Clock Tower Puzzle alternative solution

[Shazzner]

Hi there, I made it to the clock tower and waited until 1:30.

I entered the times: 5:00, 6:00, 6:57, 6:58, 7:00, 8:00, 8:56, 9:00 which as far as I can tell satisfies all of the requirements. Unfortunately I stepped outside of the chamber wondering if something changed outside and the door closed on me forcing me to end the day. Very frustrating!

Unless I'm missing something this should be a valid solution?

Edit: I was wrong here is why:

Publicado originalmente por Forblaze:

red note: set this clock to a time containing all different numbers
red note means it's false, so the time it's set to can't be all different numbers
6:57 has no duplicate numbers

[The Grumpy Weasel]

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

I entered the times: 5:00, 6:00, 6:57, 6:58, 7:00, 8:00, 8:56, 9:00 which as far as I can tell satisfies all of the requirements. Unfortunately I stepped outside of the chamber wondering if something changed outside and the door closed on me forcing me to end the day. Very frustrating!

Wait. I do think the hint at the security room (red typed notes are false, blue notes are true, red written notes are true) applies. But I think there are contradictions of these requirements.

Ban digit 1, 2, 3, and 4. Exactly 5 on-the-times (exactly 5:00, 6:00, 7:00, 8:00 and 9:00). Ascending Order. The third and fifth from the left shall both contain a 7. The fifth one from the left must be on the clock. The seventh one is some reverse order of another clock.

This makes it pretty sure that the times are:
5:00, ???, 5:57, ???, 7:00, 8:00, ???, 9:00

Due to the ascending order limitation and the use of on-the-clock times, the fourth one must be 6:00. But should the second one be either 5:56 or 5:58, and the seventh one is the reverse of that, those circumstances contradict the ascending order requirement.

I do have missed something here to arrive in no solution.

Given that the ascending order rule is really ambiguous, I may have tried reversing the direction order.

And I arrived in one unique solution:
Staring from left in descending order: 9:00, 8:00, 7:57, 7:55, 7:00, 6:00, 5:57, 5:00

And this does not seem to be the correct answer. I really must have done something wrong here.

[Shazzner]

Publicado originalmente por The Grumpy Weasel:

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

I entered the times: 5:00, 6:00, 6:57, 6:58, 7:00, 8:00, 8:56, 9:00 which as far as I can tell satisfies all of the requirements. Unfortunately I stepped outside of the chamber wondering if something changed outside and the door closed on me forcing me to end the day. Very frustrating!

Wait. I do think the hint at the security room (red typed notes are false, blue notes are true, red written notes are true) applies. But I think there are contradictions of these requirements.

Ban digit 1, 2, 3, and 4. Exactly 5 on-the-times (exactly 5:00, 6:00, 7:00, 8:00 and 9:00). Ascending Order. The third and fifth from the left shall both contain a 7. The fifth one from the left must be on the clock. The seventh one is some reverse order of another clock.

This makes it pretty sure that the times are:
5:00, ???, 5:57, ???, 7:00, 8:00, ???, 9:00

Due to the ascending order limitation and the use of on-the-clock times, the fourth one must be 6:00. But should the second one be either 5:56 or 5:58, and the seventh one is the reverse of that, those circumstances contradict the ascending order requirement.

I do have missed something here to arrive in no solution.

In your case the second and next-to-last would be: 5:08 and 8:05 respectively, which I believe is the solution the game is looking for.

However, nothing that's been said in this thread invalidates my solution unless there is something woefully stupid I'm missing.

[The Grumpy Weasel]

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

In your case the second and next-to-last would be: 5:08 and 8:05 respectively, which I believe is the solution the game is looking for.

However, nothing that's been said in this thread invalidates my solution unless there is something woefully stupid I'm missing.

Ouch about not having thought of a :08...

I think you can stare more closely or use a magnifier at the note in the security room saying the red notes are false and blue notes are true. A small marginalia should say "unless written by hand".

