes the most sense to use the lightning bolt for stamina and a flame for dramatic boost. Also, because I have those icons available

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Since we're talking about icons in the interface, I'd like to suggest that instead of using the existing ammo icon for each type of ammo (shotguns, assault rifles, sniper rifles) a different ammo icon should be used, as was done in Hotline Miami.

Yes, I will probably do this.

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So here's the idea. Let's say there are 30 rounds in the magazine, before you pick up the gun, Bean has fired 9 rounds from it. You pick up the weapon, and the game does not show how many rounds are left in the magazine, because neither you nor KB did not count how many shots were fired. Either the ammo interface element isn't there at all, or there's a question mark there. If you want to know how many rounds are left, you just have to press the reload button, the KB will pull out the magazine and see how many rounds are left and the number of rounds on the screen. Almost all of this can be alleviated and removed by upgrading the corresponding branch in the upgrade tree. Or while the KB is holding someone else's weapon, you can not display the number of rounds on the screen, and only show how many rounds are left, as was done in Unrecord.

Yeah, I really like this idea. But here's the question, if you pick up an enemy's gun, could you pick up more ammo for it? Since there is a lot of ammo lying around for KB's guns, would they also reload the enemy rifles? Or would KB discard the rifle once it is used up? I think there are pros and cons to both methods. For example, if you find a gun you really like, you might want to keep it for a little longer. This happens a lot in Borderlands, like looter-shooters.

[Cos2]

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There will be some inventory, and I plan to have a quick-access button that you can fill with inventory, like number keys 1-4 or the D-pad on the game controller. Inventory will include things like landmines, remote detonated C4, drones, decoys, hacking tools, lock picks, boost medicine, large health kits. Things like that. A lot of the inventory will be like MGSV and Streets of Rogue. It won't be like Skyrim or Diablo. Oh yeah, I do want to leave open the opportunity to do crafting and collecting too.

Sounds cool. What do you mean by crafting? Putting trimmings on a weapon? Also, is crafting like finding collectibles in the world?

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I would probably only use stamina if the player swims under water to hold their breath, but if they are on the surface it won't use stamina, unless they are sprint-swimming.

Yeah, that's what I meant, it's great.

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Yeah, I really like this idea. But here's the question, if you pick up an enemy's gun, could you pick up more ammo for it? Since there is a lot of ammo lying around for KB's guns, would they also reload the enemy rifles? Or would KB discard the rifle once it is used up? I think there are pros and cons to both methods. For example, if you find a gun you really like, you might want to keep it for a little longer. This happens a lot in Borderlands, like looter-shooters.

First, let me say what made me decide to suggest this in the first place. Has KB ever preferred to kill with any weapon other than his gold pistols (Other than the very "what's it like to be killed with your own gun?" and the one after the movie "Killer Bean Forever")? That's why I propose only using his pistols for the majority of the game for KB, honing his skill with them. And give the option to play with any gun and customize to a custom class, like Bad Bean or Shadow Bean. For each game style there is a character: efficiency and parkour - KB, melee - JB, RTS - Cromwell, stealth - I don't know what you have decided so far.

If you're wondering how I envision it, no, KB will not be able to pick up ammo for weapons he picked up from the floor. Unless you could make a skill in the tree that would allow him to pick up one magazine from the Bean from which the weapon was picked up. How to replenish the ammunition of the gun in this case? You could just make its ammo infinite, there's already a lot to keep track of in the game. If it may seem illogical, then, as far as I am concerned, it is not much more logical than the fact that any ammo picked up from enemies is suitable for the gun. Or you can make that before starting a mission you can go to the Ammu-Nation and buy ammunition there, with the size of half of the NATO force, as it was in GTA X). There you could also buy body armor and modify / craft a gun and change the type of ammunition.

[Killer Bean - Developer]

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Sounds cool. What do you mean by crafting? Putting trimmings on a weapon? Also, is crafting like finding collectibles in the world?

Yeah, like collecting different items in the world and them combining them to make something new. Like in MGSV, you can collect different plants to craft different medicine boosts. And Far Cry you can collect animal skins to craft better gear like bigger backpacks and bigger wallets.

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First, let me say what made me decide to suggest this in the first place. Has KB ever preferred to kill with any weapon other than his gold pistols (Other than the very "what's it like to be killed with your own gun?" and the one after the movie "Killer Bean Forever")? That's why I propose only using his pistols for the majority of the game for KB, honing his skill with them. And give the option to play with any gun and customize to a custom class, like Bad Bean or Shadow Bean. For each game style there is a character: efficiency and parkour - KB, melee - JB, RTS - Cromwell, stealth - I don't know what you have decided so far.

