I miss the kodiak

[marshaladmiralq]

I do not like the new Cruiser I much prefer the kodiak

[Dr. August]

Probably getting it in dlc

[Summanus]

Wait - so the Kodiak is missing as well? I knew about the 8 ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion (Corsev, Discord & Rankulas capital ships, 3 envoy ships and the 2 starbase constructors) but this is news to me.

Are there any other ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion other than those listed?

How many unique ships can each faction actually produce in Sins 2?

[Včelí medvídek]

Publicado originalmente por Summanus:

Wait - so the Kodiak is missing as well? I knew about the 8 ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion (Corsev, Discord & Rankulas capital ships, 3 envoy ships and the 2 starbase constructors) but this is news to me.

Are there any other ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion other than those listed?

How many unique ships can each faction actually produce in Sins 2?

No., there is exactly same TEC heavy cruiser as before. Idk what OP miss, maybe he do not like the model
https://www.stardock.com/sinsofasolarempire/sinsofasolarempire2/media/screenshots/ann/sinsII_ann_ss02.png

[Sasha Mason]

Publicado originalmente por Summanus:

Wait - so the Kodiak is missing as well? I knew about the 8 ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion (Corsev, Discord & Rankulas capital ships, 3 envoy ships and the 2 starbase constructors) but this is news to me.

Technically, you are missing the Advent and Vasari Trade Ships as well, as only TEC is able to trade now. Maybe also the refinery ships as refineries that boost resource output do not exist here anymore.

As for missing ships, https://i.imgur.com/amExX2r.png these are the ships that TEC can build.
I thought the one that my mouse hovers over was basically the evolved version of the Kodiak, different name but similar design.

[Bovril Brigadier]

People miss their bricks!

[Avenger93]

a note could be made that for the loss of the 3 envoys each faction got one new combat ships to play with. TEC get the Kalev railgun frigate, Vasari get the Vulrak Pentrator (giggity) the single handedly highest penetration weapon in game as it has 1000 penetration, the Advent get the Tempest, the oppressive early game missile spammer.

That said the rosters are reworked and what before might have been a frigate or cruiser is now the opposite. Illuminators and Javelis for example got promoted to cruiser role. The Solanus Adjudicator siege ship of the Advent has basically had it's role folded into the new Destra Crusader as the plasma spammer boat. The Defense Vessel is now a cruiser. The Cielo command cruiser is MIA, kodiak took growth pills and became the Harcka. The Junsurak Sentinel has been ... assimilated into the rest of the Vasari ships as now both their carrier and their primary frontline cruiser come with PD guns. Mine Layers are gone and the Severun and Stilakus classes have been replaced with a mobile factory ship that can produce frigates and corvettes anywhere it flies so you can reinforce on the fly. Vasari are also the only people to get two corvettes and have their corvettes be something other than light harassment units, as their corvettes now come in anti-strike-craft and phase missile roles.

[dolynick]

Publicado originalmente por Včelí medvídek:

Publicado originalmente por Summanus:

Wait - so the Kodiak is missing as well? I knew about the 8 ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion (Corsev, Discord & Rankulas capital ships, 3 envoy ships and the 2 starbase constructors) but this is news to me.

Are there any other ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion other than those listed?

How many unique ships can each faction actually produce in Sins 2?

No., there is exactly same TEC heavy cruiser as before. Idk what OP miss, maybe he do not like the model
https://www.stardock.com/sinsofasolarempire/sinsofasolarempire2/media/screenshots/ann/sinsII_ann_ss02.png

That screen shot is the Harcka. It replaces the Kodiak in the "heavy" role. I quote because roles are quite as defined in Sins 2 as they were in Rebellion. It's a tanky short-ranged ship with moderately high pierce. The Vasari also have a similar new "heavy" that replaces the old one.

And yes. I do actually miss the old heavy cruisers.

[Včelí medvídek]

Publicado originalmente por dolynick:

That screen shot is the Harcka. It replaces the Kodiak in the "heavy" role. I quote because roles are quite as defined in Sins 2 as they were in Rebellion. It's a tanky short-ranged ship with moderately high pierce. The Vasari also have a similar new "heavy" that replaces the old one.

New name, old ship, functionally it is same as it ever was.

