First boss still frustrating as hell

[Stormfox]

It looks like nothing changed here, so we still have the issue of a boss fight that is almost impossible to do in a game where everything kills you in two hits, selecting healing aids takes ages and a swap to the menu while mobs are attacking you, you can only run for seconds, the enemies in that area are faster than you, the only hit zone sometimes refuses to open up for a minute at a time and the way from respawn to boss is ether 2 minutes of walking in hard mode (i.e. full combat) or 2 minutes of walking and then 5 minutes of stealth-assassinations where you also are not allowed to screw up even once.

This is the epitome of unfun. At the very least, there needs to be a respawn before you teleport or hop into the arena so you do not have to re-do everything all the time.

You can either have difficult bosses but with tools to combat them and ease of getting to them or you can have difficult ways to reach something but it is relatively straightforward. Not both.

[alexUnder]

Stealthier path doesn't kill the boss - only half of its health. And I agree that 1st chapter boss is exceptionally hard. Vendingos specifically make it hardcore. Also he's really far away so it's very boring to run from Jim to the boss over & over again. So it end with me as a player redoing stealth path over & over again, and dying at the actual boss fight. Tried 6 times already. Really annoying
PS. Maybe I am doing something wrong and I can kill the boss at stealthier path somehow

[Stormfox]

As we said, the stealth path does *not* allow you to ignore the boss fight, it only means that after the whole stealth path, it is already down to 50% health.

[Lord Nighthawk]

I last played act 1 about 4 weeks ago and there i could completly kill the boss with only ruining his root seeds. So something is either off now or has been changed with the last patch then if you tell me it´s different now.

When i am in the root area there is not even a path back up there, and it would make no sense to remove optional bossfight paths when the point of a bossfight is to test what the player learned in the previous playing hours....and that was stealth in most cases.

[Stormfox]

You can disbelief all you want, facts are facts. You can go there yourself if you really want to. The cave system ends after a few of those buds in a large cavern with a Wendigo in it and a raven pedestal. The only way forward at that point is to use that to teleport you to the arena.

[Lord Nighthawk]

I don´t disbelieve, your tellings just don´t match my latest experience where is simply wrecked that tree with destroying all bags that where hanging at his roots. I never needed to teleport back up as the chapter always endet there for me. Have you really found and destroyed all these bags?

And it would make no sense to force me into an action bossfight when the game taught me stealth all the previous playtime. That would be a pretty bad gamedesign decision.

As i have no chance to get quick to that location i would have to start a new playthrough later. Or some developer enlights us.

[Nyamses]

For the first boss, the shotgun is your friend. Decrease the boss health by going the "alternative" route, then jump and shoot at its core with gold shotgun ammo. Shotguns will also momentarily stun Wendigos, so it gives you some breathing room.

From my experience, the boss will open up momentarily if you destroy one of its petals that 'bloom".

If you just focus the boss, chances are you'll kill it before it can overwhelm you with repeated Wendigo spawns. You can also use the Gold Dust buff for your melee weapon and axe it to death, whichever suits your needs/playstyle. The yellow potion can also help you manage your Stamina better.

[Storm]

Reading those comments (didn't played the game yet) I'm already scared about difficulty and level of time wasting annoyance. Is there even no difficulty levels like in almost any other game, so gamers like me can just enjoy exploration, story and occassional fights?

[Kraagesh]

Started new game after release (done first act twice, and second act once before, pretty long time ago).
Stealth path now helps with 50% of boss health.
Done bossfight in first try. I used artifacts for max stamina and stamina regen, and main weapons was "drunken master" rifle (despite I'm not using alcohol) and "decapitator" sawed-off.
I used flame ammo with both - hoarded enough during first act. Rifle for boss and shotgun against wendigos.
It took me lots of running (from wendigos), 2 healing potions and 2 dynamyte sticks (one enough to kill wendigo if exploded right near him).
I'm not a pro, but it wasn't excruciatingly hard. A bit nervous when wooden platforms broke.

[Isundir Edelhert]

Originally posted by Storm:

Reading those comments (didn't played the game yet) I'm already scared about difficulty and level of time wasting annoyance. Is there even no difficulty levels like in almost any other game, so gamers like me can just enjoy exploration, story and occassional fights? :skyeooh:

There isn't much story, and exploration's only point is to get stronger to actually deal with the threat from enemies, from your comment it frankly sounds like you bought a game that doesn't really suit your tastes. As a newbie to the game I find it pretty challenging, I died 5 times so far and got a penalty to my exp gain as well as a near guaranteed chance to get bleed whenever an enemy hits me so I'm finding it pretty brutal. Enemies will two shot you and my deaths where from getting overwhelmed by a pack of enemies or from recklessness.

[samusisback]

i dont know, i got all the cursed item from the map and the game gave me a tip, then i did the boss fisrt try got 3 achievment for it, doing it, doing it without taking damage and doing it without destroying any buds, took me 3 or 4 golden shotgun shell to kill the boss, super easy fight to be honest

[Malsain]

I just watched a video from a year ago. There were no Wendigo spawns during that tree boss. Can the developers of the game explain this?

[Panda V4]

Both first and second bosses are easy as f*ck. I would say its a skill issue.

[samusisback]

Originally posted by Malsain:

I just watched a video from a year ago. There were no Wendigo spawns during that tree boss. Can the developers of the game explain this?

i didnt had them yesterday when i did it but maybe i just killed it too fast, the combat took about less than a minute

[ZloVeshiy PartiZaN]

The 1 boss is terribly stuffy. Thank God that I managed to kill him on the 1st attempt, but I had to suffer and spend almost all the bullets...

[alexUnder]

Originally posted by samusisback:

Originally posted by Malsain:

I just watched a video from a year ago. There were no Wendigo spawns during that tree boss. Can the developers of the game explain this?

i didnt had them yesterday when i did it but maybe i just killed it too fast, the combat took about less than a minute

Skill issue is gamedesign issue. The majority of players (of any game) are non-skilled and quite casual. Pure statistically. So if you as gamedev want to satisfy skilled players, then you really need to implement difficulties. As some good old Quake with its Easy, Norm & Hard. Otherwise you (as gamedev) have to stick to casual players. And for casuals the ch.1 boss fight now is VERY tough. Mostly because of vendingos. In enclosed space it's hard to beat them. I beat it but only on 7th run and it was annoying to run from Jim aaaaaaall the way down to boss cave, really annoying

I know there's niche games like Tarkov, Arma, etc which are hardcore right away. But that's a different thing - niche unusual gameы

Originally posted by Lord Nighthawk:

I don´t disbelieve, your tellings just don´t match my latest experience where is simply wrecked that tree with destroying all bags that where hanging at his roots. I never needed to teleport back up as the chapter always endet there for me. Have you really found and destroyed all these bags?

They changed designs. With all bags destroyed you just lower boss HP to 50% and must fight it anyway, stealth path now is not absolute alternative but a helper. It's not bad to be fair. Until now I never even played actual boss fight, so now no one would miss the tree. But they better add some magic teleporter to boss cave and not force to redestroy stealth-path seeds - yes, if you die all mobs & seeds of the stealth-path are respawning