Hop cooking time

[Big Jim]

one question, does the first hop have to stay in the container for 50min or 60min? because in the end I have to take out both hops at the same time.

[Angry Trash]

For most recipes it's 40 minutes + an additional 10 after your second hop for a TOTAL of 50. Some recipes specify taking it out later than this (such as the Gose) which makes it 60, but in general it's 50

[Big Jim]

Thanks, I first used 40 minutes, then 10 minutes, but I wasn't sure because the beer match was often less than 80%. Then I got everything right.

[Ferrous]

I actually find that following the recipe means you won't hit the flavor numbers. and just putting it in for 20 minutes total seems to work better
(first set of hops in, wait 10 minutes, second set goes in, wait another 10 minutes, remove everything and chill)

[Who Shat My Pants?]

Originally posted by Ferrous:

I actually find that following the recipe means you won't hit the flavor numbers. and just putting it in for 20 minutes total seems to work better
(first set of hops in, wait 10 minutes, second set goes in, wait another 10 minutes, remove everything and chill)

Yeah, after about 10-15 minutes, a lot of the hops start showing NEGATIVE flavor notes - maybe the "physics" showing their used up? Couldn't be another bug....right? Right?

[Ferrous]

Originally posted by Who Shat My Pants?:

Originally posted by Ferrous:

I actually find that following the recipe means you won't hit the flavor numbers. and just putting it in for 20 minutes total seems to work better
(first set of hops in, wait 10 minutes, second set goes in, wait another 10 minutes, remove everything and chill)

Yeah, after about 10-15 minutes, a lot of the hops start showing NEGATIVE flavor notes - maybe the "physics" showing their used up? Couldn't be another bug....right? Right?

Nah, that is by design, the idea is if you over boil flavors get turned into IBUs.

[Who Shat My Pants?]

Originally posted by Ferrous:

Originally posted by Who Shat My Pants?:

Yeah, after about 10-15 minutes, a lot of the hops start showing NEGATIVE flavor notes - maybe the "physics" showing their used up? Couldn't be another bug....right? Right?

Nah, that is by design, the idea is if you over boil flavors get turned into IBUs.

Pretty sure it's happening with hops that are in recipes for the 50 minute boiling as well, but I'll have to check. Turned into IBUs? Pfffffttt, have the "wonderful" miracles of science - counterflow and block chillers, IBUs are DESTROYED! Oh...wait, beer should have some bitterness.... Just love them bugs!

[Big Jim]

10 min + 10 min was the solution; Have 97% agreement

[ಠ_ಠ]

60 minutes total. You add the first charge at the beginning of the boil, and add the second charge at 10 minutes left in the boil (after 50 minutes have elapsed). I am a homebrewer, and 60 minute boils are the norm. I've never head of someone shooting for a 50 minute boil. I've heard of 30 minutes (sacrificing efficiency), I've heard of 90 minutes, or even two hours (concentrating the wort, and potentially seeking Maillard reactions), but not 50.


The way they word the steps in confusing, and isn't the normal shorthand used by homebrewers, but it's written more like how one would cook. If a recipe said to boil your stew for 50 minutes, then add the final ingredient and boil for 10 minutes, would you only boil for 50 total minutes? No. Or for example with a frozen lasagna. It says to cook covered for 50 minutes, then uncover and cook for 10. Would you uncover the lasagna after 40 minutes, then cook it for 10 for a total of 50? No, the total would be 60.

[ParaMan]

Originally posted by ಠ_ಠ:

60 minutes total. You add the first charge at the beginning of the boil, and add the second charge at 10 minutes left in the boil (after 50 minutes have elapsed). I am a homebrewer, and 60 minute boils are the norm. I've never head of someone shooting for a 50 minute boil. I've heard of 30 minutes (sacrificing efficiency), I've heard of 90 minutes, or even two hours (concentrating the wort, and potentially seeking Maillard reactions), but not 50.


The way they word the steps in confusing, and isn't the normal shorthand used by homebrewers, but it's written more like how one would cook. If a recipe said to boil your stew for 50 minutes, then add the final ingredient and boil for 10 minutes, would you only boil for 50 total minutes? No. Or for example with a frozen lasagna. It says to cook covered for 50 minutes, then uncover and cook for 10. Would you uncover the lasagna after 40 minutes, then cook it for 10 for a total of 50? No, the total would be 60.

That's how I interpret it as well

[skeeder]

I've tried the 40 min and 10 min VS the 10 min and 10 min hops boil and they both ended up almost the same. It doesn't make much sense to me.

[ಠ_ಠ]

Originally posted by skeeder:

I've tried the 40 min and 10 min VS the 10 min and 10 min hops boil and they both ended up almost the same. It doesn't make much sense to me.

This is because even in real life, at the volumes we deal with as homebrewers, 10 minutes doesn't make an huge difference. On my personal brewing system, skipping 10 minutes will result in about 2% lower original gravity, and about 2.5% less IBUs from the 60 minute bittering charge.

It makes a difference on high gravity or high IBU beers, but it's most often going to be imperceptible.

[Big Jim]

the exposure time of the hops changes the IBU value. At a job I had to reach a certain IBU value. If the hops were specified in the recipe, I would never have done the job. And then X-ray vision helped me to get the right values.

[Big Jim]

the end product is only of interest for the fulfillment of the job. I would not drink or recommend this sewage sludge.