Why so negative?

[赤ちゃん]

Most of the discussions seem to blatantly show their hatred for this game they probably didn't even spend the time to open and play. Is there any reason people are so hateful for a game that appears to be openly catering for the female audience.
It's free even, and it's about as beautifully drawn as you can expect. Give the game a chance and if it's not your cup of tea, move on, it's literally a free game. Are people so openly grosses out about a free game, that isn't even an eroge, that is so far wholesome? Real snowflakes here.....

[Ghostface’s Goth GF]

On a side note, I hope this sub-series gets another game! I really like it, and we don't have enough catboy content LOL. I'm willing to pay money for more!

[XxmisamurderxX]

I have no idea who else would have a problem with catboys other than crusty fanboys who're salty that the nekopara devs made a short male version that doesn't cater to them when they literally have 4 other catgirl titty eroges that cater to them specifically already.

I will never understand the negative reactions, it seems that we can't have any female-targeted media without some dude b*tching about how it doesn't cater to him SOMEWHERE on the internet. Smh.

[Kitsune-Chan]

It has nothing to do with being male or female: it's just a matter of people not being happy when one of their favorite franchises releases a game that doesn't perfectly appeal to them. Same thing happens with big franchises like Pokemon and Mario.
All it is is people being upset that the newest release isn't what they wanted+being upset that time was taken away from projects they like for a project they don't like.
Can I say I blame them necessarily? No, but they can definitely stand to be less rude to those who do enjoy a different play style.

[赤ちゃん]

Origineel geplaatst door Kitsune-Chan:

It has nothing to do with being male or female: it's just a matter of people not being happy when one of their favorite franchises releases a game that doesn't perfectly appeal to them. Same thing happens with big franchises like Pokemon and Mario.
All it is is people being upset that the newest release isn't what they wanted+being upset that time was taken away from projects they like for a project they don't like.
Can I say I blame them necessarily? No, but they can definitely stand to be less rude to those who do enjoy a different play style.

The devils advocate would work here, if the game not only wasn't free but had been rejected during it's april fools day announcement. Not only was the concept met with overwhelming positivity, but it was requested so much that it went from a joke to a fun side project. If these are fans of the series, they shouldn't be surprised at all, and if they are upset, the fact that it was free, and the "time taken" used to make this game so minimal, I don't understand still that view-point.

[♡]

Origineel geplaatst door Rem:

Origineel geplaatst door mega milk:

because women can't have one good thing without the men getting upset the attention is off of them for 5 seconds, despite having NUMEROUS games (not just nekopara installments) that cater to them constantly. company makes a single game to cater to the female population, men go absolutely feral over it. it's funny tbh if not a bit sad

HEY can you not put us all bpx some man yes but not all of us

if ur upset because i said "men" as a whole in this context then it sounds like u fit in that box

[theStyleWithin]

Nekoworks is allowed to make what they want those who hate it can go cry in a corner.

[dashersbeatz]

In my review, I have never indicated that I am not satisfied with the biological sex / gender of the characters. My goal was to show the devil-may-care attitude of the developers towards their own audience, since openly feeding the audience with slag (even as an experiment) is blatant disrespect. Maintaining brand integrity is the main task of the entrepreneur, who Sayori is. Here, there are clear hints of creating a conveyor of unpretentious underdogs, which is clearly not acceptable for a well-known and successful franchise, which has won itself a solid fanbase (both male and female).

[GRyPHonCHik]

Maybe because the main story is sucks, most of the dialogues are created only for filling time and instead of humor, a solid cringe? Or because game has a weak graphics for 2021, and instead of animation emojis? Or maybe the silent hero and boring characters are to blame for everything? Or maybe because all of the above is released on behalf of a good series of games? I think, that there is nothing wrong with targeting a certain audience, but this will not be an excuse for the slag that came out. It doesn't matter what gender the characters are, is it important which game is the result.

[Wren]

Origineel geplaatst door mega milk:

Origineel geplaatst door Rem:

HEY can you not put us all bpx some man yes but not all of us

if ur upset because i said "men" as a whole in this context then it sounds like u fit in that box

Um, sorry but no. Not at all. I'm a girl and I also take issue with the way I've seen you generalising men on this forum, several of your posts being way more direct and derisive than that one. If someone came along and said the same stuff about women, people like you would no doubt be throwing a fit in here.

At the end of the day, it's a vocal minority of men that even give a second thought to this game. Let's not bring more bigotry here when that's what you were complaining about in the first place, hm?

