Kirito, Kirito and don't forget about Kirito

[Shiro]

I understand that SAO authors are in love with Kirito but it would be nice to have an option to create your own character again.
SAO: Fatal Bullet is still my favorite
I hope we can at least get a character creation like in SAO AL

[Shadowfox]

Originally posted by Greyshm:

Originally posted by Succubus Nirriti:

Character Creation is an integral part of immersion (for those who care about that (I do)).

Then why do you play japanese RPGs then? Very FEW of them even have character creation.

because some do weird question

[Succubus Nirriti]

Originally posted by Greyshm:

Originally posted by Succubus Nirriti:

Character Creation is an integral part of immersion (for those who care about that (I do)).

Then why do you play japanese RPGs then? Very FEW of them even have character creation.

Because if you play "western" RPGs its boring, UGLY. Women all have squared jawline to comply with the commiefornya-nya ideology. Also Ubisoft/Activision/Blizzard = hard pass. If you cant vote with your wallet, theyll never learn from their arrogance.

Lets see...
SAO (Most of their games allow CC.), Code Vein (one of my favorite game ever, and char looks good), FFXI, FFXIV, CLADUN, CLADUN X2, NIOH 2 (one of my favorites too), etc. I could go on but itll be pointless given the stance you already took, so at this point im more writing this for others.

[mademan2]

Agreed. Havnt touched SAO since fatal bullet and this wont be an exception. I enjoy the universe and some of the characters, a proper mmo like game in this universe where you can create your character and just go on an adventure outside of Kirito would be great, neither Fatal Bullet nor Integral Factor are particularly great but they are a much better experience than the other SAO games just on the basis that you can play as your character, even if Kirito is just shoehorned into everything you do regardless.

Tbh I never got the writers obsession with this incredibly boring character, I never even got the impression he is overtly liked, even in japan, he is generally more accepted there but he is very much made fun of in the west. I know that some people will argue to the death about how complex and well writte he is later on, but simple fact is that I dont care to find out.

Anyway, yea, I agree, Ill keep an eye out for the games till we get something I want to try again, but that will likely never happen. Do these games actually sell that well tho? I havnt heard much good about Lycoris but its been getting updates and dlcs etc for a long time so I assume they must be popular at least in japan.

[Shizuna]

Originally posted by mademan2:

Agreed. Havnt touched SAO since fatal bullet and this wont be an exception. I enjoy the universe and some of the characters, a proper mmo like game in this universe where you can create your character and just go on an adventure outside of Kirito would be great, neither Fatal Bullet nor Integral Factor are particularly great but they are a much better experience than the other SAO games just on the basis that you can play as your character, even if Kirito is just shoehorned into everything you do regardless.

Tbh I never got the writers obsession with this incredibly boring character, I never even got the impression he is overtly liked, even in japan, he is generally more accepted there but he is very much made fun of in the west. I know that some people will argue to the death about how complex and well writte he is later on, but simple fact is that I dont care to find out.

Anyway, yea, I agree, Ill keep an eye out for the games till we get something I want to try again, but that will likely never happen. Do these games actually sell that well tho? I havnt heard much good about Lycoris but its been getting updates and dlcs etc for a long time so I assume they must be popular at least in japan.

He isn't more ''Liked'' kirito and asuna are most popular sao characters, the people hating on kirito is mostly the minority.

[vkobe]

Originally posted by mademan2:

Agreed. Havnt touched SAO since fatal bullet and this wont be an exception. I enjoy the universe and some of the characters, a proper mmo like game in this universe where you can create your character and just go on an adventure outside of Kirito would be great, neither Fatal Bullet nor Integral Factor are particularly great but they are a much better experience than the other SAO games just on the basis that you can play as your character, even if Kirito is just shoehorned into everything you do regardless.

Tbh I never got the writers obsession with this incredibly boring character, I never even got the impression he is overtly liked, even in japan, he is generally more accepted there but he is very much made fun of in the west. I know that some people will argue to the death about how complex and well writte he is later on, but simple fact is that I dont care to find out.

Anyway, yea, I agree, Ill keep an eye out for the games till we get something I want to try again, but that will likely never happen. Do these games actually sell that well tho? I havnt heard much good about Lycoris but its been getting updates and dlcs etc for a long time so I assume they must be popular at least in japan.

they just follow same path with cold steeel and rean

or neptunia with neptune

[NisseDood]

Originally posted by Succubus Nirriti:

Originally posted by Greyshm:

Then why do you play japanese RPGs then? Very FEW of them even have character creation.

Because if you play "western" RPGs its boring, UGLY. Women all have squared jawline to comply with the commiefornya-nya ideology. Also Ubisoft/Activision/Blizzard = hard pass. If you cant vote with your wallet, theyll never learn from their arrogance.

Lets see...
SAO (Most of their games allow CC.), Code Vein (one of my favorite game ever, and char looks good), FFXI, FFXIV, CLADUN, CLADUN X2, NIOH 2 (one of my favorites too), etc. I could go on but itll be pointless given the stance you already took, so at this point im more writing this for others.

