I've been fighting Kara for 4 hours

[Paddy O'Furniture]

I've come to the point where I want to blow my brains out. I keep dying to her (playing on GMGOW).
The thing is... I've beaten her before on this same difficulty with similar stats not too long ago and I don't remember it being this difficult. I don't get it. Did the recent patch make her trash mobs even more cancerous?
Sigrun is at least ten times easier to beat. At least you can memorise her attack patterns, this is just... torture.

[mortuus]

use a god mode trainer then ?

[Jahellson]

She usually does the first summon near the edge, try to knock as many minions off the edge, with a maximum of 2 runic attacks, (with area damage / knock back) and save the Atreus summon for another occasion.

In the other invocations that are usually in the middle of the arena, if you already have the blades, use the other 2 runic attacks, to try to eliminate as many minions as possible. If you leave 2 or 1 minion alive, it may take a little longer to another summon (may be just my impression). And here when necessary use the summon of Atreus.

You might want to kill her as soon as possible, but you can come back at the end of the game, being level 8 or even 9 (if it's your first playthrough) and you probably won't have any difficulties.

[Paddy O'Furniture]

Originally posted by Jahellson:

She usually does the first summon near the edge, try to knock as many minions off the edge, with a maximum of 2 runic attacks, (with area damage / knock back) and save the Atreus summon for another occasion.

In the other invocations that are usually in the middle of the arena, if you already have the blades, use the other 2 runic attacks, to try to eliminate as many minions as possible. If you leave 2 or 1 minion alive, it may take a little longer to another summon (may be just my impression). And here when necessary use the summon of Atreus.

You might want to kill her as soon as possible, but you can come back at the end of the game, being level 8 or even 9 (if it's your first playthrough) and you probably won't have any difficulties.

Yeah, im level 5 and I think I'm just gonna give up and come back later. Like i said, I've beaten her before with similar stats, not sure what changed.
Atreus is less than worthless, his arrows do nothing to stave off glowy eyed enemies, they are only interested in fighting me, turning the whole fight into a giant clusterf***. I really, really despise this fight. It combines everything that I hate in video games; trash mobs, damage sponges and useless friendly AI. I would much rather fight Sigrun with base stats than this.

[Brussels_Sprouts_Are_Not_Food]

Originally posted by Paddy O'Furniture:

I've come to the point where I want to blow my brains out. I keep dying to her (playing on GMGOW).
The thing is... I've beaten her before on this same difficulty with similar stats not too long ago and I don't remember it being this difficult. I don't get it. Did the recent patch make her trash mobs even more cancerous?
Sigrun is at least ten times easier to beat. At least you can memorise her attack patterns, this is just... torture.

I beat Kara on my first go. Just saying.

[steven]

Bruh, she is the 2nd easiest of the 9 Valkyries ... I understand Valkyries are hard, but if you struggle with her, i don't wanna see how many time you will try with the others.

Learn patterns, dodge, use shield, level up ?, continue the story and come back later, get better stuffs, upgrades your runics attacks, VISIT THE MAP TO UPGRADE YOUR LIFE AND RAGE BAR !!!!!! ... there is plenty of things to do instead of wasting 4 hrs on something you know is almost impossible in your current state (lack of skill, bad mindset and stuff blablabla....).

And patch changed nothing, this is cognitive bias or false memories of difficultie level. Maybe you were not level 5 when you previously beat her, didn't have the same stuff, same runics, same mindset when you played, same experience of the game, she didn't do the same pattern as your current game... blablablabla

You just need to try 10 min the boss to estimate your chances to win and then ask yourself if it's better to continue or leave. Your judgement seems ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up here. You loose more than 5-10 times in a row without reaching a specific life bar (50% HP ? 30 % ?) ? Leave, next.

Use runics attacks of all your weapons at the begining of the match to do a lot of damages quickly, use arows to deal little bits of damage (yes, little bit but it's ok), push enemies of the edge (the shield / your fists and feets / charged attacks / runics can push them out of the map), use your rage (Very important !), dodge, dodge again, use your shield, dodge blablabla... use runics again when they are available, rince and repeat.