Sorry to derail, guys, not gonna go any further on this, just couldn't leave that sitting there unaddressed. Back to the game discussion! <3

[Nês]

Origineel geplaatst door GRyPHonCHik:

Maybe because the main story is sucks, most of the dialogues are created only for filling time and instead of humor, a solid cringe? Or because game has a weak graphics for 2021, and instead of animation emojis? Or maybe the silent hero and boring characters are to blame for everything? Or maybe because all of the above is released on behalf of a good series of games? I think, that there is nothing wrong with targeting a certain audience, but this will not be an excuse for the slag that came out. It doesn't matter what gender the characters are, is it important which game is the result.

Most of the stuff you said can also be pointed out in Nekopara main series :v
Sure the graphics are weak but it was a free game, to have E-Mote in they would need to use a higher budget and have the game be priced tag to recover the money spent
Silent Hero ... Kashou is too
Boring Characters , filling time or cringe humor? Are we gonna ignora that some folks feel like that about Nekopara in general? Cause its just a slice of life with horny catgirls and a siscon imouto trowned in for the sake of humor.

I like nekopara in general but i don't tag it in such a high way like most fanbase
For a slice of life VN its good, there's even other CHEAPER VN's with the same setting as this one Rongrong Bianli Dian/Fluffly Store is one of those.
Nekopara got famous cause it started out as H doujins, has great art and people starrted talking about it online (mostly cause of the doujin or the VN having e-mote, specially during s3x scenes....ChuxChu Idol did this before but ok)
And what's wrong with the franchise expasion? that should be viewed as good thing

[GRyPHonCHik]

Origineel geplaatst door Nês:

Origineel geplaatst door GRyPHonCHik:

Maybe because the main story is sucks, most of the dialogues are created only for filling time and instead of humor, a solid cringe? Or because game has a weak graphics for 2021, and instead of animation emojis? Or maybe the silent hero and boring characters are to blame for everything? Or maybe because all of the above is released on behalf of a good series of games? I think, that there is nothing wrong with targeting a certain audience, but this will not be an excuse for the slag that came out. It doesn't matter what gender the characters are, is it important which game is the result.

Most of the stuff you said can also be pointed out in Nekopara main series :v
Sure the graphics are weak but it was a free game, to have E-Mote in they would need to use a higher budget and have the game be priced tag to recover the money spent
Silent Hero ... Kashou is too
Boring Characters , filling time or cringe humor? Are we gonna ignora that some folks feel like that about Nekopara in general? Cause its just a slice of life with horny catgirls and a siscon imouto trowned in for the sake of humor.

I like nekopara in general but i don't tag it in such a high way like most fanbase
For a slice of life VN its good, there's even other CHEAPER VN's with the same setting as this one Rongrong Bianli Dian/Fluffly Store is one of those.
Nekopara got famous cause it started out as H doujins, has great art and people starrted talking about it online (mostly cause of the doujin or the VN having e-mote, specially during s3x scenes....ChuxChu Idol did this before but ok)
And what's wrong with the franchise expasion? that should be viewed as good thing

They didn't have enough money for animation? Okay, then why is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ background drawn better than ALL the characters in this novel? Even if for some reason they could not draw only 4 characters properly, why did they make moments where these characters are approaching and where bad textures are visible in all their glory?
Why is Kashou a silent character? Yes, he has no voice acting, but at the same time he has a lot of lines of dialogue and his own character. In Catboys, the main character can only wave her head, causing readers to get seasick.
And someone generally believes that all novels are entertainment for stupid otaku, why does no one pay attention to their opinion when judging novels? So it's better to look at the fact, and not according to some random people. If this is "just a slice of life with horny catgirls and a siscon", then where did they come from: vol 0, extra, Nekopara Ova? Why is it possible to switch hentai in vol 4 and why do a lot of fans play it without a patch? It’s not bad that the franchise expands. The bad news is that the franchise is being expanded by a third-rate game made by an unknown people.

[Nês]

Origineel geplaatst door Nês:

Origineel geplaatst door GRyPHonCHik:

They didn't have enough money for animation? Okay, then why is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ background drawn better than ALL the characters in this novel? Even if for some reason they could not draw only 4 characters properly, why did they make moments where these characters are approaching and where bad textures are visible in all their glory?
Why is Kashou a silent character? Yes, he has no voice acting, but at the same time he has a lot of lines of dialogue and his own character. In Catboys, the main character can only wave her head, causing readers to get seasick.
And someone generally believes that all novels are entertainment for stupid otaku, why does no one pay attention to their opinion when judging novels? So it's better to look at the fact, and not according to some random people. If this is "just a slice of life with horny catgirls and a siscon", then where did they come from: vol 0, extra, Nekopara Ova? Why is it possible to switch hentai in vol 4 and why do a lot of fans play it without a patch? It’s not bad that the franchise expands. The bad news is that the franchise is being expanded by a third-rate game made by an unknown people.