Just play Pathfinder: Kingmaker/Wrath of the righteous.
Peak rpgs.

Originally posted by vkobe:

they just follow same path with cold steeel and rean

or neptunia with neptune

Rip Trail series.
Loved Sky and Crossbell to death but cold steel forever soured the series for me so I have no hype for it anymore.

[Thine Very Own, Nemesis~]

Originally posted by AlexnChaos:

Originally posted by Greyshm:

Being a prick, as you put it, is not at all what Kirito's character is.
a prick is akin to an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Kirito is anything but that. He'd be an antihero if he was a prick, and well, he definitely isn't an antihero.

Honestly at this point I'm just putting it down to envy of the guy lol they can't even come up with actual reasons they dislike him and just make stuff up lol now if it was Abridged Kirito sure, he's a prick a massive one, but people seem to like him lol

Funny enough
The Abridged Kirito is a very honest character even though he's insufferable it's endearing
alot of that is because of his flaws as a character that leave him room to grow


Regular Kirito felt horribly fake like everything he did never really felt sincere
He's got a holier than thou attitude and a superiority complex that rides the line of god
His character flaws are rarely explored or even shown in a negative light
the only thing I personally think is hilarious is his ability to passively charm every female
he ever comes across with little actual effort

I practically died laughing in the PSO2 crossover when the player is actually given the choice
to join his harem instead of spending time with that games female protagonist
it's significantly funnier when your character is also female XD

but yea regular Kirito's just written so consistently poorly in the early seasons
that he's just unsalvageable for most people

[Thine Very Own, Nemesis~]

Originally posted by Greyshm:

Originally posted by Succubus Nirriti:

Character Creation is an integral part of immersion (for those who care about that (I do)).

Then why do you play japanese RPGs then? Very FEW of them even have character creation.

Because when you do play a game that does it right
It's some of the best video games as a whole have to offer

I highly suggest AoT2 just for how it handles the idea of a create a character
in an already established narrative

it's so darn well done that it probably should be studied as a baseline for the concept
Create a Characters can be a part of a world with their own hopes, dreams and grudges
be impressive in that world but also be able to fail in the grander narrative

[mademan2]

Originally posted by vkobe:

Originally posted by mademan2:

Agreed. Havnt touched SAO since fatal bullet and this wont be an exception. I enjoy the universe and some of the characters, a proper mmo like game in this universe where you can create your character and just go on an adventure outside of Kirito would be great, neither Fatal Bullet nor Integral Factor are particularly great but they are a much better experience than the other SAO games just on the basis that you can play as your character, even if Kirito is just shoehorned into everything you do regardless.

Tbh I never got the writers obsession with this incredibly boring character, I never even got the impression he is overtly liked, even in japan, he is generally more accepted there but he is very much made fun of in the west. I know that some people will argue to the death about how complex and well writte he is later on, but simple fact is that I dont care to find out.

Anyway, yea, I agree, Ill keep an eye out for the games till we get something I want to try again, but that will likely never happen. Do these games actually sell that well tho? I havnt heard much good about Lycoris but its been getting updates and dlcs etc for a long time so I assume they must be popular at least in japan.

they just follow same path with cold steeel and rean

or neptunia with neptune

Yea, I know, I adored Trails, but Cold Steel just ruined the series for me, more or less. At least Kuro is good, but having 5 games of Rean has irrevocably damaged my enjoyment of the series.

[mademan2]

Originally posted by Shizuna:

Originally posted by mademan2:

Agreed. Havnt touched SAO since fatal bullet and this wont be an exception. I enjoy the universe and some of the characters, a proper mmo like game in this universe where you can create your character and just go on an adventure outside of Kirito would be great, neither Fatal Bullet nor Integral Factor are particularly great but they are a much better experience than the other SAO games just on the basis that you can play as your character, even if Kirito is just shoehorned into everything you do regardless.

Tbh I never got the writers obsession with this incredibly boring character, I never even got the impression he is overtly liked, even in japan, he is generally more accepted there but he is very much made fun of in the west. I know that some people will argue to the death about how complex and well writte he is later on, but simple fact is that I dont care to find out.

Anyway, yea, I agree, Ill keep an eye out for the games till we get something I want to try again, but that will likely never happen. Do these games actually sell that well tho? I havnt heard much good about Lycoris but its been getting updates and dlcs etc for a long time so I assume they must be popular at least in japan.

He isn't more ''Liked'' kirito and asuna are most popular sao characters, the people hating on kirito is mostly the minority.

Thats hardly surprising tho, he is the main character, she is the main girl and they are the main couple. Kirito is also a generic self insert character, and Asuna is one of the most popular anime girls out there so yea, of course they are popular.

He is also pretty much the only male character with any actual screentime untill Lycoris comes around and even then, they get rid of the other guy.