If you're wondering how I envision it, no, KB will not be able to pick up ammo for weapons he picked up from the floor. Unless you could make a skill in the tree that would allow him to pick up one magazine from the Bean from which the weapon was picked up. How to replenish the ammunition of the gun in this case? You could just make its ammo infinite, there's already a lot to keep track of in the game. If it may seem illogical, then, as far as I am concerned, it is not much more logical than the fact that any ammo picked up from enemies is suitable for the gun. Or you can make that before starting a mission you can go to the Ammu-Nation and buy ammunition there, with the size of half of the NATO force, as it was in GTA X). There you could also buy body armor and modify / craft a gun and change the type of ammunition.

Yeah, I'll need to really figure this out. Maybe I should focus more on the upgrade path for KB's gold guns, so that becomes the main weapon, but can be loaded with different skills from the skill tree. Any picked up weapons will be secondary and temporary, and only able to reload if there is a skill tree unlock, like you said.

So now I wonder, should KB's gold guns have infinite ammo, but still have to reload ammo clips? Sort of like in Devil May Cry. That way, KB's guns never run out, and then I can figure out all sorts of ammo upgrades for his guns. And then secondary guns can be repaired or leveled up at gunsmiths if the player like a gun they found and want to keep it for longer. This is something that I think will evolve during early access also with player feedback.

[Groovin’ g00n]

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Sounds cool. What do you mean by crafting? Putting trimmings on a weapon? Also, is crafting like finding collectibles in the world?

Yeah, like collecting different items in the world and them combining them to make something new. Like in MGSV, you can collect different plants to craft different medicine boosts. And Far Cry you can collect animal skins to craft better gear like bigger backpacks and bigger wallets.

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First, let me say what made me decide to suggest this in the first place. Has KB ever preferred to kill with any weapon other than his gold pistols (Other than the very "what's it like to be killed with your own gun?" and the one after the movie "Killer Bean Forever")? That's why I propose only using his pistols for the majority of the game for KB, honing his skill with them. And give the option to play with any gun and customize to a custom class, like Bad Bean or Shadow Bean. For each game style there is a character: efficiency and parkour - KB, melee - JB, RTS - Cromwell, stealth - I don't know what you have decided so far.

If you're wondering how I envision it, no, KB will not be able to pick up ammo for weapons he picked up from the floor. Unless you could make a skill in the tree that would allow him to pick up one magazine from the Bean from which the weapon was picked up. How to replenish the ammunition of the gun in this case? You could just make its ammo infinite, there's already a lot to keep track of in the game. If it may seem illogical, then, as far as I am concerned, it is not much more logical than the fact that any ammo picked up from enemies is suitable for the gun. Or you can make that before starting a mission you can go to the Ammu-Nation and buy ammunition there, with the size of half of the NATO force, as it was in GTA X). There you could also buy body armor and modify / craft a gun and change the type of ammunition.

Yeah, I'll need to really figure this out. Maybe I should focus more on the upgrade path for KB's gold guns, so that becomes the main weapon, but can be loaded with different skills from the skill tree. Any picked up weapons will be secondary and temporary, and only able to reload if there is a skill tree unlock, like you said.

So now I wonder, should KB's gold guns have infinite ammo, but still have to reload ammo clips? Sort of like in Devil May Cry. That way, KB's guns never run out, and then I can figure out all sorts of ammo upgrades for his guns. And then secondary guns can be repaired or leveled up at gunsmiths if the player like a gun they found and want to keep it for longer. This is something that I think will evolve during early access also with player feedback.

I think infinite ammo is good (at least for an upgrade). Should definitely have stuff to keep the pistols primary. I always used the pistols in the playtest just because that's Killer Bean's main weapon and using anything else for too long doesn't feel right

[Cos2]

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Yeah, like collecting different items in the world and them combining them to make something new. Like in MGSV, you can collect different plants to craft different medicine boosts. And Far Cry you can collect animal skins to craft better gear like bigger backpacks and bigger wallets.

Sounds fun, but what can KB put together that he could scraft and use? He's not going to pick flowers and make medicinal tea out of them, is he?

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So now I wonder, should KB's gold guns have infinite ammo, but still have to reload ammo clips? Sort of like in Devil May Cry. That way, KB's guns never run out, and then I can figure out all sorts of ammo upgrades for his guns. And then secondary guns can be repaired or leveled up at gunsmiths if the player like a gun they found and want to keep it for longer. This is something that I think will evolve during early access also with player feedback.

Hmm, I don't even know, we'll have to see how it will affect the balance of the game because it's a big decision. For now I'm in favor of reloading (and the infinite amount of clip he carries in his ass).

[Groovin’ g00n]

Definitely gonna agree with infinite ammo, limited clip size. If you never have to reload there's next to zero reason to use any other gun

[Killer Bean - Developer]

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I think infinite ammo is good (at least for an upgrade). Should definitely have stuff to keep the pistols primary. I always used the pistols in the playtest just because that's Killer Bean's main weapon and using anything else for too long doesn't feel right

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Hmm, I don't even know, we'll have to see how it will affect the balance of the game because it's a big decision. For now I'm in favor of reloading (and the infinite amount of clip he carries in his ass).

