Why does 30fps feel better on console than it does on PC?

[kweelo]

For example, if you played a game that is optimized for 30fps on console, it will feel smooth with no obvious input delay or stutteriness. However if you played that same game on PC with a 30fps framerate lock, it will feel horribly jagged, stuttery, screen tearing, etc.

Why is that? I noticed this when I played Days Gone on PS4 Pro, it looked great in 4K 30fps on my tv. When I got the game on my old weak PC and locked it to 30fps, it never dropped below 30fps but it felt like it was 15-20fps just in terms of choppiness in gameplay and jitter.

[LordOfTheBread]

Publicado originalmente por Irae:

use RTSS to lock to 30fps and enjoy a console-like experience. do not use the in-game fps cap

Why anyone would want to do that? 30FPS is not "an experience" or enjoyable, its just 30 fps and feels slow AF in videogames period. Play at 30FPS only if your rig can't do better but I'll personally reduce settings / resolution to squeeze a stable 60 fps anyday.

[hip]

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

Publicado originalmente por Irae:

use RTSS to lock to 30fps and enjoy a console-like experience. do not use the in-game fps cap

Why anyone would want to do that?

because there are poor people in the world too, rich boy.

[LordOfTheBread]

Publicado originalmente por Hipocondria:

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

Why anyone would want to do that?

because there are poor people in the world too, rich boy.

Don't know what you are on about, if you CAN'T run at more than 30FPS it does not mean you WANT to.

And I have a GTX 1070, feel free to try and tell me I'm rich again so I can have another laugh.

[Crusta]

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

And I have a GTX 1070, feel free to try and tell me I'm rich again so I can have another laugh.

Data shows that there are quite a number of people still playing on 550's and 750s on Steam, so yeah consider your GTX 1070 a luxury in these crypto-mining days we live in. Its quite a beast.

[oChalko]

its more noticeable on keyboard than on controller. Ive tried all different methods when having a lower end pc and the best 30 fps experience is with a controller

[LordOfTheBread]

Publicado originalmente por Qru$t@hciu:

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

And I have a GTX 1070, feel free to try and tell me I'm rich again so I can have another laugh.

Data shows that there are quite a number of people still playing on 550's and 750s on Steam, so yeah consider your GTX 1070 a luxury in these crypto-mining days we live in. Its quite a beast.

A 750 will not play GoW so wtf are you arguing about here? Stop being so dense really, people don't want to play at 30 fps on PC unless they have to because they have entry lvl GPUs like 1050ti or equivalent.

the thread is about how 30 fps feels, not what hardware is needed to achieve higher fps. And 30 fps feels trash on every platform compared to 60 fps, end of story.

Also not feeling sorry because I invested 300$ in a mid-range gpu ages ago, I clearly don't consider myself being rich for having a 1070...

[Draken/Eitan]

The vague general answer is that Consoles are designed to make specific use of the display ports on TVs, which will include HDMI that runs to a TV standard specification. There is some processing of frame-times I assume, but those TV ports are often more limited in capacity than on a PC or PC monitor.

PC Monitors have a broader set of specifications, and in some ways have more accurate presentation of exactly what is being displayed on them. But the other aspect is that it is much easier to see the flaws.

Newer TVs may have "PC Grade" ports so on those, there may not be much difference between standard TV and PC monitors.

By no means a full explanation, I'm no expert on it, but I do tend to optimise for my own devices.

[Crusta]

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

Publicado originalmente por Qru$t@hciu:

Data shows that there are quite a number of people still playing on 550's and 750s on Steam, so yeah consider your GTX 1070 a luxury in these crypto-mining days we live in. Its quite a beast.

A 750 will not play GoW so wtf are you arguing about here? Stop being so dense really,

Dense? Get a load of yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPrAXL0kJ58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgKhgYQLFo

Thats the 750 (below the minimum requirements for Days Gone and Horizon) "playing" those triple A PS4 games just fine, so your claim is actually just an ignorant assumption at best. And before you say "huh duh just because its running on medium settings doesn't mean that its running good" -> you never specified anything. Just straight assumed out of your ass that the 750 won't "play" GoW4 some reason. You simply can not know that.

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

Don't know what you are on about, if you CAN'T run at more than 30FPS it does not mean you WANT to.

The post you replied to was a recommendation on how to eficiently lock any game to 30 fps. You asked "why would anyone want that?" The answer clearly is because that person don't think his hardware will hit 60 fps . So yeah in this context "CAN'T run at more than 30 fps" and "WANT to run at 30 fps" are the sameand both are true to the user.

A 30 fps cap with a flatline frametime at 33.3ms is miles better than an inconsistent framerate constantly bouncing between 35 and 45 causing microstuttering, thats why people want to lock their game at 30 fps you genius

And i don't care when you got that 1070. That ♥♥♥♥ is expensive NOW and not everyone can afford it. There are poor people in the world so yeah you sound like a spoiled rich boy if you expect everyone to have the same GPU that you do. Shove it for all i care and you know what? I don't wanna talk to you anymore so get blocked and now your posts are off my sight.

[TofGaming]

Lock your fps to 30 using rivia tuner or from nvidia control pannel turn on motion blur hook in your controller and you will get mostly console like 30 fps experience.

