What I feel is super bad about game.

[Nonary Tetrabiblos]

I am currently on day 160 and still haven't been able to put the pump next to the boiler room, even when using 50 stars. And in 160 days, I have nothing to remove the boxes in the tunnel.
For further clarity, this is the case even when trying to run it through ducts. I am not stupid, so I don't appreciate the obvious below. The gear wrench never appears, and when it does, the boiler room never appears. I set the pool room to common (never see it).
- The pantry puzzle trophy
- The darts puzzle trophy (doing all the hard math and doing so even on day 160 when it appears—it’s so tedious)
- Created mathematics that follow their own rules.
- I have the Sweeper Stakes trophy for drafting.
- I have the Number 8 trophy.
- I have the blue tents (never been useful once). Sadly, I haven't bought all the library books and can never pull the bookshop.

I am fed up with having to recollect items every run, so fed up with not getting certain items every run.

You basically have to end the game in a break room for the keycard every run. And sadly, I accidentally made it rare before it turned into a break room. Conservatory has never dropped a conservatory to make it common.
Mirror rooms don't seem to drop rarer rooms like boiler or pool.

The game would be so much better if the following were true:
- Axe was infinite, so at least people had the sense of doing something when their RNG is crap. I can't solve half the game sanctum keys without the boiler room and pump next to each other (with or without ducts) or clearing the tunnel. I can't use the secret bookcase in the outer room, and doing the chess piece to change to rook or king is the only thing I can actually do for something new currently.- I have no idea how to get the data online to upgrade the lab. I have all 5 permanent upgrades: blue tent, black grotto, etc., and my allowance is at, like, 31 a day. I cannot get the freezer or anything to melt it in the same runs, either. And I am fed up with having to re-get my master key and gem thing from the shop.

- Space is so limited in the closet; it’s so annoying to have to recollect things. Can we, for the love of God, have a closet that can store 2 items or at least have the closet sometimes mirrored so we can store more than 1 item?


The closet can store 1 item per turn, but can take out any number—this would be a brilliant fix because then, at least, you could stockpile items for "1 good run."

I have all seven red letters.
I have every find able blueprint except room 46 hasn't appeared as a blueprint despite me having been to the room. Not sure if it's a glitch or because it's not the true room 46 found by using the secret bookcase outside with distilled water from the dynamite room.
As said, it’s annoying knowing what to do but being unable to do it due to RNG. To be honest adding these rooms to the pool is a mistake , but new rooms have upgrade disks etc quite often meaning i needed them for aquarium chance.

Never getting the aquarium power upgrade, etc., really ruins the game. Upgrade disks shouldn't be random; the player should be allowed to select them like they do with the axe. If I had my way, upgrade disks and the axe would be infinite and would do things like adding one item for standard rooms or fixed items for certain rooms—for example, a keycard is always found in the East Hall.

Upgrade disks should come with room modifiers to add new doors to rooms. Also, an upstairs is needed—for example, a multi-layered house going up and down as well as 4 directions—this would add a lot to the game, as well as additional knobs and stuff to go down layers in secret passages or up layers.

Secret passages, in my opinion, should always take you to a new tile somewhere in the house, not just be a straight-line tile.

Honestly, once you've found the conservatory to change room rarities, it should allow you to change every single one—or it should be permanent, like the foundry—and there should be an option for "never after rare."


Having to collect stars just to spend them trying to get a decent run is awful. The laundry room doesn't convert your stars or allowance around either or convert cash to stars. It’s honestly a super useless room. If it had the ability to upgrade your equipment (cough moon pendant) or the ability to let you choose 2 buildings on your next run that would be built next to each other for no gem cost, that would be good.
Alternatively, why can't the shrine allow you to choose a room that becomes temporarily permanent inside the house itself? For example, if a room is drafted, you can mark it from your map, and that room stays where it is next run for the next X days for however long the shrine upgrade lasts. It’s not hard to do.