Equip everything that gives you reduce cooldown on runics attacks, add frost damage or burning damage, upgrade to max your runics, come with rage bar filled to max and rez stone.... hophophop goodbye Kara

[acowsik]

Originally posted by steven:

Bruh, she is the 2nd easiest of the 9 Valkyries ... I understand Valkyries are hard, but if you struggle with her, i don't wanna see how many time you will try with the others.

Learn patterns, dodge, use shield, level up ?, continue the story and come back later, get better stuffs, upgrades your runics attacks, VISIT THE MAP TO UPGRADE YOUR LIFE AND RAGE BAR !!!!!! ... there is plenty of things to do instead of wasting 4 hrs on something you know is almost impossible in your current state (lack of skill, bad mindset and stuff blablabla....).

And patch changed nothing, this is cognitive bias or false memories of difficultie level. Maybe you were not level 5 when you previously beat her, didn't have the same stuff, same runics, same mindset when you played, same experience of the game, she didn't do the same pattern as your current game... blablablabla

You just need to try 10 min the boss to estimate your chances to win and then ask yourself if it's better to continue or leave. Your judgement seems ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up here. You loose more than 5-10 times in a row without reaching a specific life bar (50% HP ? 30 % ?) ? Leave, next.

Use runics attacks of all your weapons at the begining of the match to do a lot of damages quickly, use arows to deal little bits of damage (yes, little bit but it's ok), push enemies of the edge (the shield / your fists and feets / charged attacks / runics can push them out of the map), use your rage (Very important !), dodge, dodge again, use your shield, dodge blablabla... use runics again when they are available, rince and repeat.

Equip everything that gives you reduce cooldown on runics attacks, add frost damage or burning damage, upgrade to max your runics, come with rage bar filled to max and rez stone.... hophophop goodbye Kara

I beg to differ... it completely depends on when you fight her...

If you fight her at the earliest possible (when you are at the witch cave as soon as you heal Atreus) then she is a lot harder cos you are only around lvl 5 or 6 so and don't have a lot of runic options and much cooldown either. Thats when I fought her on GMGOW difficulty. She was the second Valkyrie I fought after Gunnr.

Moreover as per you she is the second easiest Valkyrie which leads me to intepret that you are saying Eir is harder than her... something is definitely wrong (considering Gunnr is the easiest).

If you fight the Valkyries at the earliest possible chance, here is the likely order you do them...

Gunnr
Kara
Olrun (totally depends on when you decide to visit Alfheim)
Geirdriful
Eir
Rota (totally depends on when you decide to visit Helheim after escaping from there)
Hildr (depends on when you decide to grind Niflheim)
Gondul (depends on when you decide to grind Muspelheim)
Sigrun

Based on difficulty, here is how I rank them excluding Sigrun who is ofc the hardest.

Geirdriful
Kara
Rota
Gondul
Olrun
Hildr
Eir
Gunnr

[Paddy O'Furniture]

Originally posted by steven:

Bruh, she is the 2nd easiest of the 9 Valkyries ... I understand Valkyries are hard, but if you struggle with her, i don't wanna see how many time you will try with the others.

Learn patterns, dodge, use shield, level up ?, continue the story and come back later, get better stuffs, upgrades your runics attacks, VISIT THE MAP TO UPGRADE YOUR LIFE AND RAGE BAR !!!!!! ... there is plenty of things to do instead of wasting 4 hrs on something you know is almost impossible in your current state (lack of skill, bad mindset and stuff blablabla....).

And patch changed nothing, this is cognitive bias or false memories of difficultie level. Maybe you were not level 5 when you previously beat her, didn't have the same stuff, same runics, same mindset when you played, same experience of the game, she didn't do the same pattern as your current game... blablablabla

You just need to try 10 min the boss to estimate your chances to win and then ask yourself if it's better to continue or leave. Your judgement seems ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up here. You loose more than 5-10 times in a row without reaching a specific life bar (50% HP ? 30 % ?) ? Leave, next.

