So can you like, not save progression?

[tome.of.finland]

I got one-shotted by the ship boss and had to start the whole level over again with none of my progression saved. Is this a feature or a bug?

If it's a bug, fix it.
If it's a feature, very sad, refund time.

[ZexxCrine]

R o g u e l I t e

[Awt]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

R o g u e l I t e

This is the first roguelite I played where you can click "Save and Exit" then when you open up the game you restart the tutorial.

[Captain Geriatric]

Originally posted by tome.of.finland:

I got one-shotted by the ship boss and had to start the whole level over again with none of my progression saved. Is this a feature or a bug?

If it's a bug, fix it.
If it's a feature, very sad, refund time.

Your Progression is in form of unlockables - that's the rogue-lite part - a roguelite is about trying, getting better, learning. You died because there was a boss mechanic you didn't know yet. If you learn from your mistakes you won't fall for the same trap again and you will beat the boss.

TL:DR: You gained experience over game mechanics and currency to unlock weapon-mods and abilities. You didn't loose anything.

[Unreal]

Originally posted by Awt:

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

R o g u e l I t e

This is the first roguelite I played where you can click "Save and Exit" then when you open up the game you restart the tutorial.

Fairly sure it's just a issue with the game right now. Unless you literally trigger a game over you should be able to continue from where you were left, no matter the map or turn you saved at

[BlackjackGT]

I tend to tell people to keep in mind how forgiving the game is:
-You can Undo any movement on the battle grid, and even undo all of your 3 units' movements, so I tend to try like 20 different movement patterns and coordination of synch attacks before committing to do anything (attacks, abilities etc.).

-You have the couple of Turn Resets, although it seems buggy to me, and sometimes characters don't seem to be in the places they were on the prior turns. Maybe I don't understand the feature - to me it seems to "sort of" undo the last turn but puts some characters/enemies in different places than the prior turn.

-You can Save and Exit at any point after the initial placement of your characters. Even on boss battles.

It's not XCOM, and aside from the Scirocco region's never ending boss battles, most missions/maps are often completed in like 10-15 minutes or so. It's not the kind of game one needs to SCUMM SAVE every other minute, which I did in XCOM games. :)

And I'm someone who pilloried Element: Space's devs for refusing to add even a basic "quicksave" or "Save and Exit" feature. So I'm a big savegame fan, but I think how it works in MST is fine given how short most battles are, and the various forgiving features (Undoing last move, last turns, Save and Exit etc.).

[tome.of.finland]

Well, that sucks.
I was expecting FFT, not Enter the Gungeon. I wanted to love this game. Refund time it is.
Thanks, lads.

[tome.of.finland]

Originally posted by Captain Geriatric:

Originally posted by tome.of.finland:

I got one-shotted by the ship boss and had to start the whole level over again with none of my progression saved. Is this a feature or a bug?

If it's a bug, fix it.
If it's a feature, very sad, refund time.

Your Progression is in form of unlockables - that's the rogue-lite part - a roguelite is about trying, getting better, learning. You died because there was a boss mechanic you didn't know yet. If you learn from your mistakes you won't fall for the same trap again and you will beat the boss.

TL:DR: You gained experience over game mechanics and currency to unlock weapon-mods and abilities. You didn't loose anything.

Except I didn't have them when I restarted. Zero xp, zero boosts, zero unlocks. That's not progression, that's "start from zero and play the level over again."

I do not like this style of gameplay. It is frustrating and un-fun.

The only thing I dislike more than "soulslike" is "roguelike."

I hated Rogue 35 years ago when I played it off of a 5 1/4" floppy diskette.

And it sucks, because I really, REALLY love Metal Slug and wanted to play FFT but with Metal Slug sprites.

[frogger]

from the art and name I was also expecting FFT, but when I played the demo, it was clear that it was into the breach.

the game is most fun after you finish a zone or two and your abilities start chaining together. it plays totally differently than FFT.

[UrbanNoodles]

Originally posted by tome.of.finland:

If it's a feature, very sad, refund time.

This is a roguelite, when you die you restart. You knew what you were buying. This is on you.

[Irreversal]

People seem confused because there is in fact progression. You keep unlocks you have made. BUT there is currently a bug that wipes your entire save profile. making you restart the tutorial and everything you unlocked is gone. You click save and exit and come back and it's all gone and you are redoing the tutorial. This is a bug and not part of the rogue-lite experience.

[MarkedMarkyMark]

Originally posted by tome.of.finland:

Well, that sucks.
I was expecting FFT, not Enter the Gungeon. I wanted to love this game. Refund time it is.
Thanks, lads.

Where the heck did you take Enter the Gungeon from? Ever played Into the Breach, it's that, but slightly easier frankly

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by MarkedMarkyMark:

Originally posted by tome.of.finland:

Well, that sucks.
I was expecting FFT, not Enter the Gungeon. I wanted to love this game. Refund time it is.
Thanks, lads.

Where the heck did you take Enter the Gungeon from? Ever played Into the Breach, it's that, but slightly easier frankly

.....because enter the gungeon is also a rougelike?

[Rithrin]

Enter/Exit the Gungeon but with Metal Slug sidescroller type combat would be rad.

[tome.of.finland]

Originally posted by MarkedMarkyMark:

Where the heck did you take Enter the Gungeon from? Ever played Into the Breach, it's that, but slightly easier frankly

When you die in Enter the Gungeon, you start off at the first level with zero progression. All the time you spent, gone. It is impossible to progress in these kinds of games.

Play, die, start over is perfectly fine for Super Mario Bros. Because each level is exactly the same every time you play so you - as a player - can make progression as you GIT GUD by learning layouts and enemy patterns. You GIT GUD by developing muscle memory and reflexes.

In Roguelikes, there IS no progression. You die, you start over. Everything's new. So it's impossible to learn. You have to be both preternaturally good at the mechanics AND need to have extreme luck.

This game design has the worst sin imaginable: It is disrespectful of your time. If I play for an hour, I expect to be able to save & quit and go back at it. If I die, I expect to start over from my save point and continue playing from there so I can actually GIT GUD.

Already refunded so, whatever dood. Maybe when they update and remove the roguelike aspect from the game and make it a tactics RPG like I was expecting, I'll buy it again.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by tome.of.finland:

Originally posted by MarkedMarkyMark:

Where the heck did you take Enter the Gungeon from? Ever played Into the Breach, it's that, but slightly easier frankly

When you die in Enter the Gungeon, you start off at the first level with zero progression. All the time you spent, gone. It is impossible to progress in these kinds of games.

Play, die, start over is perfectly fine for Super Mario Bros. Because each level is exactly the same every time you play so you - as a player - can make progression as you GIT GUD by learning layouts and enemy patterns. You GIT GUD by developing muscle memory and reflexes.

In Roguelikes, there IS no progression. You die, you start over. Everything's new. So it's impossible to learn. You have to be both preternaturally good at the mechanics AND need to have extreme luck.

This game design has the worst sin imaginable: It is disrespectful of your time. If I play for an hour, I expect to be able to save & quit and go back at it. If I die, I expect to start over from my save point and continue playing from there so I can actually GIT GUD.

Already refunded so, whatever dood. Maybe when they update and remove the roguelike aspect from the game and make it a tactics RPG like I was expecting, I'll buy it again.

I respect that you dislike rougelikes. I can understand that. I cannot excuse the idea that rougelike games are impossible to learn or get better in. many many people have beaten enter the gungeon and many rougelikes continue to come out. do you think that people just cheat in acheivements and are just all stuck on the first level?

impossible may not mean what you think it does