Chapter 3 path in late game? (Spoiler warning for chapter 3)

[Jibii]

When you get to chapter 3 there is a choice of path through Caves or by the river.

For people who are late game, which path do you take and why?

I personally take the river for grinding and the caves for progression.

River due to more storage

Cave due to the x3 HP

[LameSpy]

it swings back and forth for a little while but ultimately the extra health from the cave massively outweighs the increased inventory.
The end of ch5 seems to indicate that the river will be more viable in future chapters but for now the cave is by far the better route

[phillip_lynx]

I started with the cave for a while.

But now, as I am near to the End of chapter 5 (and the game for now) I take the river route, because of bigger inventory.

Because there is a point, where you have to store 25 of one thing, to get all of chapter 5 and I want to get all things ;)

[Furrygopher]

My first run took me 188 Generations taking the mine basically every time after a few river runs, but for the second I chose to never enter the mine as an experiment, That run took 217 generations.

Perhaps there is an optimal path switching back and forth depending on if the wall you are hitting is combat or not, but on the face of it the river seems wildly under powered.

[phillip_lynx]

Originally posted by Furrygopher:

My first run took me 188 Generations taking the mine basically every time after a few river runs, but for the second I chose to never enter the mine as an experiment, That run took 217 generations.

Perhaps there is an optimal path switching back and forth depending on if the wall you are hitting is combat or not, but on the face of it the river seems wildly under powered.

When you have done 100% you have surely seen the tools vendor.
IF you can beat all things in the tavern AND took the beach route, you are able to purchase everything there. If you want all, you need to go to the beach and complete the tavern.

[jadenedaj on x]

It's a 25% speed increase shovel vs 3x hp.. Maybe if chapter 6+ has LOTS of digging its worth it, but I doubt it

[Snakes on an Inclined Plane]

Originally posted by phillip_lynx:

IF you can beat all things in the tavern AND took the beach route, you are able to purchase everything there. If you want all, you need to go to the beach and complete the tavern.

Err... you can get by with 15, no? Are you considering buying tools immediately once you get to the vendor, then farming the rest of the currency?

[FenrirAdra]

It really comes down to whether you want the cart or the 3x health; there's pros and cons to both.

On the cart - you won't actually see much benefit from it, as you'll reach a point where you grind up to 25 food, but the health decay is rapid enough that you don't even eat 10 of any food before you die. It's not like the cart actually helps streamline any other building projects (as far as I know) - in fact there is one thing in CH5 that needs you to collect a full inventory of an item before you can complete the exploration, so requiring 5 more of that thing would technically slow you down.

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On the 3x health, IMO it stays way too good, for way too long. Mostly because once you get to a point where you're getting 500k+ HP with it, it makes a lot of other optional tasks much easier to do and not die trying.

Just that eventually you'll hit a point where you're zooming through the chapter(s) so quickly that you don't actually heal up all the way - you'll be eating all your food on cooldown and interrupting other actions to refill pretty much constantly. So here also, the faster you go, the less beneficial it becomes until it's basically irrelevant because you're not actually filling back up to the 3x max health limit (you won't really notice that being an issue until you've beaten the current early access content and done several more runs after that; it's just still a thing that you'll eventually hit *until* more new chapters are released).

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So, it really boils down to where you are at in the game I think.

For the sake of unlocking the automation? Go for the river route, but then swap to mine route until you're done with the current CH5.

And then when you've got runs to be very fast and may want to finish the optional CH5 tasks, you might not actually be "gaining" anything from the 3x health, and could swap back to river route just fine without actually "losing" anything.

[jadenedaj on x]

Originally posted by Snakes on an Inclined Plane:

Originally posted by phillip_lynx:

IF you can beat all things in the tavern AND took the beach route, you are able to purchase everything there. If you want all, you need to go to the beach and complete the tavern.

Err... you can get by with 15, no? Are you considering buying tools immediately once you get to the vendor, then farming the rest of the currency?

The problem with 15 is that you will be collecting more than 15 coins before being able to spend them, so there is waste, leading to not being able to buy all the tools.. But again, I argue the last tool is a waste compared to 3x hp anyway...

Although as FenrirAdra points out, eventually you beat the game so fast that you don't actually use the 3x hp boost at all, but again I'd say that in chapter 6+, 3x hp will beat the extra tool, probably... Actually you probably WANT tool useage to be SLOWER so you can spend more time eating..

I can argue tools are not only a waste but often a DETRIMENT

[borandi]

You get 20 coins in the tavern, 20 coins in the games.
All the tools cost 40 coins. You need at least 20 storage at that point to get all the tools, because you have to leave the tavern to start building tools.

Going the river route upgrades from 20 to 25 if you've built all the carts up to that point. So it doesn't matter either way, really, as you can have 20 going the mine route.

But completing the tavern is hard, and typically only possible if you've already beaten CH5 a hundred times+.

[rexalian2000]

you need 25 storage, not 20 to get all the coins, 5 from the cards , 5 from teh dance, 10 from the dragon slayer, 5 from cooking eggs,. and you need every coin to get all tools

[phillip_lynx]

Originally posted by borandi:

You get 20 coins in the tavern, 20 coins in the games.
All the tools cost 40 coins. You need at least 20 storage at that point to get all the tools, because you have to leave the tavern to start building tools.

Going the river route upgrades from 20 to 25 if you've built all the carts up to that point. So it doesn't matter either way, really, as you can have 20 going the mine route.

But completing the tavern is hard, and typically only possible if you've already beaten CH5 a hundred times+.

You get 25 in tavern (including the eggs) and 15 in games ... so you need a capacity of 25 to get all tools.

[borandi]

Originally posted by rexalian2000:

you need 25 storage, not 20 to get all the coins, 5 from the cards , 5 from teh dance, 10 from the dragon slayer, 5 from cooking eggs,. and you need every coin to get all tools

Ah I completely missed 5 from eggs. I also thought games were 5/5/10. My bad.

[MrOrhan]

I Played it to the end. To reach the end you will need the cave. But if u want to COMPLETE EVERY TASK, You need to take also the cave, but once you can beat "Dragons equals" few times, you should take the river. Because, you get silver coins in the Tavern and 5 after the Tavern. All in all u get 25 to spend, before u cant spend it. If You want all those upgrades, you will need 25 extra coin AND the 15 coin in the games.
So if you dont take the river path, you cant upgrade your cart to 25. So U cant do one of those tools.

For this version, you dont need them, but after the update you will need them I gues! (I am waiting for the update, but there is nothing :( ....)

[thefollowingcharacters]

Take the river when your combat is still weak, and you want to level up your sailing. You'll also likely get farther and can get other unlocks. Once your combat is better, you'll want to take the mine every time.

Everyone else who is talking about the carts are talking about the part of the game that the dev clearly told people, "Don't really play this, its not balanced or ready yet."

[phillip_lynx]

Originally posted by thefollowingcharacters:

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Everyone else who is talking about the carts are talking about the part of the game that the dev clearly told people, "Don't really play this, its not balanced or ready yet."

Because of this statement I create three Savegames, to have something to do while waiting for new content.
I think, when new content is there, I will continue with my first save (beaten EA).