Simple, Nekopara Extra and OVA came from the Kickstarter fundation supported by fans that like me wanted to see the franchise animated...while others only expected it to have the H scenes animated (LMAO)
About the staff in this spin-off project, I did some search and found out the writer worked on previous otome games, two of them being Hiiro No Kakera and Clock Zero which are famous inside the otome community, even without an oficial english release.
And well the main character waving her head its a trope in some otome games, console mostly, idk why but it is, and rarely otome games have the protagonist inner thoughts....they boys always assume what she's saying/thinking xD
The possibility to remove the Hentai parts in volume 4 its cause like i mentioned in another discussion thread, when VN companies start to get noticed by their work they most of the time stop releasing the ero content cause they longer need it to catch people attention and make money, type-moon for example the writer and artist never wanted to turn their franchise into an eroge but they knew it would help boost the sales, thats why years later we got all ages version with more story content. Sayori likes doing lewd illustrations and eroge content and that's ok, i'm not hating or anything, folks tend to get enraged cause you have to pay for p0rn (its like....they don't even notice the full game price is 2,200 JPY / $19.96 USD in japanese websites?)
I support VN's that allow you to choose if you want to have the s3x scenes add or not, cause sometimes I just want a wholesome slice of life experience (not in nekopara case, but some eroges, the H scenes feel out of place or bad written) <- welp this part pretty much explains why sometimes I play Nekopara without a patch.
But if you look around steam VN discussions there's tons of threads saying - NO R18? Then no buy - which i find stupid tbh...if it isn't a nukige, the H scenes aren't completly needed (at least for me) to enjoy the story, specially the extra, it was wholesome seeing the enviroment they grew in.
I loved the anime adapatation of nekopara cause it felt charming and they acted even more like cats. Nekopara Extra (either the VN or the OVA) were great, it felt wholesome seeing the enviroment which the catgirls were raised and how each one developed to be characters that they are

Shigure tries to always buttin day dreaming about her onii-san, I feel like that's the only trait she has. oh she's proud of her catgirls

And about the blurriness, that has already been approached in another discussion topic, techinical problems idk, its a free game, rushed development, has to do with the png idk
only the developers could answer that
"the franchise is being expanded by a third-rate game made by an unknown people." This was about to happen sooner or later, the same thing might happen with the gacha game


i didn't expect much from a free game, announced as a joke and what I got i wasn't very dissapointed, it felt like vol 1 but with boys instead

[Whimsy]

Origineel geplaatst door GRyPHonCHik:

In Catboys, the main character can only wave her head, causing readers to get seasick.

Sayori gave an explanation on why MC in this game is silent, it's to provide the ability of the drama CD narrative by using autoplay to just listen to the character voices.
https://twitter.com/sayori_nw/status/1415956714793291780

[GRyPHonCHik]

Origineel geplaatst door Nês:

Origineel geplaatst door Nês:

Simple, Nekopara Extra and OVA came from the Kickstarter fundation supported by fans that like me wanted to see the franchise animated...while others only expected it to have the H scenes animated (LMAO)
About the staff in this spin-off project, I did some search and found out the writer worked on previous otome games, two of them being Hiiro No Kakera and Clock Zero which are famous inside the otome community, even without an oficial english release.
And well the main character waving her head its a trope in some otome games, console mostly, idk why but it is, and rarely otome games have the protagonist inner thoughts....they boys always assume what she's saying/thinking xD
The possibility to remove the Hentai parts in volume 4 its cause like i mentioned in another discussion thread, when VN companies start to get noticed by their work they most of the time stop releasing the ero content cause they longer need it to catch people attention and make money, type-moon for example the writer and artist never wanted to turn their franchise into an eroge but they knew it would help boost the sales, thats why years later we got all ages version with more story content. Sayori likes doing lewd illustrations and eroge content and that's ok, i'm not hating or anything, folks tend to get enraged cause you have to pay for p0rn (its like....they don't even notice the full game price is 2,200 JPY / $19.96 USD in japanese websites?)
I support VN's that allow you to choose if you want to have the s3x scenes add or not, cause sometimes I just want a wholesome slice of life experience (not in nekopara case, but some eroges, the H scenes feel out of place or bad written) <- welp this part pretty much explains why sometimes I play Nekopara without a patch.
But if you look around steam VN discussions there's tons of threads saying - NO R18? Then no buy - which i find stupid tbh...if it isn't a nukige, the H scenes aren't completly needed (at least for me) to enjoy the story, specially the extra, it was wholesome seeing the enviroment they grew in.
I loved the anime adapatation of nekopara cause it felt charming and they acted even more like cats. Nekopara Extra (either the VN or the OVA) were great, it felt wholesome seeing the enviroment which the catgirls were raised and how each one developed to be characters that they are