I am so fed up with the RNG. Can anyone tell me if the royal scepter ever interacts with the moon pendant and the break room end-of-day thing? Because I want to begin a run one day with the moon protecting itself and gem/master card, closet with gem/master card, and a security card. Because if the royal scepter takes up the moon pendant slot or the break room card takes up the moon pendant slot, I will be so upset.
So far, the blue tent has done nothing for me.


So besides upgrading what type of lab experiments, draining water, doing the throne room outside, redoing chess twice, waiting for something to help with the freezer room (almost never spawns, and I only need it to get its upgrade disk), doing sanctum, watering in the library, and sigils and the maze from the secret passage outside (that doesn't work till you've unlocked the blue room by having the 3 royal pieces), Tomb second sequence, and upgrading lab experiments (no idea how to do this one and it's the most important and it’s really annoying me)—going to Black Grotto at 1:30, chess piece place at 1:30—what else is there to do?
As said, the RNG is so bad, I can't remove the boxes in the tunnel, and I can't get the boiler room and pump in 160 days of play. There is nothing to solve.

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[PersonalC0ffee]

Why are you trying to get them NEXT to each other? Just run the power from other rooms connected to the ducts! Now you're not guaranteed this but my god stop making it harder than it needs to be.

[kumorikuma]

Some rooms have ducts above them that run power through it (most red rooms do). If you turn on the boiler room power and then draw rooms towards the exit that is powered, there's a special animation and bonus that makes it easier for you to connect rooms. If you wrench Boiler Room to Common, it should be straightforward to connect it to everything. Also btw if you connect power to Laundry, it will allow advanced conversions.

[packy17]

you are on day 160 and don't know you can use vents to connect power to rooms?

[cheshire.panther]

Originally posted by packy17:

you are on day 160 and don't know you can use vents to connect power to rooms?

It's still very difficult to connect boler room to the lab even with the vents. Hell, i had struggles even using electric aquariums as a backup. The op annoyence is justified.

OP, it will get worse. Much, much, MUCH worse.

[bell jar]

put on some tv and embrace the rng (but definitely power on the boiler room and point it towards the door you want to open for better luck) (and use dice/use the study)

[PersonalC0ffee]

Originally posted by cheshire.panther:

Originally posted by packy17:

you are on day 160 and don't know you can use vents to connect power to rooms?

It's still very difficult to connect boler room to the lab even with the vents. Hell, i had struggles even using electric aquariums as a backup. The op annoyence is justified.

OP, it will get worse. Much, much, MUCH worse.

Nope this is piss easy, I did it on day 5. I can prove it. You draft boiler first and turn on the power. The rooms you draft from the powered door, are more likely to synergize and link up.

Boiler to Pump room is much harder IMO. I'm currently doing this in my save.

If you drafted all the rooms with vents prior to the boiler, you're screwed.

[Nonary Tetrabiblos]

Of course i do packy 17 , the vents never align either.... And i once used 50 stars to try and do it.... , 15 times in a row by force quiting game without saving. And to coffee i have tried to run it from different rooms as well... If i had elecrtical ells it would have be done long ago..... but no upgrade disks are random... and ciel for god sakes i mentioned the landry upgrade and doing it once and saying it was basically trash and not working right changing 2 allowance for 2 stars for 5 coins but only once per time? , how can that help me its just trash , all the landry stuff is.

[PersonalC0ffee]

Originally posted by Nonary Tetrabiblos:

Of course i do packy 17 , the vents never align either.... And i once used 50 stars to try and do it.... , 15 times in a row by force quiting game without saving. And to coffee i have tried to run it from different rooms as well... If i had elecrtical ells it would have be done long ago..... but no upgrade disks are random... and ciel for god sakes i mentioned the landry upgrade and doing it once and saying it was basically trash and not working right changing 2 allowance for 2 stars for 5 coins but only once per time? , how can that help me its just trash , all the landry stuff is.

Laundry is great, the heck? It literally saved one of my runs.

