Any hints on why Hoppy & Bitter develops ?

[BonPadre]

Second time now that I brew a beer where none of my cereals have that, none of my yeast have that, none of my hop (if even any have that flavor, which I don't think so) have it, and yet, poof magically seems to happen whenever I'm boiling my mash.

Seems to also be pretty relevant to the topic of the job "magic number" since you are able to select grain that has no flavors and you can have hops with only 3 flavors, and a yeast that matches the grain main caracteristics... and yet for that magic number job, seems that the main way to do it is to actually not brew a.... beer... yeah right.

bugged game mechanic ? or something I may do wrong ?

[Liquid Electron]

Hops are always hoppy and bitter, that's what they do.

[Ferrous]

Originally posted by LiquidElectron:

Hops are always hoppy and bitter, that's what they do.

not completely correct. (but close)

When hops is "dissolved" and boiled for over ~5 minutes, it will start bittering your wort and lose all other flavors. If overboiled the wort will lose all the flavors from hops except or bitter and hoppy

Dry hopping, that is "dissolving" hops without boiling your wort/beer, does not grant bitterness

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Ferrous:

not completely correct. (but close)

When hops is "dissolved" and boiled for over ~5 minutes, it will start bittering your wort and lose all other flavors. If overboiled the wort will lose all the flavors from hops except or bitter and hoppy

Dry hopping, that is "dissolving" hops without boiling your wort/beer, does not grant bitterness

Thanks for the detail Ferrous. So before I try hard to do something impossible. Can you actually brew a beer while using hop and avoiding getting that ?
Like letting hop rest in cold wort after boiling ? (in game I mean, as I understand that's dry hoping used IRL, but is that simulated in game as well ?)

or that's why you use only the spices ? when you need to limt the falvors numbers.

[Ferrous]

Originally posted by BonPadre:

Originally posted by Ferrous:

not completely correct. (but close)

When hops is "dissolved" and boiled for over ~5 minutes, it will start bittering your wort and lose all other flavors. If overboiled the wort will lose all the flavors from hops except or bitter and hoppy

Dry hopping, that is "dissolving" hops without boiling your wort/beer, does not grant bitterness

Thanks for the detail Ferrous. So before I try hard to do something impossible. Can you actually brew a beer while using hop and avoiding getting that ?
Like letting hop rest in cold wort after boiling ?

or that's why you use only the spices ? when you need to limt the falvors numbers.

Correct, hops flavor is boil-duration-dependent, thats why I advocated for the use of spices, whose flavor will not go away.

You totally CAN brew a normal beer and pass the magic number job. I would suggest using a three note hop with high note numbers (Troeh works), and use a lot of it (2 bags of 100 gram each for a small beer), and boil for only 5 minutes. Doing that with noteless grain(American Pilsner) with noteless yeast (So-cal ale), and you should be fine

[Ferrous]

And yes, dry hopping is simulated

[BonPadre]

Ok again big thanks. Starting to get it.
I already had found "by myself" the fact to add the hop for short time to get high flavors (as this is mentionned in the brewpedia or from Jeff's tips can't recall when I have seen that), but I guess what I totally missed was to NOT add that long time small hop amount, and that 5 minute mark to avoid bitter & hoppy.

In my mind, all flavors where only the ones actually listed on the flavors note of the hop. Thus the "unexpected" Bitter & Hoppy appearing misunderstanding.