[Shazzner]

Publicado originalmente por The Grumpy Weasel:

And I arrived in one unique solution:
Staring from left in descending order: 9:00, 8:00, 7:57, 7:55, 7:00, 6:00, 5:57, 5:00

And this does not seem to be the correct answer. I really must have done something wrong here.

I mean, this should work too given the rules (also nice job).

[Forblaze]

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

Publicado originalmente por Forblaze:

Clock #3 is invalid.

Can you put in spoiler tags how so?

red note: set this clock to a time containing all different numbers
red note means it's false, so the time it's set to can't be all different numbers
6:57 has no duplicate numbers

[Forblaze]

Publicado originalmente por The Grumpy Weasel:

And I arrived in one unique solution:
Staring from left in descending order: 9:00, 8:00, 7:57, 7:55, 7:00, 6:00, 5:57, 5:00

This is wrong because

They have to be ascending order. The red note on clock #8 is red, but it's handwritten. You can't just reverse your order here either because 7:00 is invalid for clock #3

[Shazzner]

Publicado originalmente por Forblaze:

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

Can you put in spoiler tags how so?

red note: set this clock to a time containing all different numbers
red note means it's false, so the time it's set to can't be all different numbers
6:57 has no duplicate numbers

Ah I suppose that makes sense, although in the game so far typed red notes haven't implicitly meant the opposite is true that I've found, like the safe code note in the conference room for example.

Thanks for clarifying though!

[Forblaze]

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

haven't implicitly meant the opposite is true

Just to be clear,

it does NOT mean that ALL numbers must be the same. It only means not all numbers are different.

[Shazzner]

I feel like the game has been a big ambiguous with this is `false therefore disregard it` and `this is false therefore the opposite is true`, but maybe that's just cope

[Forblaze]

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

I feel like the game has been a big ambiguous with this is `false therefore disregard it` and `this is false therefore the opposite is true`, but maybe that's just cope

I don't think it's ever suggested to disregard a red note. Red notes are false.

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

like the safe code note in the conference room for example.

Did a safe use one of those codes? I don't think I have those notes written down anywhere.

[Shazzner]

Publicado originalmente por Forblaze:

Did a safe use one of those codes? I don't think I have those notes written down anywhere.

No it did not, it's just a complete red herring and there is no logical falsey implication, therefore it is disregarded.

[Forblaze]

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

No it did not, it's just a complete red herring and there is no logical falsey implication, therefore it is disregarded.

So that tracks, then. A statement can be false outside of the context of an immediate puzzle.

[Shazzner]

Publicado originalmente por Forblaze:

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

No it did not, it's just a complete red herring and there is no logical falsey implication, therefore it is disregarded.

So that tracks, then. A statement can be false outside of the context of an immediate puzzle.

Right, as I said, there are two different contexts for the red notes and what is an immediate puzzle is not made clear in this game.

[Forblaze]

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

Right, as I said, there are two different contexts for the red notes and what is an immediate puzzle is not made clear in this game.

But there aren't two contexts. It's all the one context of the game. The red notes in the conference room notes *are* false. That's a fact that exists in the game. Obviously different information has different magnitudes of importance, but that you can draw a meaningful conclusion from it isn't ambiguous at all.

[Shazzner]

Publicado originalmente por Forblaze:

Publicado originalmente por Shazzner:

Right, as I said, there are two different contexts for the red notes and what is an immediate puzzle is not made clear in this game.

But there aren't two contexts. It's all the one context of the game. The red notes in the conference room notes *are* false. That's a fact that exists in the game. Obviously different information has different magnitudes of importance, but that you can draw a meaningful conclusion from it isn't ambiguous at all.

I really don't understand what you are arguing here. I'm talking about `falsey` (logical false, therefore the truth is the opposite of the given statement) and `false` (information that has no relevance). Two contexts and two different conclusions, and both are used interchangeably throughout the game.

Edit: Anyway, I can see what you're saying, but I feel like I've explained my thoughts sufficiently.