[br00f]

Originally posted by Nonary Tetrabiblos:

Of course i do packy 17 , the vents never align either.... And i once used 50 stars to try and do it.... , 15 times in a row by force quiting game without saving. And to coffee i have tried to run it from different rooms as well... If i had elecrtical ells it would have be done long ago..... but no upgrade disks are random... and ciel for god sakes i mentioned the landry upgrade and doing it once and saying it was basically trash and not working right changing 2 allowance for 2 stars for 5 coins but only once per time? , how can that help me its just trash , all the landry stuff is.

laundry is one of the strongest rooms in the game lol

[PersonalC0ffee]

Originally posted by br00f:

Originally posted by Nonary Tetrabiblos:

Of course i do packy 17 , the vents never align either.... And i once used 50 stars to try and do it.... , 15 times in a row by force quiting game without saving. And to coffee i have tried to run it from different rooms as well... If i had elecrtical ells it would have be done long ago..... but no upgrade disks are random... and ciel for god sakes i mentioned the landry upgrade and doing it once and saying it was basically trash and not working right changing 2 allowance for 2 stars for 5 coins but only once per time? , how can that help me its just trash , all the landry stuff is.

laundry is one of the strongest rooms in the game lol

Once you power it, right?

[br00f]

make sure to draft a Pool so Pump Room is available.
plenty of rooms have ducts on the ceiling, connecting power to adjacent rooms.
drafting from a powered room increases your chances of drawing a room that can use power.

[br00f]

Originally posted by PersonalC0ffee:

Originally posted by br00f:

laundry is one of the strongest rooms in the game lol

Once you power it, right?

even if its not powered you can cheese your run with a high enough allowance and a Study

[PersonalC0ffee]

Originally posted by br00f:

Originally posted by PersonalC0ffee:

Once you power it, right?

even if its not powered you can cheese your run with a high enough allowance and a Study

I didn't think about this!

[Nonary Tetrabiblos]

Broof the laundry star treatment is trash , I have no need for money now outside of paying the shrine dude or recollecting my gem thing from showroom so i don't pay out gems for rerolls using study. Previously in the demo you could trade 200 gold coins for 200 star spins.... I believe. I have tried using DUCTS god , you treating me like a moron i don't apprechiate it. - If you can't answer my real questions about the royal spetre, secrutiy card in break room and moon pendant interaction while carrying just the royal sceptor, master key/ gem payment no more item , and moon neckless or the question about upgrading lab then , its not helpful at all. - I have used my 50 stars , like 17 times in a row to try and get ducts to connect boiler rooms and pumps etc. It just doesn't happen like ever on the ps5. 30 allowance = 25 gems or 25 keys okay laundry room is okay but hardly game breaking when you have master key and gem bunckale every run , its only basically useful for the gem re-rolls if you get a study but thats 2 very specfic dead ends , both of which are RARE. So yeah.

[Varsoon]

Hey, it's another thread where someone fundamentally doesn't understand how to interact with the game, then treats advice on how to interact with the game as being treated like a moron.

At this point, it's a wonder how this game has managed to filter so many people.

Anyway, Draft a Pool so that Pump can show up.
(Optionally Draft either a Study or a 50+ Star Observatory for lots of re-rolls)
Draft a Boiler Room.
Power up a line that connects to an exit from that boiler room that leads to a series of empty squares in your Estate.
Draft on that powered line and only pick rooms that carry the power (the UI will indicate this to you) until you get the Pump Room. You can reroll this with aforementioned rerolls.

If you have Castle or Scepter, you can use either to push more Blue Rooms into play over other options.
If you have Conservatory, you can lower the rarity of other rooms (such as Study), but it picks a random 3 rooms every time, so I don't suggest relying on this route.

The game doesn't allow infinite axe uses or total control over the conservatory for many of the same problems you have here--those would become massive gates towards rendering the game far easier and then you'd have people complaining that they never, in 160 days, got the Axe or the Conservatory.

Anyway, hope that helps, and if it doesn't, well, I hope that you get lucky. You're not a moron, the game can just be impenetrable at times and relying solely on RNG is a path that ends in frustration. Keep at it, or don't, but godspeed either way.