Use runics attacks of all your weapons at the begining of the match to do a lot of damages quickly, use arows to deal little bits of damage (yes, little bit but it's ok), push enemies of the edge (the shield / your fists and feets / charged attacks / runics can push them out of the map), use your rage (Very important !), dodge, dodge again, use your shield, dodge blablabla... use runics again when they are available, rince and repeat.

Equip everything that gives you reduce cooldown on runics attacks, add frost damage or burning damage, upgrade to max your runics, come with rage bar filled to max and rez stone.... hophophop goodbye Kara

Yeah, I managed to beat her yesterday while I was still level 5 despite raging for hours.
Like I said before, I'd fought her before, but you are right, sometimes a slight deviation in stats can completely change the course of a fight in this game, for better or worse. As I said, I never struggled with other Valkyries, not even Sigrun. The main reason being is that all the other Valkyrie fights are 1v1. Most people, even dumbasses like me can eventually memorise attack patterns of a single enemy. Kara is a different ballgame due to the add factor.
While her moveset is very bare bones, it's very difficult for me to juggle fighting a Valkyrie while fending off trash mobs that are cluttering the screen, my brain simply cannot multitask fast enough. Add on top of that the draugrs she summons can take you out in two hits and it's a recipe for a rage induced brain aneurysm.

[Jahellson]

Originally posted by acowsik:

If you fight her at the earliest possible (when you are at the witch cave as soon as you heal Atreus) then she is a lot harder cos you are only around lvl 5 or 6 so and don't have a lot of runic options and much cooldown either. Thats when I fought her on GMGOW difficulty. She was the second Valkyrie I fought after Gunnr.

If you fight the Valkyries at the earliest possible chance, here is the likely order you do them...

Gunnr
Kara
Olrun (totally depends on when you decide to visit Alfheim)
Geirdriful
Eir
Rota (totally depends on when you decide to visit Helheim after escaping from there)
Hildr (depends on when you decide to grind Niflheim)
Gondul (depends on when you decide to grind Muspelheim)
Sigrun

It's not necessary to have healed Atreus to face Kara, once you get the Chisel it's possible.

If we put them all in order of when it is possible to face them (ignoring the difficulty of each one) it looks like this:
1 - Gondul (Muspelheim);
2 - 4 Valkyries from Midgard + 1 from Alfheim;
7 - Rota (Helheim);
8 - Hildr (Niflheim);
9 - Sigrun.

[acowsik]

Originally posted by Jahellson:

Originally posted by acowsik:

If you fight her at the earliest possible (when you are at the witch cave as soon as you heal Atreus) then she is a lot harder cos you are only around lvl 5 or 6 so and don't have a lot of runic options and much cooldown either. Thats when I fought her on GMGOW difficulty. She was the second Valkyrie I fought after Gunnr.

If you fight the Valkyries at the earliest possible chance, here is the likely order you do them...

Gunnr
Kara
Olrun (totally depends on when you decide to visit Alfheim)
Geirdriful
Eir
Rota (totally depends on when you decide to visit Helheim after escaping from there)
Hildr (depends on when you decide to grind Niflheim)
Gondul (depends on when you decide to grind Muspelheim)
Sigrun

It's not necessary to have healed Atreus to face Kara, once you get the Chisel it's possible.

If we put them all in order of when it is possible to face them (ignoring the difficulty of each one) it looks like this:
1 - Gondul (Muspelheim);
2 - 4 Valkyries from Midgard + 1 from Alfheim;
7 - Rota (Helheim);
8 - Hildr (Niflheim);
9 - Sigrun.

You can definitely go to Muspelheim very early but the trials are just way too difficult without having all the upgrades and runic attacks. On NG+ that is possible ofc but not on NG as it becomes way too difficult.