Shigure tries to always buttin day dreaming about her onii-san, I feel like that's the only trait she has. oh she's proud of her catgirls

And about the blurriness, that has already been approached in another discussion topic, techinical problems idk, its a free game, rushed development, has to do with the png idk
only the developers could answer that
"the franchise is being expanded by a third-rate game made by an unknown people." This was about to happen sooner or later, the same thing might happen with the gacha game


i didn't expect much from a free game, announced as a joke and what I got i wasn't very dissapointed, it felt like vol 1 but with boys instead

Hmm, I didn't know about kickstarter, but don't forget about vol 0, which was released after vol 1 and no funds were collected for it.
Before starting the game in catboys, I looked at the composition of the developers. I also watched the writer, but I didn't see any outstanding games from him: the usual romantic novels, which are already littered with steam. Maybe he is known in otaku circles, but good games are usually translated into other languages(for example, Ace Attorney, Yakuza, Nekopara), so he is not so popular or a good writer.
This could be true, but in vol 4, there is more Hentai than in any other part. So this is most likely an attempt to please everyone at once. If the story is interesting, then only the most horny will demand ero content. At least, I think so. That is why Nekopara is quite an interesting project: it can exist both with and without hentai content. But this is not about that now.
Yes, the game will be distributed for free, and it would be strange to expect something unimaginable from it at least. BUT. A counter question arises: what is the point of releasing such a nondescript free game when you could make a really good product and pay a decent price for it? You see, if you compare this "craft" with the main series of nekopara, then the difference in quality will be huge. In a bad way for this vn. Therefore, it would be better if the announcement of this otome remained a joke on the first of April, because its existence really looks like some kind of joke. This is far from the level of Nekopara. Long and empty dialogues(which are apparently new to the series), the absence of the main character as such, in the end, that very special atmosphere disappeared. This is not vol 1 with guys. This is an ordinary no ideal romantic novel, which for some reason was called Nekopara.

[Nês]

Origineel geplaatst door GRyPHonCHik:

Origineel geplaatst door Nês:

Hmm, I didn't know about kickstarter, but don't forget about vol 0, which was released after vol 1 and no funds were collected for it.
Before starting the game in catboys, I looked at the composition of the developers. I also watched the writer, but I didn't see any outstanding games from him: the usual romantic novels, which are already littered with steam. Maybe he is known in otaku circles, but good games are usually translated into other languages(for example, Ace Attorney, Yakuza, Nekopara), so he is not so popular or a good writer.
This could be true, but in vol 4, there is more Hentai than in any other part. So this is most likely an attempt to please everyone at once. If the story is interesting, then only the most horny will demand ero content. At least, I think so. That is why Nekopara is quite an interesting project: it can exist both with and without hentai content. But this is not about that now.
Yes, the game will be distributed for free, and it would be strange to expect something unimaginable from it at least. BUT. A counter question arises: what is the point of releasing such a nondescript free game when you could make a really good product and pay a decent price for it? You see, if you compare this "craft" with the main series of nekopara, then the difference in quality will be huge. In a bad way for this vn. Therefore, it would be better if the announcement of this otome remained a joke on the first of April, because its existence really looks like some kind of joke. This is far from the level of Nekopara. Long and empty dialogues(which are apparently new to the series), the absence of the main character as such, in the end, that very special atmosphere disappeared. This is not vol 1 with guys. This is an ordinary no ideal romantic novel, which for some reason was called Nekopara.

I agree with you in some points but what I mean by Nekopara with guys is the setting, that's why I call fluffy store a cheap Nekopara, because the 3 VN's have the same setting - a cafe runned by Kemonomimi characters...and if we want to go even deeper...the meaning behind Nekopara is to be a cat paradise, which makes sense it exists a buttler cafe too :v - I don't want the male counterparts to be copypastes of the original girls personalities ..
And where's maid cafes, there's buttlers cafe's,

what is the point - it was a joke, but fans on twitter kept asking for this to be a real game, maybe they never expected that type of feedback and had to rush something.
And once again, coming from a joke of course the difference in quality would be huge, not the same team behind the main series, when i saw the first tweet back in April 1 I had a feeling if this was gonna become a thing, most likely they would hand it over to someone with experience in otomes.
Like someone else said, sayori stated they wanted this to feel more like a DRAMA CD, and its what it feels like. And seems like it was something to test the waters, to see if people would accept the idea or not, I would love if this had its own series were improvements can be done