[Khorneflakes]

Here is a good example why same FPS can feel so different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmTyyxYwl6w
Look closely to Forza Horizon 5 performance.

[LordOfTheBread]

Publicado originalmente por Qru$t@hciu:

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

A 750 will not play GoW so wtf are you arguing about here? Stop being so dense really,

Dense? Get a load of yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPrAXL0kJ58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgKhgYQLFo

Thats the 750 (below the minimum requirements for Days Gone and Horizon) "playing" those triple A PS4 games just fine, so your claim is actually just an ignorant assumption at best. And before you say "huh duh just because its running on medium settings doesn't mean that its running good" -> you never specified anything. Just straight assumed out of your ass that the 750 won't "play" GoW4 some reason. You simply can not know that.

Publicado originalmente por LordOfTheBread:

Don't know what you are on about, if you CAN'T run at more than 30FPS it does not mean you WANT to.

The post you replied to was a recommendation on how to eficiently lock any game to 30 fps. You asked "why would anyone want that?" The answer clearly is because that person don't think his hardware will hit 60 fps . So yeah in this context "CAN'T run at more than 30 fps" and "WANT to run at 30 fps" are the sameand both are true to the user.

A 30 fps cap with a flatline frametime at 33.3ms is miles better than an inconsistent framerate constantly bouncing between 35 and 45 causing microstuttering, thats why people want to lock their game at 30 fps you genius

And i don't care when you got that 1070. That ♥♥♥♥ is expensive NOW and not everyone can afford it. There are poor people in the world so yeah you sound like a spoiled rich boy if you expect everyone to have the same GPU that you do. Shove it for all i care and you know what? I don't wanna talk to you anymore so get blocked and now your posts are off my sight.

So old GPUs like the 750ti play these games on low settings at barely 30fps (dang these frame drops hurt), you'd get a better experience playing on PS4 tbh.

Then again, it does not invalidate what I said: you play at locked 30fps because you have to not because you want to. People with 750ti cards should stop buying 50$ games for a while to get enough money to buy a 1060 - 1660 ti or something tbh, I know it is a terrible time to buy GPUs right now but a 750 is almost 8 years old and 5 generations behind.

Feel free to keep being dense, the only thing I am saying is 30fps does not feel better than 60, no matter the platform, ignoring you and moving on.

[sanchies]

Only one answer : Framepacing.

The framepacing is optimized on Consoles, but not on PC.

But you can have it optimized if you have FreeSync Premium monitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJpoUlcwhaE&list=PLRu-yTQgmnUQmmbqdyHbqx-r4KL09dU7L&index=7

I have tested myself

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRu-yTQgmnUQmmbqdyHbqx-r4KL09dU7L

[hip]

^ Geez... no need to go buy an expensive free sync monitor

Everyone should listen to what have already been said in this thread: RivaTuner Scanline Sync. Thats all you need. And it is free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qjlyvssikU

1- Disable all kind of V-sync on your PC both in the game options and the gpu options.
2- Activate Scanline Sync x/2 on RivaTunner
3- Move the tearline out of the way with either -30 value method or "SyncHotKets=1" command.

4- Enjoy console-like, delay-free, flatline consistent 30 fps on PC. Or just 60 fps without any kind of V-sync, input delay or screen tearing.

The beauty and genius of the PC master race. To actually be able to control and move the tearline out of the screen's way. Now whoever created the Scanline Sync function deserves a nobel prize, i'm not joking.

[sanchies]

Publicado originalmente por Hipocondria:

^ Geez... no need to go buy an expensive free sync monitor

Everyone should listen to what have already been said in this thread: RivaTuner Scanline Sync. Thats all you need. And it is free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qjlyvssikU

1- Disable all kind of V-sync on your PC both in the game options and the gpu options.
2- Activate Scanline Sync x/2 on RivaTunner
3- Move the tearline out of the way with either -30 value method or "SyncHotKets=1" command.

4- Enjoy console-like, delay-free, flatline consistent 30 fps on PC. Or just 60 fps without any kind of V-sync, input delay or screen tearing.

The beauty and genius of the PC master race. To actually be able to control and move the tearline out of the screen's way. Now whoever created the Scanline Sync function deserves a nobel prize, i'm not joking.

You are wrong.

1. Because FreeSync Premium monitors are cheap. (ex: ASUS VP249QGR)

2. It gives a lower Input Lag than V-Sync OFF and even Console heavily optimized games, due to "Quick Frame Transport" (HFR + VRR)

3. You don't need to fine tune game per game like the Scanline Sync method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhuuIefOpQg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNueA46jpEk

"It's free" lol, nothing is free in life. Just look at game prices or gpu inflated prices due to miners.

Stop with the cope and buy a decent monitor. VRR makes games look smoother and with lower Input Lag than their are on Consoles or with Scanline Sync method.

[Poor Bastard]

Publicado originalmente por silkyslugs:

For example, if you played a game that is optimized for 30fps on console, it will feel smooth with no obvious input delay or stutteriness. However if you played that same game on PC with a 30fps framerate lock, it will feel horribly jagged, stuttery, screen tearing, etc.

Because you aren't using vsync?

But GTA V on an original PS4 is basically unplayable. It's frame rate makes you feel like you are having a fever dream.