Death Penaldy. Isnt it to high?

[Isdren]

I cant help myself. But i find the death penaldy is absurd.
You play 1 1/2h and then lose everything you farmed, your equipment and operative because you die while defending on the extraction map.

i dont have a problem with death penaldys in general, but this one is just to high.
the amount of "time" you lose if you play a Tour and not autoloot every map and then lose eveything is a fun killer.

Maybe im wrong, im still on the third map difficulty 3 and had my first kill on Kronos (that insane big mech that shoots trillions of rockets) so i dont have everything unlocked (i think) but anyway thats not the point.

Whats your take on the death penaldy in this game?

[StellarSkys]

except you can insure all your gear on the off chance you do die while at base, and can buy back your dead operator making the entire death mute. if anything i think dying is redundant and would prefer the safeties for it removed personally.

[Deathspider12]

Its alright, if you yourself know that you CAN'T WIN the full wave, then just pick what you REALY want and get a easier end wave.

[baddoggs]

I have not bought the game yet but, one thing stood out for
me in the promo vids.. Risk/reward management. Seems to be a big
part of the game.

[✵АУЕ АНАСТАС✵]

alt f4 is king

[Morbius]

Yeh i'm not a fan of the death penalty, unlike most it i do like to manual loot, maximizing my material and energy return from each area, i can loot most nodes within a tour, filling the recovery box with each map.
The other day i was one shot by the boss while reloading a turret on the front-line, outpost itself was not in danger, several hours of looting just gone, thankfully the game keeps plenty of backup saves so i went back to start of recovery day and did it again.

[Sten]

The risk/reward is a central part of the game. It's a looter shooter. Just like Tarkov if you die you lose what you got. The game made of point of listing it on the store page. It is what it is. You do get a component later with a Drone that lets you put stuff in you keep even if you die, like the secure container from Tarkov. If it's a problem, maybe you shouldn't have got the game. Pretty simple.

[HuX - Nuggi Fisting]

its perfect how it is tbh.

[baddoggs]

I have seen this in quite a few games recently, People seem to want a game
where all you do is wander around and pick up free loot..
Makes you wonder why they buy games like this.

[StellarSkys]

Originally posted by baddoggs:

I have seen this in quite a few games recently, People seem to want a game
where all you do is wander around and pick up free loot..
Makes you wonder why they buy games like this.

to be fair thats what this game is.

with the med bay letting you buy back dead characters, and how cheap the insurance mechanic is on gear items. there is no real risk of ever losing any items.

combine this with the drone and the power converter where you only need to chop down a couple trees to power the drone every round you can send your best pick of look back and never lose anything of value. the game from the outside view looks "high stakes" but its really as soft as it could be while saying death has any attached punishment.

[baddoggs]

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

Originally posted by baddoggs:

I have seen this in quite a few games recently, People seem to want a game
where all you do is wander around and pick up free loot..
Makes you wonder why they buy games like this.

to be fair thats what this game is.

with the med bay letting you buy back dead characters, and how cheap the insurance mechanic is on gear items. there is no real risk of ever losing any items.

combine this with the drone and the power converter where you only need to chop down a couple trees to power the drone every round you can send your best pick of look back and never lose anything of value. the game from the outside view looks "high stakes" but its really as soft as it could be while saying death has any attached punishment.

Yeah, but, people still want a 'free lot" sim. 100% bet within a week
threads like "how do i remove the enemy" or, "how do i get the dev Test
codes" will start. I actually read a post in another forum where one
player stated they were "too afraid to play".. I mean.. It's just a game,
Your not going to get hurt and the only thing you really loose is a bit of time.

[StellarSkys]

Originally posted by baddoggs:

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

to be fair thats what this game is.

with the med bay letting you buy back dead characters, and how cheap the insurance mechanic is on gear items. there is no real risk of ever losing any items.

combine this with the drone and the power converter where you only need to chop down a couple trees to power the drone every round you can send your best pick of look back and never lose anything of value. the game from the outside view looks "high stakes" but its really as soft as it could be while saying death has any attached punishment.

Yeah, but, people still want a 'free lot" sim. 100% bet within a week
threads like "how do i remove the enemy" or, "how do i get the dev Test
codes" will start. I actually read a post in another forum where one
player stated they were "too afraid to play".. I mean.. It's just a game,
Your not going to get hurt and the only thing you really loose is a bit of time.

yeah theres also something to be said that they never really say you can talk to the doctor to get back killed solders, and insurance is never really talked about. so people aren't aware of these things, and people looking at buying won't know them at all.

[baddoggs]

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

Originally posted by baddoggs:

Yeah, but, people still want a 'free lot" sim. 100% bet within a week
threads like "how do i remove the enemy" or, "how do i get the dev Test
codes" will start. I actually read a post in another forum where one
player stated they were "too afraid to play".. I mean.. It's just a game,
Your not going to get hurt and the only thing you really loose is a bit of time.

yeah theres also something to be said that they never really say you can talk to the doctor to get back killed solders, and insurance is never really talked about. so people aren't aware of these things, and people looking at buying won't know them at all.

Yeah, communication, or, lack of seems par for the course from game dev's
these days. I would have bought this already but i dislike the fact you can't
buy the base game and upgrade it. If you bought the original you need to pay
a LOT for a couple of guns and some skins.
I bought "the front" instead, very similar except no zones, you get to "free roam"
the map to grind what you need to build your base to defend against the waves..
It is really good for multiplayer as well.
You can also have your own dedicated server.. No hosting..

[StellarSkys]

Originally posted by baddoggs:

Originally posted by StellarSkys:

yeah theres also something to be said that they never really say you can talk to the doctor to get back killed solders, and insurance is never really talked about. so people aren't aware of these things, and people looking at buying won't know them at all.

Yeah, communication, or, lack of seems par for the course from game dev's
these days. I would have bought this already but i dislike the fact you can't
buy the base game and upgrade it. If you bought the original you need to pay
a LOT for a couple of guns and some skins.
I bought "the front" instead, very similar except no zones, you get to "free roam"
the map to grind what you need to build your base to defend against the waves..
It is really good for multiplayer as well.

yeah honestly kinda wish i got the upgrade myself. not sure why i didn't. kinda sitting on buying a whole new copy and just giving the base game code away or reselling it to make most of the money back.

[Myrm1don]

I sorta like the risk of loss. Certainly effects the importance of what buffs cards you pick along the way. If it didnt matter you would just pick all the the risk cards because you got nothing to lose and only to gain.

Its a progression in itself.

[KnightedWarrior]

Use this, man:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3205690861
Its manual effort, but you can save yourself if bugs or crashes happen.
If you died a good death, you can decide to accept it, or if you died to something stupid like rag dolling out of bounds 1000 miles away from some bug you can reset it with a backup.