Coal Mania

[TargetLost]

I am in the year 350 and shy of the atomic reactor research which I think will not use at all because I believe it produces wast that you have to deposite somewhere.

What I observed is that I need a ton of coal in my game. I have 2 blue belts running in parallel from my Cargo ship throughout my whole settlement and they both belts are at their transport capacity limit.

The coal mine is at lvl 14 and I upgrade it to lvl 16 next.

So do I do something wrong or is this game that coal heavy?
It seems I need a lot of boilers and smelter things that all need coal.

Would say 50% is going to energy production (max 70 MW normal 35 MW) mainly so many things need steam and onc eI have steam I route them to steam turbines of course.

There seems no other way? Couldn't I heat with Fue instead coal? I know about the electric but that eats more electric than you can generate of course.
And the solar panel requires a very large area to even get close.

One more thing.. it so happen that there is no iron and I beleive also no copper outside my island. Still I have to research the last ship engine upgrade tech thought.

Is that just bad lack and this outside mines are random..or is it by design that I stragle with my iron and copper mines getting empty before I ever get the ship teahc to go further outside.

And I even started with 200% resources if I don't err becaus eI didn't want to run into ore shortages.

Byway I just wanted to dig and melt some gold bars.... Didn't know that will take 350 years to get there.. urgh..

Is there are target in this game anyway? I mean I have my shiny gold bars now stacked everywhere now.

Still try to finish landfill a dam for a direct path to the gold mine though. (I play that half circle island scenario)

[Legion = surrender]

early game, you need more coal, thats right, but if game progress, you need less and less coal. Coal can be produced with a wood farm, a large wood farm.

In endgame, you can convert CO2 into graphite for your furnaces, at this point, you almost eliminate your coal demand.

[Kaery]

Coal for boilers shouldn't be made from wood. If you are going wood -> boiler, don't go coal, go woodchips. You only need two shredders to feed a single boiler at full capacity, as opposed to four coal makers. Also, shredders require eight wood per boiler-cycle, the coalmaker needs twelve. And the coalmaker produces extra exhaust, the shredder doesn't.

But yes, once you get to the arc furnaces, you need graphite, not coal. There is a recipe to make graphite from coal, but using the CO2 recipe is better since it also converts a pollution source into fuel.

OP, the early reactors do produce waste, but you can reuse it later in the other reactor types. Or rather, recycle it. Look through the recipes, it should all be there.

You can also heat with oil-byproducts, fuel gas, light oil, etc. Plus woodchips, as I mentioned. But like solar, you need space for that wood farm.

Iron and copper mines aren't on the world map, no. However, look at the settlements. They offer contracts you can do continously to get iron and copper. I don't mean the quick trades, there are actual trade contracts that your cargo ships can be used for. If you have too few cargo ships, there is a settlement that sells them for T3 construction materials.

Gold 'is' pretty lategame. Since you mention stacking it up, why not use it? It's an ingredient for lategame electronics.

As for a goal, usually people see launching the rocket as the goal, at the moment.

[TargetLost]

Originally posted by Kaery:

Iron and copper mines aren't on the world map, no.

I am doomed!!

My cooper mine just run empty and my Iron is about to do the same in a moment.
Now I pushed the research to get the last ship enhancment because I hoped it's further out there.

Originally posted by Kaery:

However, look at the settlements. They offer contracts you can do continously to get iron and copper.

Guess I have no other choose. That is a boomer.

Originally posted by Kaery:

Gold 'is' pretty lategame. Since you mention stacking it up, why not use it? It's an ingredient for lategame electronics.

Well yes I wil have to develope that crazzy microchip industrie. I mean I like the game I really do but somehow it is toooooo much. I develop production chains and loops over and over since hours !!!

Originally posted by Kaery:

As for a goal, usually people see launching the rocket as the goal, at the moment.

Well it is certainly enough game if you get there.

Geat game.

Honestly I hestitate dto buy it because of the Captain and ship thing. I didn't take that game serious because that not fitting element made it look like a cheap building simulator.
But it is a full fledged industrie build sim game. Very well done.

Thanks for your answer.

p.s. I see the coal is the least of my problems now. :)

[Coheed]

Originally posted by TargetLost:

Originally posted by Kaery:

Iron and copper mines aren't on the world map, no.