Not to mention, these sort of bland self inserts are popular in japan, just look at any FE poll, Robin, Corrin, Byleth (all of which I do like), hell even Alear(whom I dont like) are always near, or at the top of the popularity polls, and they are silent protagonists, bar Alear and they have really strong cast of characters to compete with. If only Kirito was also a silent protagonist....

What I mean to say, Kirito being "popular" on polls, mostly filled with the most eager and hardcore fans of the series in the first place, doesnt equate him to be a likeable, much less a well written character, especially when there is little to no actual opposition, just a self insert.

I honestly couldnt care about Kirito, if he is in the game I can just ignore him, but I do care about him being MC of every game. His character has nowhere to go, nothing to do, the game is severely limited with him being the MC yet has all the potential in the world to be explored with other stories and other characters.

Like I said, Fatal Bullet is my favorite and it was the most well sold one, at least outside of japan if I remember correctly, it was even somwhere around a million units, which is very significant, none of the other games reached remotely that high, so it only makes sense for them to branch out. Frankly its really stupid that they dont.

[Kiritsuna]

Originally posted by vkobe:

Originally posted by Shiro:

I understand that SAO authors are in love with Kirito but it would be nice to have an option to create your own character again.
SAO: Fatal Bullet is still my favorite
I hope we can at least get a character creation like in SAO AL

sorry dude but it is is jrpg

on cold steel we are stuck with rean schwarzer

on neptunia it is bewteen neptune or nepgear

Rean is great, maybe it's because CS were my first Kiseki games, but I think he is a great character, the only reason some people hate him is because the writers decided to make the game a "choose your waifu", when clearly their original goal was to have Alisa and Rean together (which started disappearing with every new CS entry).
That said... Estelle is hands down the bet protagonist the series had, she has it all, and in only 2 games she got as much development it took Rean 4 games, and Lloyd 3 games (counting Reverie)
As for Neptune I only have love for her, she is one of my favorite characters

[AlexnChaos]

Eh, Estelle made me want to reach through the screen and slap her honestly, and Rean/Alisa was honestly the least believable match up possible, including Rean/Crow lol, I'll admit I tend towards matching Rean up with Towa or Emma when I play, mostly because you can't match him up with the Princess and his adoptive sister lol, yes, both at the same time

[Resoula]

I am also in love with Kirito. I hope that they do not listen to you, unless they are capable of providing both of us with our preferences.

[Twilight]

All I got from this is "We hate Kirito because we don't have the ability to actually pay attention" like honestly Kirito isn't poorly written in any way if you want to blame something blame the anime for skipping every piece of important facts and notes about Kirito, the mary sue excuse is annoying as you complain but have never used your brain to figure out why he is so strong and just ignore the fact that he spent hours fighting one singular enemy type just to figure out it's weakness and the fastest yet safest way to eliminate them, you also ignore the fact that Kirito was not the only person to acquire a unique skill there were others too, Kirito's defiance to death vs Heathcliff was all part of Heathcliffs plan, to find someone who's will can defy the system itself, which that lead all the way to Alicization with the incarnate system, that Kirito spent his 2 years studying, and the reason for his instant change in power after awakening was because he defeated Quinella, and his will managed to yet again fight a battle that should be impossible, think if you witnessed someone you cared insanely about die in front of you and that feeling got times by 100 and hell even then Eugeo's memories he left in his sword had to save his ass 3 times, also understanding the Perfect Weapon control art of The Night Sky Sword is important as all of the life and power absorbed by it flows into Kirito and during his fight with AoD he absorbed all the hopes and wishes of all the souls, Kirito grew from someone who shut himself away from everyone to someone who became a figure for many, his main issue is that he is selfless, and how people call him a prick is ridiculous and simply delusional as that's the last thing he is.

[Twilight]

Originally posted by mademan2:

Agreed. Havnt touched SAO since fatal bullet and this wont be an exception. I enjoy the universe and some of the characters, a proper mmo like game in this universe where you can create your character and just go on an adventure outside of Kirito would be great, neither Fatal Bullet nor Integral Factor are particularly great but they are a much better experience than the other SAO games just on the basis that you can play as your character, even if Kirito is just shoehorned into everything you do regardless.

Tbh I never got the writers obsession with this incredibly boring character, I never even got the impression he is overtly liked, even in japan, he is generally more accepted there but he is very much made fun of in the west. I know that some people will argue to the death about how complex and well writte he is later on, but simple fact is that I dont care to find out.

Anyway, yea, I agree, Ill keep an eye out for the games till we get something I want to try again, but that will likely never happen. Do these games actually sell that well tho? I havnt heard much good about Lycoris but its been getting updates and dlcs etc for a long time so I assume they must be popular at least in japan.

Hate to tell you but in Japan Kirito is incredibly loved, because they don't only follow the anime they read the LN, people in the west take the piss out of him because they are sheep and will do whatever the herd does, hell people find characters like Gojo and Tanjiro well written and loved characters, the real hate in the west goes to Kirito because "He looks like a stereotypical Isekai mc, despite being the first in that style, so Kirito must be loved in Japan otherwise many writers wouldn't use and base many other characters on him.