[Sasha Mason]

Publicado originalmente por dolynick:

Publicado originalmente por Včelí medvídek:

No., there is exactly same TEC heavy cruiser as before. Idk what OP miss, maybe he do not like the model
https://www.stardock.com/sinsofasolarempire/sinsofasolarempire2/media/screenshots/ann/sinsII_ann_ss02.png

That screen shot is the Harcka. It replaces the Kodiak in the "heavy" role. I quote because roles are quite as defined in Sins 2 as they were in Rebellion. It's a tanky short-ranged ship with moderately high pierce. The Vasari also have a similar new "heavy" that replaces the old one.

And yes. I do actually miss the old heavy cruisers.

I mean if it weren't for people pointing it out, I would've thought this was still the Kodiak.
It looks like an evolved version of the Kodiak, still very similar design and role to the old ship.

[marshaladmiralq]

Publicado originalmente por Včelí medvídek:

Publicado originalmente por Summanus:

Wait - so the Kodiak is missing as well? I knew about the 8 ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion (Corsev, Discord & Rankulas capital ships, 3 envoy ships and the 2 starbase constructors) but this is news to me.

Are there any other ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion other than those listed?

How many unique ships can each faction actually produce in Sins 2?

No., there is exactly same TEC heavy cruiser as before. Idk what OP miss, maybe he do not like the model
https://www.stardock.com/sinsofasolarempire/sinsofasolarempire2/media/screenshots/ann/sinsII_ann_ss02.png

its not the kodiak

[TheSleepingLibrary]

Not the Kodiak, but fills the same role. Visually, the Harcka is a bit smaller (I think, might just be scale compared to everything else) and I think it's got a couple more guns on it.

I just spent a little time jumping between wikis and the Kodiak is slightly squishier (at least in terms of how stats worked in Sins 1) with 1650 effective HP versus the Harcka at 1850. There's no split between armor and hull in Sins 1, and that's HP for the Harcka without shield upgrades. Weapons wise it's harder to tell because I believe the equation for damage has been changed since Armor and Hull are separated. But the Harcka does benefit from not having its guns stuck forward facing. I remember Kodiaks have to turn to face targets in order to shoot while the Harcka (while it does like facing its targets) can shoot while turning to engage. I think Harckas also have faster fire rate, but that might be just because I was Propagandizing all over the place last time I played TEC.

Price comparison: Kodiak sits at 670 (500 credits, 100 metal, 70 crystal). 60 build time.
Harcka is 765 (550 credits, 165 metal, 55 crystal). 24 Build time.

Personally, I love the new design. It looks like a "Imma get in your face and shoot holes into you until one of us is dead" kind of ship. Kodiaks felt like slinging a brick at someone while Harckas feel more like throwing an very angry dog.

[Sasha Mason]

What I love about the new ship is the pirate variant of it. The top rear cannons are replaced with missile launchers. I don't know if Rebellion's pirate Kodiak boasted different armaments compared to the regular TEC version.

[travel]

Publicado originalmente por Summanus:

Wait - so the Kodiak is missing as well? I knew about the 8 ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion (Corsev, Discord & Rankulas capital ships, 3 envoy ships and the 2 starbase constructors) but this is news to me.

Are there any other ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion other than those listed?

How many unique ships can each faction actually produce in Sins 2?

the kodiak was replaced with an exact copy with a different name and a silly slightly racist unit voice over

[CptnCankles]

Publicado originalmente por travel:

Publicado originalmente por Summanus:

Wait - so the Kodiak is missing as well? I knew about the 8 ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion (Corsev, Discord & Rankulas capital ships, 3 envoy ships and the 2 starbase constructors) but this is news to me.

Are there any other ships that didn't make it in from Rebellion other than those listed?

How many unique ships can each faction actually produce in Sins 2?

the kodiak was replaced with an exact copy with a different name and a silly slightly racist unit voice over

Kodiak had a speed boost ability that the Harka lacks, but the Harka has four cannons.

And strongly disagree about any racial component to the voice overs. What an absolutely ridiculous comment.

[Queco Jones21]

Only thing I don't like so much about the TEC 'assault cruiser' (the new kodiak) is the massive gun turrets on it. It is essentially the same ship in function.