I am doomed!!

My cooper mine just run empty and my Iron is about to do the same in a moment.
Now I pushed the research to get the last ship enhancment because I hoped it's further out there.

Originally posted by Kaery:

However, look at the settlements. They offer contracts you can do continously to get iron and copper.

Guess I have no other choose. That is a boomer.

Originally posted by Kaery:

Gold 'is' pretty lategame. Since you mention stacking it up, why not use it? It's an ingredient for lategame electronics.

Well yes I wil have to develope that crazzy microchip industrie. I mean I like the game I really do but somehow it is toooooo much. I develop production chains and loops over and over since hours !!!

Originally posted by Kaery:

As for a goal, usually people see launching the rocket as the goal, at the moment.

Well it is certainly enough game if you get there.

Geat game.

Honestly I hestitate dto buy it because of the Captain and ship thing. I didn't take that game serious because that not fitting element made it look like a cheap building simulator.
But it is a full fledged industrie build sim game. Very well done.

Thanks for your answer.

p.s. I see the coal is the least of my problems now. :)

There should be a second larger iron and copper deposit on each map that's further from your original start position.
I'd be very shocked to find you have exhausted these deposits as well within 350 years.

[TargetLost]

Originally posted by Coheed:

There should be a second larger iron and copper deposit on each map that's further from your original start position.
I'd be very shocked to find you have exhausted these deposits as well within 350 years.

Yes you are right. I didn't want to mine so far up there. But after evaluating the alternative I started there now.

By way I just realize that this is Early Access!

That blows me away. It looks like a full fledged game to me. Some hick ups with belt wireings but no bugs at all! And hours and hours of solid gameplay already. And it even at a good price!

Wow BIG THANK YOU devs!!! A real shiny gem in the degenerated scam like EA world of this days.

[Munk]

I'm ~800 years into my game and am not even close to exhausting my deposits, id recommend going heavy on recycling as it saves allot of resources and mining time. Nuclear pre update did make waste that would eventually fill your island ( after a really long time! ) but post update when you get to the final stages of nuclear power it produces insane amounts of power with waste that lasts only 100yrs. My coal consumption is extremely minimal on my game now.

[Tregon]

Originally posted by TargetLost:

I am in the year 350 and shy of the atomic reactor research which I think will not use at all because I believe it produces wast that you have to deposite somewhere.

What I observed is that I need a ton of coal in my game. I have 2 blue belts running in parallel from my Cargo ship throughout my whole settlement and they both belts are at their transport capacity limit.

The coal mine is at lvl 14 and I upgrade it to lvl 16 next.

So do I do something wrong or is this game that coal heavy?
It seems I need a lot of boilers and smelter things that all need coal.

Would say 50% is going to energy production (max 70 MW normal 35 MW) mainly so many things need steam and onc eI have steam I route them to steam turbines of course.

There seems no other way? Couldn't I heat with Fue instead coal? I know about the electric but that eats more electric than you can generate of course.
And the solar panel requires a very large area to even get close.

One more thing.. it so happen that there is no iron and I beleive also no copper outside my island. Still I have to research the last ship engine upgrade tech thought.

Is that just bad lack and this outside mines are random..or is it by design that I stragle with my iron and copper mines getting empty before I ever get the ship teahc to go further outside.

And I even started with 200% resources if I don't err becaus eI didn't want to run into ore shortages.

Byway I just wanted to dig and melt some gold bars.... Didn't know that will take 350 years to get there.. urgh..

Is there are target in this game anyway? I mean I have my shiny gold bars now stacked everywhere now.

Still try to finish landfill a dam for a direct path to the gold mine though. (I play that half circle island scenario)

You should shift away from coal ASAP. Oil, dpexiaton Courland, is way to go until you go nuclear.

Has boilers can consume oil byproducts.

My system is usually built so that every byproduct is broken down into fuel gas on cracking plant.

Fuel gas runs boilers which run generators. With some backup coal. By the way, biomass burns in coal boilers as well as excess animal feed.

And to ensure my system runs I have balancer before diesel storage. Excess diesel is converted to.... Fuel gas.

I use fuel gas because that way there is no worry of mixing materials in pipes, I can use single pipe network. Also digesters produce fuel gas which goes to same network.

And finally, fuel gas can be converted to hydrogen.