Yeah, I think as I continue with development, I'll make his gold guns more and more upgradable. And I might even reduce the amount of weapons dropped by enemies. I think infinite ammo for his gold guns could be the way to go. But now that I think about it, it would negate the use for melee combat and finishers. Hmmmmm...... I think I need to pick a gameplay style and stay with it. So far, the game is designed mostly like Doom Eternal, but open world.

I think if I limit the use of picked up rifles and also limit the amount of weapon drops. Secondary rifles should definitely be temporary.

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Sounds fun, but what can KB put together that he could scraft and use? He's not going to pick flowers and make medicinal tea out of them, is he?

Actually, I haven't even thought of what KB can craft. I just left open the idea that he could sometime in the future, since it is an open world game with lots of locations to explore. Initially, I would just have collectibles, like for example eggs, since it was mentioned in Cappuccino's business chart. Eggs could be used to trade for rare items with vendors.

Hahaha, I think my brain is fried! Too much to think about

[Groovin’ g00n]

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I think infinite ammo is good (at least for an upgrade). Should definitely have stuff to keep the pistols primary. I always used the pistols in the playtest just because that's Killer Bean's main weapon and using anything else for too long doesn't feel right

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Hmm, I don't even know, we'll have to see how it will affect the balance of the game because it's a big decision. For now I'm in favor of reloading (and the infinite amount of clip he carries in his ass).

Yeah, I think as I continue with development, I'll make his gold guns more and more upgradable. And I might even reduce the amount of weapons dropped by enemies. I think infinite ammo for his gold guns could be the way to go. But now that I think about it, it would negate the use for melee combat and finishers. Hmmmmm...... I think I need to pick a gameplay style and stay with it. So far, the game is designed mostly like Doom Eternal, but open world.

I think if I limit the use of picked up rifles and also limit the amount of weapon drops. Secondary rifles should definitely be temporary.

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Sounds fun, but what can KB put together that he could scraft and use? He's not going to pick flowers and make medicinal tea out of them, is he?

Actually, I haven't even thought of what KB can craft. I just left open the idea that he could sometime in the future, since it is an open world game with lots of locations to explore. Initially, I would just have collectibles, like for example eggs, since it was mentioned in Cappuccino's business chart. Eggs could be used to trade for rare items with vendors.

Hahaha, I think my brain is fried! Too much to think about

Didn't think about melee combat... at the same time I always wondered why enemies carried Killer Bean's bullets. I myself would use melee combat just to look cool maybe if you just use the guns all the time your dramatic meter starts going down so you have to keep things varied? (that is, if you want to use cool moves )

Also I think someone mentioned this but you should be able to throw weapons. Bladed ones would probably kill and blunt ones/guns would stun maybe. I think that would be neat.

I think he'd craft things like special ammo using parts dropped by machines, maybe a makeshift silencer with a can, Fake grenades (don't explode but beans run from 'em... perhaps into a real grenade!), maybe suit upgrades (like a bulletproof vest under his suit... maybe? KB doesn't strike me as the type to wear armor, he's always had a more agility-based style. Plus, who needs armor if you don't get hit? ), throwables... and depending on how mechanically inclined he is, car upgrades and other deployables.

[Killer Bean - Developer]

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Didn't think about melee combat... at the same time I always wondered why enemies carried Killer Bean's bullets. I myself would use melee combat just to look cool maybe if you just use the guns all the time your dramatic meter starts going down so you have to keep things varied? (that is, if you want to use cool moves )

Also I think someone mentioned this but you should be able to throw weapons. Bladed ones would probably kill and blunt ones/guns would stun maybe. I think that would be neat.

I think he'd craft things like special ammo using parts dropped by machines, maybe a makeshift silencer with a can, Fake grenades (don't explode but beans run from 'em... perhaps into a real grenade!), maybe suit upgrades (like a bulletproof vest under his suit... maybe? KB doesn't strike me as the type to wear armor, he's always had a more agility-based style. Plus, who needs armor if you don't get hit? ), throwables... and depending on how mechanically inclined he is, car upgrades and other deployables.

Yeah, that's a good point about the dramatic meter. So maybe if I have infinite ammo for KB's guns, but killing enemies with his guns will give very low loot drops. And melee attacks will give much higher loot drops. So maybe loot drops will be related to the difficulty of the kill. That can still fit with the Doom Eternal style. Also, that would work for weapon drops too, because I think I need to reduce the amount of weapons dropped anyway.

I'll probably add throwable weapons at some point. I'm thinking about switching over to a new ragdoll system that will let players impale enemies with spears and the ragdolls will get stuck to a wall.

True, I could have KB craft weaponry or gadgets. I'll probably leave the crafting idea for later in early access.